How to slim down for Pattaya

[Farangkie]

6 minutes ago, rog555 said:

Thanks.

The video says approx 1 billion people take statins.   1/6 of global population.  Many BMs do I guess.

I am one of them for several years. No side effects as far as I know.

The video claims most of those 1 billion people don't need to take statins as their cholesterol is not way too high.

I will research more.  Thanks.

 

This video just uploaded today, with some interesting info, may help a bit with your research.

Best of luck making the rite decision for you.

 

 

Edited November 21, 2021 by Syco

[Kale]

One of my favorite side effects of going to Thailand is that I always end up slimming down after spending a few weeks there.  It's the icing on the cake.   I think would be pretty slim if I lived there full time.  

Edited November 21, 2021 by Kale

[jed§]

11 hours ago, cutter said:

I really don't want to have to take statins and am trying any other methods first.

I take them and have had no side effects. I take them because they were prescribed by a cardiac specialist after my heart attack. I might have had side effects but I don't know what they are supposed to be from taking them. That's usually a good way to have no side effects from a drug. Look up the 'nocebo effect'

Edited November 21, 2021 by jed§

[jed§]

This is from a website called 'Medsafe the New Zealand Medicines and Medical Safety Devices Authority:-

"The nocebo effect can be influenced by ‘media storms’. Widespread dissemination of concerns about an adverse reaction to a medicine leads to an increase in the number of reports of the adverse reaction. For example, in 2013, British media highlighted the adverse effects, including muscle pains, of statins following an article in the British Medical Journal². An estimated 200,000 patients stopped taking statins within six months of the story being published, many due to adverse reactions. There was also an increase in the number of adverse reaction reports of rhabdomyolysis with statins during this time. This incident has since been attributed to the nocebo effect"

[MarcusS]

It's great for optimism that this thread is alive again. Slimming down normally means I'm going to BKK/PTT in less than three months

[cutter]

22 hours ago, Syco said:

Please do some research before you start taking statins, I was prescribed them for high cholesterol. I had side effects that included brain fog, loss of memory, and worse of all loss of sex drive, so some quite life changing side effects.
I got a second opinion, and the new doctor sent me for a calcium scan, he was happy with the results, and took me off the statins. As soon I stopped taking them, the negative side effects went away.

Here's an interview with a UK cardiologist , and his opinion on statins, it may give you some helpful info in making you decision about taking them or not.

 

 

Thanks for sharing your experience and the video.

I am looking more closely at my diet now and eliminating more sugars that sneak in and saturated fats like potato chips (my weakness).

I have 4-6 beers every couple days and will also try to switch more to wine or liquors with soda.

I'm going on a motorcycle trip up north for a couple months and will test my levels again when I come back to Pattaya. 

[TNTucker]

Stop drinking calories, black coffee is much better than anything with milk and flavoured Soda water fills you up and stops the hunger.  I have used this rule for decades, eat normally, exercise regularly and my weight hasn’t changed from age of 18 to now at 47.

[cutter]

On 21/11/2021 at 14:22, cutter said:

Hi Vedder, I am 50 not overweight, exercise regular, eat well and moderated drinker and was shocked this week when I went for cholesterol check and my cholesterol is through the roof! Total cholesterol is 337 whereas normal is 150-200.

Is your cholesterol normal now? Are you taking anything to keep your cholesterol down?

I just started taking 1,000mg of turmeric as that is supposed to help. 

I really don't want to have to take statins and am trying any other methods first.

 

Update: I just had a major eye opener after watching this video.

This is my summary:

I'm 50 male, lean 187cm and 77kg, healthy and just had my cholesterol checked and my LDL is 266 mg/dl! I was shocked! However, I am intermittent fasting, taking L-carnitine before I workout while fasted. So according to video my LDL is high because I am burning a lot of fat exercising in fasted state and the LDL cholesterol is carrying the triglycerides, which are the storage form of fat, that I need to burn for fuel by exercising while fasted and taking L-carnitine.

My HDL cholesterol is normal

My Triglycerides are normal.

My HbA1c is normal.

My LDL is so high because of my fasting and fat burning it's the good LDL and is normal considering the elevated fat burning state that I am in. I am burning mostly fat as energy so will will  be moving more LDL in my blood to move the triglycerides around .

 

 

Another video explaining why LDL isn't necessarily bad.

 

[Kale]

7 minutes ago, cutter said:

Update: I just had a major eye opener after watching this video.

This is my summary:

I'm 50 male, lean 187cm and 77kg, healthy and just had my cholesterol checked and my LDL is 266 mg/dl! I was shocked! However, I am intermittent fasting, taking L-carnitine before I workout while fasted. So according to video my LDL is high because I am burning a lot of fat exercising in fasted state and the LDL cholesterol is carrying the triglycerides, which are the storage form of fat, that I need to burn for fuel by exercising while fasted and taking L-carnitine.

My HDL cholesterol is normal

My Triglycerides are normal.

My HbA1c is normal.

My LDL is so high because of my fasting and fat burning it's the good LDL and is normal considering the elevated fat burning state that I am in. I am burning mostly fat as energy so will will  be moving more LDL in my blood to move the triglycerides around .

 

Another video explaining why LDL isn't necessarily bad.

A lot of it is genetics.  My Dr told me he has overweight truckers who sit on their ass all day eveyday, eating garbage food, with completely normal cholesterol and others who are vegan and exercise religiously who have really high cholesterol, so lifestyle and diet are not always a factor in cholesterol levels.

Edited November 23, 2021 by Kale

[Farangkie]

2 minutes ago, Kale said:

A lot of it is genetics.  My Dr told me he has overweight truckers who sit on their ass all day eveyday, eating garbage food, with completely normal cholesterol and others who are vegan and exercise religiously who have really high cholesterol, so lifestyle and diet don't necessarily have much to do with it.

My Doc told me the same thing, he said my high cholesterol was likely genetic, and even if I made diet and exercise changes, it probably wouldn't make much difference.

[cutter]

Just now, Kale said:

A lot of it is genetics.  My Dr told me he has overweight truckers who sit on their ass all day eveyday, eating garbage food, with completely normal cholesterol and others who are vegan and exercise religiously who have really high cholesterol, so lifestyle and diet don't necessarily have much to do with it.

Yes, it can be genetics. But if you watch the videos, the people you mention that are vegan and exercise religiously who have really high cholesterol, may very well have the good high LDL cholesterol. 
And the fat truckers may have normal total cholesterol, but have low HDL cholesterol and are diabetic.

I believe that my case though is an example where lifestyle and diet have everything to do with my high LDL cholesterol.

 

[Kale]

7 minutes ago, cutter said:

Yes, it can be genetics. But if you watch the videos, the people you mention that are vegan and exercise religiously who have really high cholesterol, may very well have the good high LDL cholesterol. 
And the fat truckers may have normal total cholesterol, but have low HDL cholesterol and are diabetic.

I believe that my case though is an example where lifestyle and diet have everything to do with my high LDL cholesterol.

 

Nope.  By high cholesterol I am talking high bad cholesterol. Low or normal good cholesterol.  It's often genetics.  There are lots of other reasons to eat properly and exercise and watch your weight, but controlling your cholesterol is not necessarily one of them.  It can't hurt but it often does not help.

Edited November 23, 2021 by Kale

[cutter]

5 minutes ago, Kale said:

Nope.  By high cholesterol I am talking high bad cholesterol. Low or normal good cholesterol.  It's often genetics.  There are lots of other reasons to eat properly and exercise and watch your weight, but controlling your cholesterol is not necessarily one of them.  It can't hurt but it often does not help.

I am finding that the definition of high bad cholesterol is where the debate is in the medical field, as traditionally high bad cholesterol was simply defined as high LDL cholesterol. But the medical field is finding that high LDL cholesterol is not necessarily bad and the definitions are outdated.

[cutter]

3 hours ago, TNTucker said:

Stop drinking calories, black coffee is much better than anything with milk and flavoured Soda water fills you up and stops the hunger.  I have used this rule for decades, eat normally, exercise regularly and my weight hasn’t changed from age of 18 to now at 47.

Ya, I miss my milk in my coffee but switched to black coffee early this year as milk can break my fast. And have recently switched again to matcha tea, even more bitter than black coffee but I'm getting used to it. 
I also like soda water with lime, and only have a splash of diet coke with my sang som soda a couple times a week.
Next challenge is reducing beer as that's my biggest offender for drinking calories.

[jaykao]

9 minutes ago, cutter said:

Next challenge is reducing beer as that's my biggest offender for drinking calories.

Yeah beer and cider is a killer and makes weight loss hard with all those calories. Since I could easily drink many bottles in a night, especially cider, switching to wine helped me a lot.

Dieted quite effectively over the past couple of years, after that change. Grown to prefer wine now too, gone off beer.  

[cutter]

9 minutes ago, jaykao said:

Yeah beer and cider is a killer and makes weight loss hard with all those calories. Since I could easily drink many bottles in a night, especially cider, switching to wine helped me a lot.

Dieted quite effectively over the past couple of years, after that change. Grown to prefer wine now too, gone off beer.  

Ya, I like my red wine also. But after a day on the bike or out in the sun, beer is the go to choice, especially when out with friends. I'm moving towards red wine or hard liquor with soda at home though.
 

I usually limit myself to 4-5 per session every 2-3 days as any more and I get a bit of a hangover the next day. The joys of turning 50.
 

 

[vedder529]

On 21/11/2021 at 18:22, cutter said:

Hi Vedder, I am 50 not overweight, exercise regular, eat well and moderated drinker and was shocked this week when I went for cholesterol check and my cholesterol is through the roof! Total cholesterol is 337 whereas normal is 150-200.

Is your cholesterol normal now? Are you taking anything to keep your cholesterol down?

I just started taking 1,000mg of turmeric as that is supposed to help. 

I really don't want to have to take statins and am trying any other methods first.

 

My cholestrol came back under control after the 6 months. I did not use any medications or any cholesterol lowering weetbix or butters or oils. I researched things as much as I could and found  (for me)

Cholesterol is naturally occuring and most likely my body just has trouble getting rid of it as quickly as most so thats most likely my problem

I was eating a lot of eggs which are for most people not an issue at all but for me with the cholesterol problem I cut right back to 1 to 2 a week and a few egg whites thrown in

I started eating oatmeal as that has been shown to reduce cholestrol

I started to eat more legumes (beans) and got some of those soup mix packets of bean mix and cook them up and add it to my food (cant taste it).

O stopped using coconut oil and just used spray oil (cold pressed olive oil). No canola or any other type.

I cut back on red meat almost all together

 

All these things are cheap, healthy and require no medications and are easy to find. My cholesterol was cut in half after 6 months. Perhaps it was the egg consumption or just adding those other things. I dont know but I was very lean, exercised a lot and did not smoke or drink or have a bad diet and still had high cholesterol. So normal things people do to lower it were not going to work for me.

I would try the oatmeal, be careful with the oils you use and lower the egg yolks and avoid saturated fat (processed food, red meat, butters, coco oil and so on) as much as you can. Whole foods and plenty of fibre to fill you up. Chicken, fish, veg, fruits, yoghurt, tofu, a bit of bread, oatmeal, little bit of pasta or noodles, lots of healthy spices to liven things up.

I bought some turmeric and add that into my curries. I make my own yoghurt (easy to do just look it up) and use that in my curries. I even make my own Indian style flat breads (chickpea flour, bit of wholemeal flour and some turmeric, ginger powder, garlic powder and pour into pan and cook and make 20. use a few and freeze and get them out as I need. Use them for lunch sometimes. Make my own sauce with the yoghurt, avocado and so on and have with chicken and some salad and eat.

chickpea flour again is good for lowering the cholesterol and with all the spices also good. NO need to joina  gym. Do some walking. Get some wireless earbuds and download some podcasts, audiobooks, music and walk and listen. #0 minutes 3 or 4 times a week or more if you can mage it.

I have another bunch of ideas but take what you might think you would like and see. oatmeal is the most important. you can have it with some banana or any fruit, a few nuts, chia seeds, flax seed, coconut, yoghurt etc cinnamon, nutmeg vanilla, protein powder, cooked down pumpkin (cant taste it). soak it overnight and eat in the morning. No need to cook. 

Good luck

here is a pic of me (cropped my head out). It was taken in Philippines a few weeks before I came back to Australia and had my cholestrol checked. it goes to show even your lean it can still be high so my advice is for people to get it checked if your 40 plus. You never know. I was 46 at the time.

 

 

 

[cutter]

12 hours ago, vedder529 said:

My cholestrol came back under control after the 6 months. I did not use any medications or any cholesterol lowering weetbix or butters or oils. I researched things as much as I could and found  (for me)

Cholesterol is naturally occuring and most likely my body just has trouble getting rid of it as quickly as most so thats most likely my problem

I was eating a lot of eggs which are for most people not an issue at all but for me with the cholesterol problem I cut right back to 1 to 2 a week and a few egg whites thrown in

I started eating oatmeal as that has been shown to reduce cholestrol

I started to eat more legumes (beans) and got some of those soup mix packets of bean mix and cook them up and add it to my food (cant taste it).

O stopped using coconut oil and just used spray oil (cold pressed olive oil). No canola or any other type.

I cut back on red meat almost all together

 

All these things are cheap, healthy and require no medications and are easy to find. My cholesterol was cut in half after 6 months. Perhaps it was the egg consumption or just adding those other things. I dont know but I was very lean, exercised a lot and did not smoke or drink or have a bad diet and still had high cholesterol. So normal things people do to lower it were not going to work for me.

I would try the oatmeal, be careful with the oils you use and lower the egg yolks and avoid saturated fat (processed food, red meat, butters, coco oil and so on) as much as you can. Whole foods and plenty of fibre to fill you up. Chicken, fish, veg, fruits, yoghurt, tofu, a bit of bread, oatmeal, little bit of pasta or noodles, lots of healthy spices to liven things up.

I bought some turmeric and add that into my curries. I make my own yoghurt (easy to do just look it up) and use that in my curries. I even make my own Indian style flat breads (chickpea flour, bit of wholemeal flour and some turmeric, ginger powder, garlic powder and pour into pan and cook and make 20. use a few and freeze and get them out as I need. Use them for lunch sometimes. Make my own sauce with the yoghurt, avocado and so on and have with chicken and some salad and eat.

chickpea flour again is good for lowering the cholesterol and with all the spices also good. NO need to joina  gym. Do some walking. Get some wireless earbuds and download some podcasts, audiobooks, music and walk and listen. #0 minutes 3 or 4 times a week or more if you can mage it.

I have another bunch of ideas but take what you might think you would like and see. oatmeal is the most important. you can have it with some banana or any fruit, a few nuts, chia seeds, flax seed, coconut, yoghurt etc cinnamon, nutmeg vanilla, protein powder, cooked down pumpkin (cant taste it). soak it overnight and eat in the morning. No need to cook. 

Good luck

here is a pic of me (cropped my head out). It was taken in Philippines a few weeks before I came back to Australia and had my cholestrol checked. it goes to show even your lean it can still be high so my advice is for people to get it checked if your 40 plus. You never know. I was 46 at the time.

 

 

 

Thanks for the detailed post, much appreciated. 

Sounds like our situations are similar, but you are much farther ahead with the healthy diet.

I will look at adding oatmeal also to the diet.

Also, it sounds like your high LDL cholesterol isn't necessarily bad based on your lifestyle.

[vedder529]

11 hours ago, cutter said:

Thanks for the detailed post, much appreciated. 

Sounds like our situations are similar, but you are much farther ahead with the healthy diet.

I will look at adding oatmeal also to the diet.

Also, it sounds like your high LDL cholesterol isn't necessarily bad based on your lifestyle.

18/6/2019

Cholesterol 6.4

Triglyceride .8

HDL Cholesterol 1.8

LDL Cholesterol 4.2

 

 

19/9/2019

 

Cholesterol 4.4

Triglyceride 1.0

HDl Cholesterol 1.4

LDL Cholesterol 2.5

 

My aim was to not be put on statins or anything else so I was pretty strict with what I did as I outlined and it worked for me.

[cleptomane]

Find a thaigirlfriend obsessed with fitness and healthy diet. Those girls are pro at these things. Just adopt their lifestyle.