best Fish and Chips?

[taylor1975]

I always thought the 99bht fish in Fryday was a bit soggy (not the batter). I don't ever eat it at home so had no comparison. Its cheap and super consistent, so not complaining!

 

He has fish for 150bht (or is it 200?) ...is that more flaky or just the same as the 99 stuff?

[KittenKong]

I always thought the 99bht fish in Fryday was a bit soggy (not the batter). I don't ever eat it at home so had no comparison. Its cheap and super consistent, so not complaining!

 

He has fish for 150bht (or is it 200?) ...is that more flaky or just the same as the 99 stuff?

 

I think the 150B one is the Grenadier. Also known as Hoki or Blue Hake. It is flakier than the Panga/Pacific Dory that is so widely used here, and is nice to eat.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_grenadier

[striderman]

me and soi7 did the taste test with the grenadier and dory

 

 

grenadier left. dory right

 

 

 

 

we were both of the opinion that next time we would both stick to the cheaper option.

[Edge]

me and soi7 did the taste test with the grenadier and dory

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we were both of the opinion that next time we would both stick to the cheaper option.

 

They are completely different taste and texture IMO.

 

I do eat Dory/Pangasius and I've bought it from Tesco/Makro, but because they didn't have anything else much.

It is very water retentive but If it's thawed and dried properly (as Fryday does) then it can turn out OK, only a lot of cooks don't do that and it's a soggy mess.

 

It also depends whether you care what you eat.

Blue Grenadier/Hake are an ocean fish, whereas Dory/Pangasius are river farmed bottom feeding catfish  (farmed = chemicals).

For the sake of 46 Baht I'll stick with the ocean fish at Frydays - I'd go to the Cod but I've found it inconsistent.

 

Dory/Pangasius are certainly cheap and on that basis they are finding their way around the world, including to the UK F&C shops, but there is quite a lot of resistance from those who know what it is.

If you care what you eat read here - 

 

 

 

Cheap cheap fish! The above is an ad (from one of the large supermarket chains in France) for the fish known as Pangas (also called, Pangasius, Vietnamese River Cobbler, Basa Fish and White Catfish, Tra, Gray Sole). It was a reminder to tell you about the dangers of this strange but increasingly popular fish. I learned about them and how they’re raised a while ago on an informative documentary online here:Documentary about Pangas. (which is in French. If you don’t speak French, read below.)

Would the French call it Poisson ou poison?

Industrially farmed in Vietnam along the Mekong River, Pangas or whatever they’re calling it, has only been recently introduced to the French market. However, in a very short amount of time, it has grown in popularity in France. The French are slurping up Pangas like it’s their last meal of soup noodles. They are very, very affordable (cheap), are sold in filets with no bones and they have a neutral (bland) flavor and texture; many would compare it to cod and sole, only much cheaper. But as tasty as some people may find it, there’s, in fact, something hugely unsavory about it. I hope the information provided here will serve as very important information for you and your future choices. Here’s why I think it is better left in the shops (and not on your dinner plates):

1. Pangas are teeming with high levels of poisons and bacteria. (industrial effluents, arsenic, and toxic and hazardous by-products of the growing industrial sector, polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs), DDT and its metabolites (DDTs), metal contaminants, chlordane-related compounds (CHLs), hexachlorocyclohexane isomers (HCHs), and hexachlorobenzene (HCB)). The reasons are that the Mekong River is one of the most polluted rivers on the planet and this is where pangas are farmed and industries along the river dump chemicals and industrial waste directly into it. To Note: a friend lab tests these fish and tells us to avoid eating them due to high amounts of contamination. Regardless of the reports and recommendations against selling them, the supermarkets still sell them to the general public knowing they are contaminated.

2. They freeze Pangas in contaminated river water. Ew.

3. Pangas are not environmentally sustainable, a most unsustainable food you could possibly eat– “Buy local” means creating the least amount of environmental harm as possible. This is the very opposite end of the spectrum of sustainable consumerism. Pangas are raised in Vietnam. Pangas are fed food that comes from Peru (more on that below), their hormones (which are injected into the female Pangas) come from China. (More about that below) and finally, they are transported from Vietnam to France. That’s not just a giant carbon foot print, that’s a carbon continent of a foot print.

4. There’s nothing natural about Pangas – They’re fed dead fish remnants and bones, dried and ground into a flour, from South America, manioc (cassava) and residue from soy and grains. This kind of nourishment doesn’t even remotely resemble what they eat in nature. But what it does resemble is the method of feeding mad cows (cows were fed cows, remember?) What they feed pangas is completely unregulated so there are most likely other dangerous substances and hormones thrown into the mix. The pangas grow at a speed light (practically!): 4 times faster than in nature…so it makes you wonder what exactly is in their food? Your guess is as good as mine.

5. Pangas are Injected with Hormones Derived from Urine – I don’t know how someone came up with this one out but they’ve discovered that if they inject female Pangas with hormones made from the dehydrated urine of pregnant women, the female Pangas grow much quicker and produce eggs faster (one Panga can lay approximately 500,000 eggs at one time). Essentially, they’re injecting fish with hormones (they come all of the way from a pharmaceutical company in China) to speed up the process of growth and reproduction. That isn’t good. Some of you might not mind eating fish injected with dehydrated pee so if you don’t good for you, but just consider the rest of the reasons to NOT eat it.

6. You get what you pay for – and then some. Don’t be lured in by insanely cheap price of Pangas. Is it worth risking your health and the health of your family?

7. Buying Pangas supports unscrupulous, greedy evil corporations and food conglomerates that don’t care about the health and well-being of human beings. They only are concerned about selling as many pangas as possible to unsuspecting consumers. These corporations only care about selling and making more money at whatever cost to the public.8. Pangas will make you sick – If (for reasons in #1 above) you don’t get immediately ill with vomiting, diarrhea and effects from severe food poisoning, congratulations, you have an iron stomach! But you’re still ingesting POISON not poisson.Final important note: Because of the prodigious amount of availability of Pangas, be warned that they will certainly find their way into other foods: surimi (those pressed fish things, imitation crab sticks), fish sticks, fish terrines, and probably in some pet foods. (Warn your dogs and cats and hamsters and gerbils and even your pet fish!)

 

[Wok N Rok]

Best potato variety to make the best fries is the AGRIA potato

can be imported out of China

http://www.weiku.com/Agriculture/buy-agria-potatoes.html

 

Cheers will have a look. The problem here is everybody wants British fish n chip quality for 99 Baht. They can't get it of course they get a bit of dory in hard swollen batter. Moan about it but go back, eat it again because it's dirt cheap.

[nixonsbest]

Cheers will have a look. The problem here is everybody wants British fish n chip quality for 99 Baht. They can't get it of course they get a bit of dory in hard swollen batter. Moan about it but go back, eat it again because it's dirt cheap.

Fridays do a pretty good British/Australian style of f&c for 150/180B, can't remember reading any complaints about his batter!

On the other hand it could be said that restaurant owners over state the price of products to justify charging a higher price.

 

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[grazza2468]

Blue Heeler bar do a good fish n chip BUT an awesome chicken parma to die for ....

Soi Lengkee

cheers will check this out..chicken parmy.

[Pheat]

Cheers will have a look. The problem here is everybody wants British fish n chip quality for 99 Baht. They can't get it of course they get a bit of dory in hard swollen batter. Moan about it but go back, eat it again because it's dirt cheap.

Totally agree you are not going to get British fish n chips quality for 99 Baht in Thailand it is not going to happen

But Frydays is the best value in Patts for FIsh n chips by a mile

[Edge]

Cheers will have a look. The problem here is everybody wants British fish n chip quality for 99 Baht. They can't get it of course they get a bit of dory in hard swollen batter. Moan about it but go back, eat it again because it's dirt cheap.

 

I think at 99 Baht it's a bargain, but you're getting what you pay for.

 

If I get a bad meal I won't go back at all unless I believe things have improved so eg Jolly Friar won't see me again yet - that's not to say that their Dory&Chips isn't good value, but what they served me as Cod was a disgrace.

 

The only place I know which does "hard swollen batter" is the Pig & Whistle, who ought to learn from the plates full of it which go back to the kitchen.

I suspect that they achieve that result by pre cooking battered fish in advance, re battering and re frying it when ordered ...I may be wrong.

 

There are lots of 'secret' batter mixes (google them) but with shelves full of them in the super markets (GOGI seems to be a favourite) there's no excuse for getting it wrong if you know how to cook.....thin or thick is just down to how runny you mix it and you can play around with milk, egg or even Guinness if you want.

The batter is important in good F&C, but for me what's inside it is more important.

 

We had the problem with local potatoes explained by Ian (formerly of Jolly Friar fame) and he soaked overnight (waxy) and blanched (partly pre fried or boiled) I believe.

I still don't get why Soi 7 Seaside can make decent chips and wonder whether crinkle cutting them helps....dunno.

 

The real secret of good F&C in the uk was in having high turnover i.e. long queues down the street, meaning temperatures could be maintained and everything served was freshly cooked.

It's obviously more difficult for non specialist restaurants.

[Ardwell]

Anyone know if Frydays delivers?

[Soi7]

Anyone know if Frydays delivers?

They dont

[Ardwell]

They dont

Cheers bud.

[Edge]

Anyone know if Frydays delivers?

 

No...except to any bar in New Plaza.

 

If you were a regular customer spending a reasonable amount and lived not far away I bet you could work out home delivery yourself though.

[DaoTalok]

Sorry wrong thread - I was looking for fish and french fries.

[striderman]

Totally agree you are not going to get British fish n chips quality for 99 Baht in Thailand it is not going to happen

But Frydays is the best value in Patts for FIsh n chips by a mile

yesterday

 

[dilloss]

yesterday

 

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Only in Pattaya would the fish look like a battered cock, lol.

[Edge]

It seems that Bob Palmer has his Cod supply sorted again.

 

Cod, Chips, Garden Peas plus bread & butter - 210 Baht.

 

 

CC Pangasius/Dory/Catfish also available.

[stickyfingers]

Looks like going to have to try these places as used to go to Jolly Friar as per norm when stayed there last.

 

But looks like better F n C's to be had in town nowadays....

[MikeT]

Anyone realize the difference between Kiss Restaurants old fish & chips compared to the new one? The new one is absolutely shit and more expensive, I dont even know how they can sell it... Either way the old one wasnt that great but still miles better than the new one.

[Edge]

Anyone realize the difference between Kiss Restaurants old fish & chips compared to the new one? The new one is absolutely shit and more expensive, I dont even know how they can sell it... Either way the old one wasnt that great but still miles better than the new one.

 

It will almost certainly all be farmed catfish from the Mekong Delta in Vietnam AKA Pangasius or 'Dory'.

 

It is very cheap compared with Cod, but as with any product there is cheap and even cheaper.

 

I've noticed a few of the budget eateries suffering from low season are paring costs to the bone - maybe that's what Kiss are doing.

[MikeT]

It will almost certainly all be farmed catfish from the Mekong Delta in Vietnam AKA Pangasius or 'Dory'.

 

It is very cheap compared with Cod, but as with any product there is cheap and even cheaper.

 

I've noticed a few of the budget eateries suffering from low season are paring costs to the bone - maybe that's what Kiss are doing.

Yeah they actually changed it quite awhile back probably over a year ago, I used to get it every time when I went to Kiss but now it almost tastes like im eating Tuna and I believe its 180 baht, better off getting it cheaper at a real fish & chips restaurant.

[taylor1975]

we were both of the opinion that next time we would both stick to the cheaper option.

 

oh! .......why?

[davidge]

It seems that Bob Palmer has his Cod supply sorted again.

 

Cod, Chips, Garden Peas plus bread & butter - 210 Baht.

 

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CC Pangasius/Dory/Catfish also available.

Frozen chips!

 

Tinned peas?

 

I'll give it a miss.

[nixonsbest]

One of the worst F&C (and breakfast) would be from Barbie Bar,  I reckon he buys the 49B breaded catfish from BigC, adds some half cooked frozen chips and some left over salad and flogs it off for 150B!

 

 

 

 

 

 

[nixonsbest]

It seems that Bob Palmer has his Cod supply sorted again.

 

Cod, Chips, Garden Peas plus bread & butter - 210 Baht.

 

20150831_122847.jpg20150831_122855.jpg20150831_123146.jpg

 

CC Pangasius/Dory/Catfish also available.

"Wandering through Boyztown today" nice review on T%#D!...How was the ST at Boyztown?