Thai-farang fistfight on WS

[WSTM]

(edited by OP to fix typos and errors)

This is only my 2nd post on this forum, but I have been around Pattaya now for over 6 years. Prior to that 18 vacation trips.

 

All that only means I have seen a few number of Thai-farang fights in my time.

 

Reading the earlier posts, it seems to me that most of the "hey, we should be able to kick their ass" comments have come from 'newbie' posters. That says to me they just have not been around here long enough to know better.

 

My recommendation to all 'newbies' is to pat close attention to the veteran ex-pats.

 

In ALL the Thai-farang altercations I have seen I have never seen a farang come close to winning. Most have ended up bloody and limp on the concrete.

 

1. I was sitting in a restaurant facing Beach Road. Across the road on the beach promenade I saw a Thai ladyboy approach a farang. They chatted for a moment. Then the farang made an obvious gesture that insulted the ladyboy. "Wham, bam, kick, punch" the farang was down and out. Several (more than 7) additional Thais joined the fray playing kickball with the already subdued farang's body. He probably did not feel those kicks until a day afterward because he was already unconscious.

 

2. Another time I was sitting in the same restaurant in the same seat. A group of European guys (about 6) came in and sat at the next table. A few minutes later another caucasian farang, tall. lean, young and strong looking walked past the restaurant with a blond caucasian female. Good looking trim lady. I suspected she may be one of the Russian hookers but I do not know. One of the guys in the group of six inside the restaurant made a comment as they walked past. The lady turned and furiously lashed out with a few comments of her own, then walked on with her male friend. The male friend decided to be a hero and defend her honor.

 

He stormed back to the restaurant and was all over the guy who made the comment, knocking him out of his chair and to the floor. The guy fought back from the floor and soon it was a brawl with marble table tops being knocked over. The Thai woman proprietor came running toward the fray yelling and the affronted girl grabbed her male friend and urged him to stop fighting and leave. He did and they ran off toward WS. The proprietor yelled after them.

 

The couple got no more than 20 feet past the restaurant when several Thai men responded to the proprietor's call and stopped them with kicks and punches. They did not attack the blonde female but they soon had the tall, lean and strong male friend bent over backwards into the bed of a pickup truck as they kicked and punched him repeatedly. He tried to get away, managed to twist his way from the pick-up truck then fell to the ground behind it. The Thais continued to kick him, literally across the road. Several times a car or motorbike screeched to a halt as this went on before them. Eventually (five minutes) the farang lay in a heap on the Breach Road promenade not moving at all. One by one the Thai guys looked at him and decided to leave him alone. He laid there not moving for a few minutes linger, then slowly got up and limped off. His lady friend had taken off running full throttle a long time before.

 

3. Just a few weeks ago I was on WS returning home about 1 am when I saw a crowd of people, many with video cameras. I thought it must be one of those Cowboy magicians with the card tricks. But as I tried to get through or around this crowd I saw that they were watching a young Thai female kicking the shit out of a middle aged farang. She could not have been more the 5ft tall and 42kg. She was furious with him. She was kicking him repeatedly in the head with her bare feet, dancing and feinting boxing style keeping him in a zone where he could not get around her. She already had drawn blood from his nose and was relentless. Then as I watched she got on the side of the head and he went down. Tried to get up and got another foot to the nose. Nobody helping her out. It was one on one, at least to that point. I decide to leave well enough alone and moved on as the fight continued.

 

I could relay more events but the point has been already made. Do not mess with the Thais.

 

Very good post share.I agree 100% Mongo2 from my experience 10 year on Pattaya.

[Mission]

2 days ago I was in Hollywood with my girlfriend and one of her "sisters" when the reasonably big Thai guy sitting beside me suddenly jumped up and threw his barstool at one of the hostess girls and started trying to hit her. Before I knew what I was doing (I was pretty drunk) I grabbed him and put him into an armlock, bent him over and started to march him towards the door. The bouncers then came along and grabbed him off me and took him outside.

I walked back to my table and had free drinks all night courtesy of the management.

 

After thinking about this the next day I realised how stupid I was and that there were only 2 reasons why I didn't end up getting beaten up :

1) He tried to fight a Thai girl not a farang.

2) I didn't actually fight him just restrained him.

 

So sometimes you can get involved in a fight with Thai's but the best thing I learned in 10 years of martial arts training is to never fight anyone unless you absolutely have no other choice.

[Kandinski]

Avoid fighting by any means and have fun, thats all I have to say

[Looter]

Ok I may get accused of incitement here, but this acceptance of 'Thai culture' in this context, along with the cowardly deference to this particular aspect, makes me sick!

 

I suggest that the next time a Falang is attacked by a Thai, as long as it stays one on one, they should leave well alone, only stepping in when the Falang / Thai is unconscious on the floor & unable to defend themselves.

 

However, when a one on one Falang / Thai fight is taking place & many Thai men gang up on the Falang, I implore any surrounding Falang to leap to the DEFENCE of the defenceless party.

 

I'm sorry, but we shouldn't have to put up with this shit. Maybe if the adjacent Thai men, who are so ready to join in the 'bash the Falang' game, knew that a few 220LB fit young guys were ready to defend their fellow 'countrymen', then these fights would never escalate in the first place.

 

Peace.

 

Being from Texas I just have to make the observation that Davey Crockett and few guys from Tennessee jumped to the defense of a couple of outnumbered American settlers vs Mexicans at this little party called "The Alamo"...it worked out pretty much the same way as jumping in on a Thai Gang beat down I would suspect....

 

They do not say "Remember The Alamo" because the Texans and their buddies kicked all that Mexican ass....

[b simpson]

I agree that anyone fighting anywhere is an idiot as they just need to pull out a weapon or their friends join in and your toast, but in Thailand, that goes even more so!!

 

If there is a scuffle I just ignore it, seen too many people get hit with bricks, bottles and other stuff over the years.

 

I would be interested in how the thais would react to two fallangs fighting if they weren't impacting on anyone else. I guess they would simply watch and cheer on?

[UNREALADDICT]

Stay the hell away from fights with thai guys at any price. Loads carry guns and they dont play "nice". There is a reason LOS was never occupied, these guys stick together like glue and dont care about consequences of anything. For fucks sake, look at how they drive motorbikes in traffic LOL

[andrew]

There is a reason LOS was never occupied

Not true.

It wasn't occupied due to skilful policy of Chulalongkorn, which is the only Thai king, who received a title "the Great"(except of Rama 9, of course).

Also, his friendship with Russian tsar Nikolay the Second forced British Empire and France to contain their agressive ambitions towards the Kingdom of Siam.

[lyin_in_bed]

I say let the thai's have this advantage, we go over there fuck their women and get pissed, granted most of us do this politely but in my three visits Ive seen enough fucking farang idiots causing trouble that I say fair play to the thai's. They should stick together and kick the shit out of us, the police are corrupt so they should take advantage of that also. i know i would. If a bunch of thai's came over to my town throwing their money around fucking and drinking and then start giving me lip. Id happily beat the crap out of him with the help of my mates of course

[nighthunter1234]

I saw 2 fights during my last trip and in both cases the guy who started the problems was one of us.

Harassing a girl that makes very clear she doesn't like you should be left alone but these guys started to make trouble and get there ass kicked.

First some girls and later the thai men.

Make love not war thats my motto hehe

[asb79163]

true that. i've had several instances of being ripped off and made of by thai guys, but i can always control myself. it is different when alcohol is involved though. there is a certain perception about aggressive farangs for a reason. and yeah! so many (i think most) know some Muay Thai. it's the national sport and incorporated into all school gym classes.

[pubstud]

Not true.

It wasn't occupied due to skilful policy of Chulalongkorn, which is the only Thai king, who received a title "the Great"(except of Rama 9, of course).

Also, his friendship with Russian tsar Nikolay the Second forced British Empire and France to contain their agressive ambitions towards the Kingdom of Siam.

 

There's only one reason why Siam was not colonized by either the British or the French, who between them had colonized all the surrounding countries, and it had nothing to do with any Thai king. The reason was both Britain and France had their hands full with various colonial wars at the time and neither nation cared to get into another lengthy and costly war over Siam.

 

The British would have invaded from their colonies to the South and the West, and the French would have invaded from their colonies to the North and the East. But these powerful invading forces would have met head on at Bangkok. So who takes Bangkok, the capital, the location of the monarchy and the government? Naturally both the British and the French would badly need to have control of the capital as well as various provinces. And that would have meant a war over control of Siam. Neither nation wanted Siam bad enough to go to war over it, so neither nation made the move.

[DaffyDuck]

What the hell? 1) Why is anybody fighting the local guys? Seems like bad idea, no matter what. 2)Are these guys so out of shape they can't fight a few Thai guys? While it is a really bad idea to do so, come on.My high school football pads weigh more than these guys.Granted I am 6'2 and work out 4 days a week.Still just about anybody of European extraction should be able to pitch a few of these guys across a room.

Wow, you are naïve.

[DaffyDuck]

However, when a one on one Falang / Thai fight is taking place & many Thai men gang up on the Falang, I implore any surrounding Falang to leap to the DEFENCE of the defenceless party.

You first!

 

Seriously, what is it with this thread - have IQs dropped for those of you advocating this? In 99% of such cases, it's the farang's fault, and I'm not going to risk injury or worse, for someone else's mistake.

 

Again, the question "Are you naïve?" comes to mind.

[CatPeeler]

Based on some of the farang behavior I've witnessed first hand, I'd say that many of the ones on the wrong side of a beat down had it coming.

 

Here's a little piece of advice, my friends: You can get drunk in your own country. While traversing a 3rd world country and fucking all their hot women, it's best to always keep your wits about you.

[PawYai]

surely bms are not saying get involved fighting thais ?? oh dear you are either very very foolish,got a deathwish or plain nutts....Please guys think twice three times or more before getting involved with thai men and violence you will not win trust me.

Seen many many thai/farang fights and yes sometimes you think i should help but i am far from home and they take no prisoners...dont get involved enjoy los and go home safe and well not in a wheelchair.

If ever a piece of advice from the mods or expats living in los should be posted its this walk away do not get involved..you could end up dead

[hazze]

 

Here's a little piece of advice, my friends: You can get drunk in your own country. While traversing a 3rd world country and fucking all their hot women, it's best to always keep your wits about you.

 

Good advice

[Limey]

There's only one reason why Siam was not colonized by either the British or the French, who between them had colonized all the surrounding countries, and it had nothing to do with any Thai king. The reason was both Britain and France had their hands full with various colonial wars at the time and neither nation cared to get into another lengthy and costly war over Siam.

 

The British would have invaded from their colonies to the South and the West, and the French would have invaded from their colonies to the North and the East. But these powerful invading forces would have met head on at Bangkok. So who takes Bangkok, the capital, the location of the monarchy and the government? Naturally both the British and the French would badly need to have control of the capital as well as various provinces. And that would have meant a war over control of Siam. Neither nation wanted Siam bad enough to go to war over it, so neither nation made the move.

 

Bang on mate, it simply wasn't worth fighting over, and provided a useful buffer between two colonial powers. Easy peasy for either of them, but not worth the effort. Don't tell the Thais though, they're taught to be very proud of never having been colonised by westerners.

[AceFromNJ]

Here's the problem with farangs pitching in to defend each other. Assuming each farang can handle two Thais: The country has a population of something like 64 million. So unless there happen to be 32 million farangs on holiday at the moment... you're gonna lose. Thai Airways will fly people from all over the country into Pattaya to join the melee for free, probably... If you ever swing on a Thai, never forget, you just started a fight with a whole country. The Brits are the best in the world at the divide and conquer game, look how they handled India... and if they can't pull it off, no one can. PLUS: If you win, against all odds... do you really win? Pattaya isn't that big of a town. If you embarrass or piss off a local thug enough by kicking his ass, who's to say he and his buddies won't figure out where you live and wait outside your hotel to kick your ass or worse? Lots of people here have guns, it's more like the US that way than Europe. Do you have an inherent right to defend yourself? Sure you do... but you do so at your own peril. Sometimes life ain't fair. Although swallowing your pride ain't easy, it goes down a hell of a lot easier than a bullet.

[losworld]

I laughed when i read this. Better than all the chest pounding and testosterone charged crap of internet "hard men". I was a boxer in my youth and any fighter will tell you the easiest people to fight are drunk people. Second easiest are roid munchers. Why anyone fears bodybuilders is beyond me 99% of them have the agility of a slow moving glacier. I have absolutely no interest in fighting these days and would win any fight by 100 yards. The guy in the video should of seen it coming if he was sober he probably would have. Notice the video starts up when the conversation gets bit heated. Whoever shot the video probably knew what was coming. It is the farang that starts pounding on the bar and making a dick of himself. Interestingly the thais had already moved into "position" at this stage.

 

 

Good points. Drunks are not good fighters unless they are exceptionally strong and can grapple. As per bodybuilders probably the same but I too find most of them are nothing but show and the bulk of strength is in the legs and most people look at arms and make a judgement from there.

[andrew]

Bang on mate, it simply wasn't worth fighting over, and provided a useful buffer between two colonial powers. Easy peasy for either of them, but not worth the effort. Don't tell the Thais though, they're taught to be very proud of never having been colonised by westerners.

Haha, the best point one can make when failed to get something - " we didn't really want it", " we didn't even tried hard"

So you suppose Siam was just lucky )) Very, very superficial judgement..Big policy is way to more than that. Have no doubt, IF Siam were "easy peasy" as you said, it would been colonized for sure.

[AceFromNJ]

Stay the hell away from fights with thai guys at any price. Loads carry guns and they dont play "nice". There is a reason LOS was never occupied, these guys stick together like glue and dont care about consequences of anything. For fucks sake, look at how they drive motorbikes in traffic LOL

 

Well said, buddy. And even if you somehow win the fight that night, who's to say you actually won in the long term? Pattaya isn't that big of a town and anyone who wants to track you down badly enough will. You might win the fight, but lose the brawl that happens when that guy and his buddies figure out where you stay and wait for you outside your hotel.

 

Thais aren't violent people by nature, I don't think... except maybe with their women. Most Thais that resort to assault against a foreigner are either on drugs, drunk, or have been disrespected in such a way that violence is not an inappropriate response by their cultural rules. Of course, random street crime is different and happens in all countries. In all my time in Thailand, I've never felt even remotely threatened by a Thai male, probably because I'm not a jackass.

 

Having said that, if I were ever in a situation which I felt might escalate to that level, I'd do whatever I could to calm things down. I think most violent conflicts could have been solved with an apology and a handshake, but sadly, neither party decided to offer it.

[pubstud]

Haha, the best point one can make when failed to get something - " we didn't really want it", " we didn't even tried hard"

So you suppose Siam was just lucky )) Very, very superficial judgement..Big policy is way to more than that. Have no doubt, IF Siam were "easy peasy" as you said, it would been colonized for sure.

 

Either Britain or France could have taken Siam in days, they were both the super powers of the era. Nobody else was in the vicinity, Britain and France had the entire region sewn up between them. Siam was indeed a buffer zone and if either power had of made a move to take Siam totally (they both nibbled away at the extremities of the country) the other would have reacted instantly, and that's called war. As I said in the earlier post both had their hands full at the time with various colonial wars around the world and neither wanted another costly and lengthy war in SE Asia. So neither made the move. That was the sole reason Siam escaped colonization.

[The Game 1690]

As has been said so stupid to go over there and start fights just go to have a good time with the women not cause trouble.

[yorkshireman]

The yobs that visit pattaya To fight the locals are probably the same ones that cause bother at football matches. when you have the choice of shagging dream girls or fighting why would anyone with half a brain chose to brawl and probably end up unable to take advantage of the

Never ending stream of girls you can only dream about at home. You can end up dead here as the thai dont think of the concequences when ryled just not loosing face. You have to be man enough to walk away and live another day .pete

[JasonL]

I have fought and taught people how to fight for over 16 years, but I always preach "avoidance".

 

Avoid conflict, even if it presses on your ego...

 

It will save you a lot of time, trouble, legal and medical expenses.