Busy condo rental agents with websites

[SirL]

31 minutes ago, davidge said:

In Pattaya, you are being extremely generous 

555 on my last trip I paid for part of my AirBnB condo in cash to the agent on my final day [it's a long boring story why], and it did cross my mind whether the owner would ever see the cash I was handing over.  Negotiating for a condo for which you propose paying in cash, some form of bung to the agent in order for recommending a cheap deal could be something which might tempt the unscrupulous (not me of course...)  All the agent has to do is tell the overseas owner the condo was empty, which is the norm these days anyway.

[KittenKong]

On 07/08/2018 at 02:37, SirL said:

All the agent has to do is tell the overseas owner the condo was empty,

Happens all the time here.

[talung66]

On 05/08/2018 at 22:06, SirL said:

I'm looking for busy condo rental agencies with websites full of condos for medium/long term rentals, for example the rentals department at Gecko Properties.  I would be a renter, so I'm not too worried about "service", I just want lots of condo possibilities on a website for me to choose between, after which I'll contact the agencies.

Which are the biggest and busiest condo rental agencies around Pattaya, Jomtien and Pratumnak please? (and their website addresses)

Think your wasting you time as most condos are on many diffrent sites and even agents dont know if there still available.its mostly a hook to get you to any in the complex your intested in.( rarely updated especially hipflat) 

[SirL]

5 hours ago, talung66 said:

Think your wasting you time as most condos are on many diffrent sites and even agents dont know if there still available.its mostly a hook to get you to any in the complex your intested in.( rarely updated especially hipflat) 

With respect, I don't think you know what I'm trying to do, and so you writing I'm wasting my time seems a little out of order.

[Cerberus]

If looking for short-term rentals, including a holiday rental you are far better off contacting those that specialise in such,  Dancewatchers springs to mind but they are not alone in this field  http://www.dancewatchers.com/.

Whilst some Estate Agents state they offer such a service, for the majority it would be low on their list and they may be somewhat slow in updating their listings. Their main service in the rental market is long term, a year +.

So if looking for a short-term/holiday rental, stick with those advertising that as their main service. There are many of such and often they are listed on the condominium notice boards.

[SirL]

28 minutes ago, Cerberus said:

If looking for short-term rentals, including a holiday rental you are far better off contacting those that specialise in such,  Dancewatchers springs to mind but they are not alone in this field  http://www.dancewatchers.com/.

Whilst some Estate Agents state they offer such a service, for the majority it would be low on their list and they may be somewhat slow in updating their listings. Their main service in the rental market is long term, a year +.

So if looking for a short-term/holiday rental, stick with those advertising that as their main service. There are many of such and often they are listed on the condominium notice boards.

I've looked at Dancewatchers website several times, but their prices always seem quite a lot higher than other condos.  Possibly their stock consists of particularly upmarket condos, largely VT6(?), but I've never seen anything that came near to what I was looking for.

I'm interested in ideas of other businesses similar to AirBnB that specialise in bookings for 2-8 weeks several months ahead, but I don't know of any,  apart from expensive ones like Honey and Dancewatchers.  All suggestions of business names/websites gratefully received. 

Wherever a particular condo is being advertised both for AirBnB-style short letting and also for medium term many-months-starting-now letting, that's a big red flag as far as I'm concerned because, supposing you made an AirBnB short booking off in the future, if the agent managed to find a medium term tenant they'd surely not hesitate to cancel your short booking.

The sort of person that wants to book for a few weeks several months ahead isn't usually located in Pattaya at the time of research & booking, and so condo notice boards are impractical.

 

My biggest problem with AirBnBs and condos in Pattaya is the lack of anything resembling a desk to work at.  Ideally I'm looking for something a bit like

[Note large desk or table, comfortable chair to sit in for say an hour, and free-standing flat screen TV I could HDMI my laptop to as a second screen]

This sort of set up is common in hotels, but it seems very rare in Pattaya condos.  Pattaya hotels manage it - this is the Chaiyapoon Inn on soi Bumpy

but it's very difficult to find in Pattaya condos.  The condo selection on AirBnB is quite limited, so I'm interested in medium-term condos just to enlarge the field of possibilities a bit.  Staying > 4 wks isn't a problem for me.

[hioctane]

I've looked at Dancewatchers website several times, but their prices always seem quite a lot higher than other condos.  Possibly their stock consists of particularly upmarket condos, largely VT6(?), but I've never seen anything that came near to what I was looking for.
I'm interested in ideas of other businesses similar to AirBnB that specialise in bookings for 2-8 weeks several months ahead, but I don't know of any,  apart from expensive ones like Honey and Dancewatchers.  All suggestions of business names/websites gratefully received. 
Wherever a particular condo is being advertised both for AirBnB-style short letting and also for medium term many-months-starting-now letting, that's a big red flag as far as I'm concerned because, supposing you made an AirBnB short booking off in the future, if the agent managed to find a medium term tenant they'd surely not hesitate to cancel your short booking.
The sort of person that wants to book for a few weeks several months ahead isn't usually located in Pattaya at the time of research & booking, and so condo notice boards are impractical.
 
My biggest problem with AirBnBs and condos in Pattaya is the lack of anything resembling a desk to work at.  Ideally I'm looking for something a bit like


[Note large desk or table, comfortable chair to sit in for say an hour, and free-standing flat screen TV I could HDMI my laptop to as a second screen]
This sort of set up is common in hotels, but it seems very rare in Pattaya condos.  Pattaya hotels manage it - this is the Chaiyapoon Inn on soi Bumpy

but it's very difficult to find in Pattaya condos.  The condo selection on AirBnB is quite limited, so I'm interested in medium-term condos just to enlarge the field of possibilities a bit.  Staying > 4 wks isn't a problem for me.

Condos are meant to be lived in. The hotel rooms you show are likely executive rooms aimed at the business traveler.

I suggest you consider buying or renting a table to suit your needs.

[SirL]

1 hour ago, hioctane said:

Condos are meant to be lived in. The hotel rooms you show are likely executive rooms aimed at the business traveler.

I suggest you consider buying or renting a table to suit your needs.

My house that I live in has plenty of good-size tables.  Are only executives interested in setting up computer gear on a desk or table?  Don't you have any tables wherever you live?

I somehow don't think the Chaiyapoon Inn (bottom of 3 pics) on soi Bumpy is aimed at the business traveller.  Well, I guess it depends on the nature of the "business".

[hioctane]

My house that I live in has plenty of good-size tables.  Are only executives interested in setting up computer gear on a desk or table?  Don't you have any tables wherever you live?
I somehow don't think the Chaiyapoon Inn (bottom of 3 pics) on soi Bumpy is aimed at the business traveller.  Well, I guess it depends on the nature of the "business".

But you are not home. You are in Thailand renting a Thai style condo. How many Thais do you know work from home, much less have a computer at home? What need would they have to have a table like that? You will need to find a Western decorated condo which is rare. You might need to rent a house a little outside of town that is big enough to be decorated with a big table.

[SirL]

24 minutes ago, hioctane said:

But you are not home. You are in Thailand renting a Thai style condo. How many Thais do you know work from home, much less have a computer at home? What need would they have to have a table like that? You will need to find a Western decorated condo which is rare. You might need to rent a house a little outside of town that is big enough to be decorated with a big table.

Most of the condos I look at seem to be targetting Western renters(?)  They look pretty Western-decorated, I'm not sure that's rare on AirBnB.

All I'm asking for is a 1m x 1m dining table, or ideally a 2m x 1m one, a reasonably comfortable chair that I'd be OK sitting on for an hour, and a flat screen TV not attached to the wall.  The standard furniture pack for The Base condos includes all that, and I was fine in a Base condo last year, but I don't really want to go back to The Base.  I'm surprised that the little list two sentences ago is so rare in the AirBnB listings.

[davidge]

The companies/agents you’re looking for don’t exist.

That’s why Dancewatchers, Honeys etc are so popular - and why AirBnB has taken off in such a big way.

Otherwise, you are looking at small agents largely concentrating on one condo building.

You could look at Jai Dee Mak’s website as his condos are decent. condopattaya-rent.com 

I don’t think the condos at viewtalaycondos.com are generally equipped as you want.

[SirL]

14 minutes ago, davidge said:

The companies/agents you’re looking for don’t exist.  No, I don't think they do.

That’s why Dancewatchers, Honeys etc are so popular - and why AirBnB has taken off in such a big way.

Otherwise, you are looking at small agents largely concentrating on one condo building.

You could look at Jai Dee Mak’s website as his condos are decent. condopattaya-rent.com Just had a look there right now, but nothing that suits me.  Thanks for suggestion.  I would find his offering condos long term worrying as well (even if I had seen something suitable) as I'd be afraid a short booking would be cancelled if a long one came along.

I don’t think the condos at viewtalaycondos.com are generally equipped as you want.

The number of condos and the choice available on AirBnB is actually quite limited, which is why I'm tempted in future visits to adapt my dates to suit a medium term (approx 3 months) booking from the much larger selection of medium term condos available to rent for immediate occupation.  The turn up with just a short hotel booking and find something viewing condos in person approach.

[balooo]

When I rented with Honey I asked them to add desk and office chair and they agree without any problem without surcharge.

I think Dancewatchers do the same.

Honey has very good service but more expensive than Dancewatcher 25/motnh vs 38 month for a studio. 

Never trayed Dancewatchers to say something about their services.

Like the others said already When I tried to rent for 3 month with long term agents no one care my request. 

What I understand, if you are already in pattaya, you can  rent for monthly directly in the office of the buildings and so you can find something cheaper than Dance an Honey but you can't book in advance.

[taylor1975]

The table and chair thing is also a consideration for my month long trips.

I've been in a condo that only had stools, so had to buy a crappy chair for the duration.

As sirL mentioned, the base seem to have them and thats a big plus for me. 

 

[Brad Pitt]

On ‎8‎/‎17‎/‎2018 at 05:31, SirL said:

All I'm asking for is a 1m x 1m dining table, or ideally a 2m x 1m one, a reasonably comfortable chair that I'd be OK sitting on for an hour, and a flat screen TV not attached to the wall.  The standard furniture pack for The Base condos includes all that, and I was fine in a Base condo last year, but I don't really want to go back to The Base.  I'm surprised that the little list two sentences ago is so rare in the AirBnB listings.

Can I ask why you don't want to just go back to the base ?

[SirL]

6 hours ago, Brad Pitt said:

Can I ask why you don't want to just go back to The Base ?

I spent seven weeks in a 35 sq m Base condo with a great southwards view from the 24th floor, about 18 months ago.  Overall I was fairly happy with the place, but

In descending order of importance to me (and remember what people want is personal and subjective):

a) Nearby construction.  The Edge is being built next door, and when complete it will partly block the great view from the roof pool

b) Fairly small rooms.  The 35 sq m room was liveable and OK but not perfect

c) The furniture (particularly the sofa and partly the table and chairs in the room) was passable but not perfect.  Moving the kitchen table to desk layout in front of the TV meant the condo really became a one person place, no lady visitors, which wasn't really what I wanted, so I kept on moving the table back and forwards.  Not enough chairs up around the roof pool.

d) The walk to Second Rd.  It's easy to think the location is great, but that walk all the way around to eg LK Metro is annoying.  I'd like a back entrance.

e) The Chinese short term visitors, who seem to have got worse in the last 18m

f) The price of the Base condos now available on AirBnB isn't as cheap and great value as the Base one I rented, which has now switched to long term tenancy.

g) The southwards view from the room, attached below, is great and well worth living with for a few weeks on a first stay, but after a while you get used to it, so it's not so valuable any more - you've been there and done that and don't value it as much.

There are no real deal killers in this list, they are mainly soft preferences and I could return to The Base, but I much preferred the condo I stayed in 6 months ago, which sadly for me isn't available enough for me to stay in again (it's sort of switched to long term tenancy)

[Brad Pitt]

10 hours ago, SirL said:

I spent seven weeks in a 35 sq m Base condo with a great southwards view from the 24th floor, about 18 months ago.  Overall I was fairly happy with the place, but

In descending order of importance to me (and remember what people want is personal and subjective):

a) Nearby construction.  The Edge is being built next door, and when complete it will partly block the great view from the roof pool

b) Fairly small rooms.  The 35 sq m room was liveable and OK but not perfect

c) The furniture (particularly the sofa and partly the table and chairs in the room) was passable but not perfect.  Not enough chairs up around the roof pool.

d) The walk to Second Rd.  It's easy to think the location is great, but that walk all the way around to eg LK Metro is annoying.  I'd like a back entrance.

e) The Chinese short term visitors, who seem to have got worse in the last 18m

f) The price of the condos now available on AirBnB isn't as cheap and great value as the one I rented, which has now switched to long term tenancy.

g) The southwards view is great and well worth living with for a few weeks on a first stay, but after a while you get used to it, so it's not so valuable any more - you've been there and done that and don't value it as much.

There are no real deal killers in this list, they are mainly soft preferences and I could return to The Base, but I much preferred the condo I stayed in 6 months ago, which sadly for me isn't available enough for me to stay in again (it's sort of switched to long term tenancy)

You make some good points & we've all got basic needs. After that it's just preferences. The 35sq M is a smallish room size for sure. To me a good view is always a plus; I'm a sucker for a sea view!

As for the rest of your points; you could say the same for just about anywhere in Pattaya, construction noise, Chinese short term etc. It's hard to get away from any of these things. :(

[SirL]

2 hours ago, Brad Pitt said:

you could say the same for just about anywhere in Pattaya, construction noise, Chinese short term etc. It's hard to get away from any of these things. :(

Do you actually know the details of the 31 floor block being constructed next to The Base?  IMO it's not the same as anywhere in Pattaya.

Many people think the Chinese issue in The Base is also unusually bad.  Have you read much about it on this forum?

[Brad Pitt]

6 hours ago, SirL said:

Do you actually know the details of the 31 floor block being constructed next to The Base?  IMO it's not the same as anywhere in Pattaya.

Many people think the Chinese issue in The Base is also unusually bad.  Have you read much about it on this forum?

No Sir, I was totally unaware of the issues at the Base. Thanks for letting me pick your mind & the education. Good to be able to come here and expand oneself !

Here is another link w/ photos of condos for sale: https://pattayacondoguide.com/

I don't know how "up to date" the listings are but, it might help in your search ?!?

-Brad

[axunjaxn]

On 8/26/2018 at 03:33, SirL said:

Do you actually know the details of the 31 floor block being constructed next to The Base?  IMO it's not the same as anywhere in Pattaya.

Many people think the Chinese issue in The Base is also unusually bad.  Have you read much about it on this forum?

The Chinese "issue" in the Base is a great issue for the owners renting out units. Most owners are not race conscious or nationality conscious when renting. In fact in many places it is against the law as I feel it should be.

                                                                                                                                                 Jack

[GlobalTraveler]

1 hour ago, axunjaxn said:

The Chinese "issue" in The Base is a great issue for the owners renting out units. Most owners are not race conscious or nationality conscious when renting. In fact in many places it is against the law as I feel it should be.

                                                                                                                                                 Jack

Its not a race issue to complain. Its simply all Chinese creating the problem. Reason one Chinese own 36 condos and rent out via airbnd. Average stay I am told is two days. Hence the elevators are plugged up and stop every 2nd floor. Not fair for the long term renters and owners. There are simply not enough elevators to run  a hotel. Managers are well aware of the short term rentals but let it go because he bought the units for investment. The signs NO DAILY RENTALS are only up to protect there ass if the police shows up.

[taylor1975]

8 hours ago, GlobalTraveler said:

Its not a race issue to complain. Its simply all Chinese creating the problem. Reason one Chinese own 36 condos and rent out via airbnd. Average stay I am told is two days. Hence the elevators are plugged up and stop every 2nd floor. Not fair for the long term renters and owners. There are simply not enough elevators to run  a hotel. Managers are well aware of the short term rentals but let it go because he bought the units for investment. The signs NO DAILY RENTALS are only up to protect there ass if the police shows up.

Apart from the increased movement of suitcases, how does the volume of people-movement vary between a 2 day renter and a month long renter (with regards to elevators)?

And i bet their suitcases aren't that big cus they are all teeny weeny lol 

[SirL]

24 minutes ago, taylor1975 said:

Apart from the increased movement of suitcases, how does the volume of people-movement vary between a 2 day renter and a month long renter (with regards to elevators)?

And i bet their suitcases aren't that big cus they are all teeny weeny lol 

Possibly short term renters squeeze two people into a ~30 sq m condo, whilst longer term renters would only usually have one in the same space(?)  Would two chinese fit into the space of one farang?  The number of people in the building would head towards being doubled.

[taylor1975]

20 minutes ago, SirL said:

Possibly short term renters squeeze two people into a ~30 sq m condo, whilst longer term renters would only usually have one in the same space(?)  Would two chinese fit into the space of one farang?  The number of people in the building would head towards being doubled.

Yeh maybe, but reasonable to expect husband & wife to stay in the same room lol.

I think we've become accustomed to viewing chinese tourists as an excessive inconvenience. I do the same in ibar when its crowded - all these arabs!! what are they doing here?? *insert outrage*

But don't worry, i'll be on here in december, screaming about chinese everywhere at the base 555 

[SirL]

22 minutes ago, taylor1975 said:

Yeh maybe, but reasonable to expect husband & wife to stay in the same room lol.

I didn't write it was unreasonable.  You asked how the volume of people moving would vary, and I stated why it might.