Problem With 90 Day Check In for Retirement Visa

[dave01]

IMHO, it is always a good idea to take a trusty Thai with you when dealing with officialdom...  just makes sense... and gives Mrs Dave a real purpose in life 555

[Edge]

3 hours ago, dave01 said:

IMHO, it is always a good idea to take a trusty Thai with you when dealing with officialdom...  just makes sense... and gives Mrs Dave a real purpose in life 555

The Ex used to come with me and I hadn't got much idea what was going on.
Then I escaped her clutches and had to work it out myself....and no I can't speak Thai.
A lot of it is about preparation, reading up on whatever on Thaivisa then d/l the forms and have everything ready to rock when you hit the front desk.
There's sometimes one copy of something I've forgotten and I might have to pop to the copy shop, but now the Extension folk have their own photocopier and within reason will do it for free.

There used to be a very helpful Brit' named Barry Kenyon working there but I think he retired.
To be fair the girls on front desk do a great job of checking your documents before giving you a ticket, thus filtering out a lot of the ill prepared.
On topic, for the House Master/TM30 I saw a sign immediately to the left and just went in there no ticket.

[Sexyfarangman]

1 hour ago, Edge said:

The Ex used to come with me and I hadn't got much idea what was going on.
Then I escaped her clutches and had to work it out myself....and no I can't speak Thai.
A lot of it is about preparation, reading up on whatever on Thaivisa then d/l the forms and have everything ready to rock when you hit the front desk.
There's sometimes one copy of something I've forgotten and I might have to pop to the copy shop, but now the Extension folk have their own photocopier and within reason will do it for free.

There used to be a very helpful Brit' named Barry Kenyon working there but I think he retired.
To be fair the girls on front desk do a great job of checking your documents before giving you a ticket, thus filtering out a lot of the ill prepared.
On topic, for the House Master/TM30 I saw a sign immediately to the left and just went in there no ticket.

One big problem is that it's very difficult to find anyone anywhere in LOS who can really communicate complex issues in English. That goes for immigration as well. That's why it's so valuable to have a forum like PA where you can get these types of issues addressed by BMs who've had actual experience dealing with them. If I had relied on what I was told at immigration, I would be spinning my wheels right now in total ignorance. 

[Edge]

10 hours ago, Sexyfarangman said:

One big problem is that it's very difficult to find anyone anywhere in LOS who can really communicate complex issues in English. That goes for immigration as well. .................................

Given that you took a Thai with you I can't help wondering how you know how good their English is.
The two girls out front speak excellent English and I've never had any problem communicating with anyone.....you just needed to ask the right person.

The problem with having a Thai with you and this often applies in any shop, restaurant  etc etc just as much as at Immigration, is that as soon as they even see a Thai they speak to them not you and don't even attempt to speak English leaving you in the dark.

PA is great at what it does, but for Visa matters Thaivisa is the go to...you just have to work out whose posts to take notice of.
There are BMs there who know what they're talking about, but also there are Mods/Admin who specialise in the subject and they hit every Visa thread quite quickly.
Also you can download all the forms there and avoid having to mess around filling them in when you get there.

[Sexyfarangman]

33 minutes ago, Edge said:

Given that you took a Thai with you I can't help wondering how you know how good their English is.
 

The Thai immigration officer did speak to me in English when explaining why I needed to purchase a multi-entry visa for 3800 baht. Her English wasn't that good. That is why I called it to the attention of this forum.

[Edge]

Maybe her American isn't that good then, because if it was the lady in the TM30 office I had no problem understanding her or her assistant and vice versa.
The girls out front are even better and very knowledgable.

As I've said before though, best ask the right person.
If you wanted to know about Re-entry Permit requirements  why not walk about 20 metres to the counter which issues them and you'd get the right answer as soon as they looked at your Visa.......just as you would have in this thread if you'd given the right information.....well actually you did get the right answer, quite a while ago.

[Sexyfarangman]

On 21/09/2017 at 12:30, Edge said:

 

As I've said before though, best ask the right person.
If you wanted to know about Re-entry Permit requirements  why not walk about 20 metres to the counter which issues them and you'd get the right answer as soon as they looked at your Visa.......

I didn't know anything about the layout of immigration. Also, I had no reason to suspect that I was getting the wrong information until I brought it up on this forum. Keep in mind that the original problem I had was that my landlord had not filled out the required paperwork. My sole focus was on solving that issue. 

[dragonrider]

On 19/09/2017 at 21:41, davidge said:

Here you go:

It clearly shows on the Visa if it is Multiple entry or Single Entry.

I was told that they are making them all single entry visas now. Probably to make some money as people then have to buy the re-entry visa when they get here.

When I first went to Jomtien to get the Residency letter for the bank, she looked at my visa, shook her head and went to show it to the head guy. I am looking on in concern but she comes back and says no problem. Phew. Apparently the consulate in Vancouver failed to read that memo and gave me a multiple entry visa. Better for me.

[forcebwithu]

10 hours ago, dragonrider said:

I was told that they are making them all single entry Visas now. Probably to make some money as people then have to buy the re-entry Visa when they get here.

When I first went to Jomtien to get the Residency letter for the bank, she looked at my Visa, shook her head and went to show it to the head guy. I am looking on in concern but she comes back and says no problem. Phew. Apparently the consulate in Vancouver failed to read that memo and gave me a multiple entry Visa. Better for me.

She might have been confused about the O-A visa and whether it qualified you to open a bank account.

When I first moved here I tried to open an account at Krung Thai Bank. At one point I had three bank employees gathered around all telling me an O-A wasn't a retirement visa so I couldn't open an account. One then pulled out a book of photo copies of passports of others who successfully opened an account. All of them had an extension to stay which has the word "Retirement" stamped on the page. Keep in mind I was new Thailand, so I was just amazed that these college educated professionals could not be arsed to learn their country's visa categories and only by seeing the word "Retirement" would it trigger acceptance of a new account application.

[Billyboy294]

On 9/19/2017 at 05:26, Insomniac said:

Don't know how they would link this to a 90 day check in. They normally can't wait to get rid of you. In my Immigration office just provide passport and 1 minute later back in car. In fact they always file the TM30 in the bin.

Last time i went to Pattaya Immigration when i asked for my Queue number for 90 day Reporting the girl also handed me a TM30 Form. I had already one filled in just in case, so handed it to the Officer along with my passport. He took it and put in a tray without even looking at it.

[Sexyfarangman]

On 05/10/2017 at 10:54, forcebwithu said:

She might have been confused about the O-A Visa and whether it qualified you to open a bank account.

When I first moved here I tried to open an account at Krung Thai Bank. At one point I had three bank employees gathered around all telling me an O-A wasn't a retirement Visa so I couldn't open an account. One then pulled out a book of photo copies of passports of others who successfully opened an account. All of them had an extension to stay which has the word "Retirement" stamped on the page. Keep in mind I was new Thailand, so I was just amazed that these college educated professionals could not be arsed to learn their country's Visa categories and only by seeing the word "Retirement" would it trigger acceptance of a new account application.

Very surprising because I opened my Kasikorn account in 2011 with  a tourist visa.

[Sa-teef]

Headed off to Jomtien Immigration this afternoon.

Went in at a busy time on Monday, 1:14 pm and there were 22 ahead of me:

But they had three people working desk four and I was outside with my new blue slip stapled in the back; good for another 90 days promptly. No TM30 or questions at all. Total time: 13 minutes.

I lub Jomtien Immigration too mutt, 555.

 

[forcebwithu]

Jomtien immigration is well organized, and the service has always been quick and easy for me too. I'm going to put them to the test on Thursday though. I go to the Embassy tomorrow to pick up my new passport. I'll then have them transfer stamps from old to new, process my extension to stay that expires on 16 Nov, get a multi-reentry permit, and finally a 90 report. I'll also help my landlady out by bringing all the paperwork for the previously filed TM-30 in case my new passport triggers an update to the TM-30.

The trip I'm not looking forward to is out to the Dept of Transport office to renew my five year license and update with my new passport. That's always been at least a couple of hours of waiting around, plus the time to get out there. Question for those that have gone through the renewal process for a five year license before, do you go before or after the expiration date of the license?

[Edge]

32 minutes ago, forcebwithu said:

............................ Question for those that have gone through the renewal process for a five year license before, do you go before or after the expiration date of the license?

Please double check, but as I understand it (and I did it too) not before and you can wait up to a year after expiry, thus gaining free time, plus there's the DoB ploy to consider.

It's on Thaivisa but please check upstairs because the sign I read didn't appear to say that....but it worked OK anyway.

[forcebwithu]

1 minute ago, Edge said:

Please double check, but as I understand it (and I did it too) not before and you can wait up to a year after expiry, thus gaining free time, plus there's the DoB ploy to consider.

It's on Thaivisa but please check upstairs because the sign I read didn't appear to say that....but it worked OK anyway.

Thanks for the info. Think I'll be best served to make the trip out to the Transport office and ask. I'll report back on what they say in a thread suited to driver license matters.

[ex-pat]

How pissed off will they be if they find out I haven't submitted one in 5 years?

[Edge]

1 minute ago, ex-pat said:

How pissed off will they be if they find out I've never submitted a TM30 and have lived here for 25 years?

How pissed off will you be if they fcuk with your application and fine you is perhaps more important?   

Enforcement of the alien registration rules has tightened only recently in response to terrorist activity, so I imagine many people haven't complied for many years and that's why some are confused about it.

[ex-pat]

Just now, Edge said:

How pissed off will you be if they fcuk with your application and fine you is perhaps more important?   

Enforcement of the alien registration rules has tightened only recently in response to terrorist activity, so I imagine many people haven't complied for many years and that's why some are confused about it.

That is a different way of asking the same question. . I had to edit my post - it's actually been 5 years 'cause before that I was on a different visa. Still, they won't be pleased of course. I have to give this some thought. Thanks for the info.

[usexpat46]

1 hour ago, forcebwithu said:

Jomtien immigration is well organized, and the service has always been quick and easy for me too. I'm going to put them to the test on Thursday though. I go to the Embassy tomorrow to pick up my new passport. I'll then have them transfer stamps from old to new, process my extension to stay that expires on 16 Nov, get a multi-reentry permit, and finally a 90 report. I'll also help my landlady out by bringing all the paperwork for the previously filed TM-30 in case my new passport triggers an update to the TM-30.

 

When I picked up my new passport at the US Embassy a few months back they also provided me with a letter to Thai Immigration regarding the transfer of my visa stamp.  When I then went to Jomtien Immigration they took my passport and told me to return the next day which I did and also renewed my retirement extension.  2 day process for me.

[Oukiva]

1 hour ago, ex-pat said:

How pissed off will they be if they find out I haven't submitted one in 5 years?

Edit: Oops. My answer below was about 90-Days while posts above were about TM30. Sorry for the confusion.

You may not have had to submit one... Depends of the Visa you had, and how often you were leaving Thailand.

Standard fine for not/late reporting is 2'000 baht, but up to 5'000.

[Edge]

I know the topic is 90 Day Reporting, but it includes Alien Registration/TM30 regs.
Is that what you're talking about here?
Doesn't the 24 hour reporting requirement apply to all aliens regardless of visa status etc. ?"

Sorry if i misunderstood.......again.   
BTW My Fine was 1600....but maybe I'm different.     

[ex-pat]

44 minutes ago, Oukiva said:

You may not have had to submit one... Depends of the Visa you had, and how often you were leaving Thailand.

Standard fine for not/late reporting is 2'000 baht, but up to 5'000.

There might be some confusion b/c of my thread fukking. I was referring to TM 30. Anyway, I'll talk to my lawyer that smoothed over some issues changing from married-to-Thai to retirement visa years ago

[Billyboy294]

For 90 day reporting now do you need to have Form TM47 plus say an electric bill as evidence of address. Last time i went  the girl handed me a TM30 form. I had already filled one in just in case and the Officer took it but never even looked at it.

For the last 2/3 years i have never been asked for the TM47

A friend on a 30 Day stamp wants to extend for another 30 days. Does he need a TM7  and anything else?

[forcebwithu]

2 hours ago, Billyboy294 said:

For 90 day reporting now do you need to have Form TM47 plus say an electric bill as evidence of address. Last time i went  the girl handed me a TM30 form. I had already filled one in just in case and the Officer took it but never even looked at it.

For the last 2/3 years i have never been asked for the TM47

A friend on a 30 Day stamp wants to extend for another 30 days. Does he need a TM7  and anything else?

A few years back immigration transitioned to a system that generated a receipt for your passport that has a bar code on it. Once you have that, you're golden. No need to complete another TM47, or bring any other docs for the 90 day report. They just scan the bar code and print a new receipt. That, of course, assumes you haven't moved. If you move you need to fill out a new TM47 w/supporting docs.

[Edge]

2 hours ago, Billyboy294 said:

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A friend on a 30 Day stamp wants to extend for another 30 days. Does he need a TM7  and anything else?

As with any Extension he'll need to provide proof of address.

How straightforward that is depends on his circumstances.