China Garden Restaurant - For RENT (New Offer)

[China Garden]

I am classically trained and have experience with Thai , Italian and seafood cuisine. I also specialise in desserts of which decent ones are hard to find in patts

 

There were a few more questions in my above posts if you could answer them when u get the chance I would appreciate it.

 

We have been looking for an investment for a while now and this has a lot of potential. My main concern at the moment though is the practicality of having the family and living space. When we started our search we only had one child which was no problem but with two it changes a lot.

 

On the plus side we both know a lot of people in patts so word of mouth would be good.

 

 

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Thai, Italian (not just pizza's) & Seafood would all work in this location, there are plenty of ex-pats / long stayers for low season and plenty of holiday-makers in High Season, we may not all like the Russian's but thousands of them are staying at the Vogue hotel located at the top of Soi Lengee as well as Koreans. 

 

2 young kids basically means you need a small Thai house, there are plenty around just off 3rd Road for 10,000 Baht per month.

[China Garden]

Why not take that 500,000 and do the Seafood Themed restaurant? Being able to charge by the pound makes your food cost simple to track etc. Just think China Garden put its best foot forward already and it was not a fit for the location? I have 16 plus years restaurant experience but am tied down here in the states with my business. Great opportunity is right!

 

I think a Thai & Seafood is a winner, no one else is doing it locally. I am not suggesting lobsters & oysters (at least not in low season), but whole steamed fish, baby clams, grilled prawns, mussels. 

 

Someone with classical skills could offer western style seafood too, salmon, tuna, mornay, dill sauces.. there are endless options to be honest.  Not everyone likes seafood ? Add as few "Surf n Turf" options or rack of lamb.

 

I spoke to someone yesterday who pointed out rightly the many seafood restaurant over-look the sea such as Walking Street, this is completely true and I dont think you can directly compete with these places ambiance & setting. I do however thing there is a bigger demand for a quality Thai food & seafood then what is currently available in Pattaya, you wouldn't be able to charge as much but your rent and overall costs would be lower! Fish is one of the most profitable proteins in the kitchen, if you keep it fresh in tanks that point is even more poignant. 

 

Personally I feel so strongly that a Thai & seafood restaurant will work that if I haven't found a tenant by 11th May I will carry out the renovations myself, I hope if someone has a good plan for an "alternative" style restaurants they let me know sooner rather then later. I still can't run the restaurant as I am not Pattaya based, but it will then be marketed differently. 

[xymmot]

there are many places that sell many different types of food, only they do not make it as well as Thai.  Seafood restaurant is everywhere.  You just have to weed out the bad ones from the good ones. in fact I think there is too many restaurants in Pattaya.  I know i will never starve out here for lack of restaurants.  Maybe open a great brick oven pizza joint?  Love the one in Cambodia call have {Pizza where the pizzas are magic and they have power.  Wish we can have the herbs in the pizza in Thailand.

 

 

 

 

 

[China Garden]

there are many places that sell many different types of food, only they do not make it as well as Thai.  Seafood restaurant is everywhere.  You just have to weed out the bad ones from the good ones. in fact I think there is too many restaurants in Pattaya.  I know i will never starve out here for lack of restaurants.  Maybe open a great brick oven pizza joint?  Love the one in Cambodia call have {Pizza where the pizzas are magic and they have power.  Wish we can have the herbs in the pizza in Thailand.

 

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"Happy Pizza" in Phnom Penh, now thats a landmark! Unfortunately the Thai's are not so liberated about marijuana, my honest feeling about pizza in Pattaya is its "done to death" even brick-over pizzas, someone may make the best pizza in the world but its going to be an up-hill struggle from day one. Personally I think you need a niche, as you said there are many eateries in Pattaya so how do you stand out from the crowd ? A good Italian or Steak-house restaurant may work well.

 

Luckily with the expansion of LK Metro over the past few year there has been big increase in trade locally, people tend to only walk so far for food, location, location, location.....    

[lanzalad]

ok then how hard would it be to get a falang cock the right visa and work permit to work the kitchen.

 

i ask this as I'm looking to do something my self.. i worked in spain and for the first 12 months i cooked good english food for tourists.

 

we had bbq nights, daily specials, and a sunday dinner.

 

i may be interested in doing something like this if i could get the visa and work permit. 

[China Garden]

ok then how hard would it be to get a falang cock the right visa and work permit to work the kitchen.

 

i ask this as I'm looking to do something my self.. i worked in spain and for the first 12 months i cooked good english food for tourists.

 

we had bbq nights, daily specials, and a sunday dinner.

 

i may be interested in doing something like this if i could get the visa and work permit. 

 

Its probably harder to cook a decent poached egg then get a visa / work permit in Thailand, we already have a Thai company a requirement for any work permit and the necessary licences. You are automatically issued a 12 months "Business Visa" with work-permit, you can work & reside in Thailand perfectly legally (you can only work at the location specified on the permit, unless its a multi-site business such as Tesco's). 

 

We are looking for someone with proven restaurant / chef skills, there are too many Pattaya restaurants putting out "pedestrian style food". Yes, you need cater to your customer needs or your be out of business quickly, but even Fish & Chips can be done property & consistently.  I want to give this fantastic opportunity to someone who has a restaurant but needs a better location, a chef looking to set-up on his own or relocate to Thailand. I need to know the restaurants is in good hands and its something we can both need to be proud of. 

 

Maybe I am being too picky, perhaps I should have taken the rent from the first person who offered and stay quiet (I have had several offers already). Unfortunately I can't do business like that, whatever I am involved in even if not directly must be done to a high standard or not at all.

 

Ian

[jungle bug]

That's a lot of work for £20k a year or even  £40k given its your own investment online and the unknown risks.

[Ru4Real]

...how hard would it be to get a falang cock the right visa and work permit...

 

Guessing it would depend if the falang in question would fit in with the rest of the guys in Boyz Town 

[China Garden]

That's a lot of work for £20k a year or even  £40k given its your own investment online and the unknown risks.

 

Western teachers with are paid 30,000 Baht per month & required to have a degree, I think 100,000 baht + accommodation & food is an amazing deal. Plus I think the restaurant is vastly under-performing and you could easily double your earnings.

 

There is "no investment" the 2 months deposit is basically some minor assurance you dont run off with any of my equipment, I spend 500,000 Baht on a commercial steamer alone!  

 

This is an offer to some "wanting" to move to Pattaya, I am not head hunting one of the world's top chef's. You try and find a better opportunity to relocate to Thailand.

[jungle bug]

 

There is "no investment"

 

I am offering a 3+3 year sub-lease .......You are renting the ground floor restaurant & kitchen for the first 3 years 70,000 Baht rising to 90,000 Baht in the latter 3 years.

 

 

That is quite a long term financial commitment as a liability. If no break clause that is nearly 5.8M B over 6 years liability.

 

Not as though its just a position they can take a salary and walk if things are not going well for them. Its a financial investment in capital and time.

[China Garden]

That is quite a long term financial commitment as a liability. If no break clause that is nearly 5.8M B over 6 years liability.

 

Not as though its just a position they can take a salary and walk if things are not going well for them. Its a financial investment in capital and time.

 

I am amazed at some of these replies, you are suggesting that I could "sue you for 5.8 million baht" , honestly what is you true liability ? The "2 months security deposit", that it.

 

Suing a westerner in Thailand is pretty pointless unless they have assets here, generally they leave the country never to be seen again. Even if the sub-lease didn't contain a "mutually agree-able termination clause" the judge would rule the contract was "unfair" and make a ruling accordingly, after 18 months - 2 years of mediation stipulated by the court we might get a hearing date. I then have to prove my losses which would be mitigated as soon as I found a new tenant, unless your suggesting I would leave it empty. 

 

There are almost "no jobs" for westerners in Pattaya, its not like other countries. If it was most of us wouldn't still be here.

 

The funny thing is, I know if I advertised a "6 month or 12 month lease" I would be criticised for exploiting someone's hard work setting up a business then kicking them out, I am kinda "doomed if I do, doomed if I don't".  

[jungle bug]

I am amazed at some of these replies, you are suggesting that I could "sue you for 5.8 million baht" , honestly what is you true liability ? The "2 months security deposit", that it.

 

Suing a westerner in Thailand is pretty pointless unless they have assets here, generally they leave the country never to be seen again. Even if the sub-lease didn't contain a "mutually agree-able termination clause" the judge would rule the contract was "unfair" and make a ruling accordingly, after 18 months - 2 years of mediation stipulated by the court we might get a hearing date. I then have to prove my losses which would be mitigated as soon as I found a new tenant, unless your suggesting I would leave it empty. 

 

There are almost "no jobs" for westerners in Pattaya, its not like other countries. If it was most of us wouldn't still be here.

 

The funny thing is, I know if I advertised a "6 month or 12 month lease" I would be criticised for exploiting someone's hard work setting up a business then kicking them out, I am kinda "doomed if I do, doomed if I don't".

 

Oh really?

 

 

The 50,000 Baht was for a "western chef" from the UK, we dismissed him shortly after and sued him for breaching his contract which we won

 

You seem to know what you are doing on the legal side in Thailand and 'won' (as you put it) before.

[China Garden]

Oh really?

 

 

You seem to know what you are doing on the legal side in Thailand and 'won' (as you put it) before.

 

Yes  I am a "businessman" and as such I know what I "can and cant do" in the country I live & operate a businesses in. Everything stated above is correct thus your insinuation I could sue someone for "5.8 million baht" is incorrect even if you choose not to admit the fact. I applaud your efforts to discredit a genuine offer, it must have been difficult to find an angle to attack such a transparent and open proposition.

 

Having operated numerous businesses in Pattaya over the past 8 years, having sold 5 businesses in Pattaya all of which are "still open"(Love Nail, Futureplay (inside Tuk Com), Le Katai, Jolly Friar, LoneStar). Being active on this very forum responding to both constructive criticisms & praise of those businesses over the years I think people will already have made up their mind "how I do business" so personally I think your barking up the wrong tree.

[Cerberus]

Yes  I am a "businessman" and as such I know what I can and cant do in the country I live & operate a businesses in. Everything stated above is correct thus your insinuation I could sue someone for "5.8 million baht" is incorrect even if you choose not to admit the fact. I applaud your efforts to discredit a genuine offer, it must have been difficult to find an angle to attack such a transparent and open proposition.

 

This is a very transparent, well thought out business opportunity, indeed one of the best I have seen placed on this forum. It appears to me to be a great opportunity for someone with limited assets who is prepared to work hard and is looking for a chance to live in Thailand.

 

You will always get those making puerile comments which add nothing to the thread, the art is to learn to ignore them, normally they have little of value to say and most BMs can see that. I for one believe that with application this could be a very profitable endeavor and wish you luck with finding the right person. 

[China Garden]

This is a very transparent, well thought out business opportunity, indeed one of the best I have seen placed on this forum. It appears to me to be a great opportunity for someone with limited assets who is prepared to work hard and is looking for a chance to live in Thailand.

 

You will always get those making puerile comments which add nothing to the thread, the art is to learn to ignore them, normally they have little of value to say and most BMs can see that. I for one believe that with application this could be a very profitable endeavor and wish you luck with finding the right person. 

 

 

Thank you, I am meeting with someone to discuss the options next week!  It's looking like a "Steak House" @ China Garden.

[JAI DEE MAK]

This is a very transparent, well thought out business opportunity, indeed one of the best I have seen placed on this forum. It appears to me to be a great opportunity for someone with limited assets who is prepared to work hard and is looking for a chance to live in Thailand.

 

You will always get those making puerile comments which add nothing to the thread, the art is to learn to ignore them, normally they have little of value to say and most BMs can see that. I for one believe that with application this could be a very profitable endeavor and wish you luck with finding the right person. 

 

+1

 

JDM

[jungle bug]

Yes  I am a "businessman" and as such I know what I "can and cant do" in the country I live & operate a businesses in. Everything stated above is correct thus your insinuation I could sue someone for "5.8 million baht" is incorrect even if you choose not to admit the fact. I applaud your efforts to discredit a genuine offer, it must have been difficult to find an angle to attack such a transparent and open proposition.

 

Having operated numerous businesses in Pattaya over the past 8 years, having sold 5 businesses in Pattaya all of which are "still open"(Love Nail, Futureplay (inside Tuk Com), Le Katai, Jolly Friar, LoneStar). Being active on this very forum responding to both constructive criticisms & praise of those businesses over the years I think people will already have made up their mind "how I do business" so personally I think your barking up the wrong tree.

 

Offering a 'fruitful' opportunity to a fellow Westerner in Thailand is an applaudable endevaour. I would certainly hope is indeed 'fruitful' for both parties - you and them.

 

There is no hostility or should be viewed as any type of attack but merely personal views that add value for others to consider. You can then eloquently dismiss the points and this provides further thought for those involved in the project to consider. Surely a 'win-win' situation.

 

I'm sure you will add in the contract amicable exit options with reasonable break term clauses - if you believe they can not be enforced then no harm adding them.

 

I wish you and them the best of look in the venture. A steak house or seafood restaurant are two of my personal favourites that would certainly merit a visit on my behalf!

[China Garden]

Offering a 'fruitful' opportunity to a fellow Westerner in Thailand is an applaudable endevaour. I would certainly hope is indeed 'fruitful' for both parties - you and them.

 

There is no hostility or should be viewed as any type of attack but merely personal views that add value for others to consider. You can then eloquently dismiss the points and this provides further thought for those involved in the project to consider. Surely a 'win-win' situation.

 

I'm sure you will add in the contract amicable exit options with reasonable break term clauses - if you believe they can not be enforced then no harm adding them.

 

I wish you and them the best of look in the venture. A steak house or seafood restaurant are two of my personal favourites that would certainly merit a visit on my behalf!

 

Thank you, I will defiantly ensure the contract has mutually agreeable "cancellation clauses".  

[lanzalad]

Its probably harder to cook a decent poached egg then get a visa / work permit in Thailand, we already have a Thai company a requirement for any work permit and the necessary licences. You are automatically issued a 12 months "Business Visa" with work-permit, you can work & reside in Thailand perfectly legally (you can only work at the location specified on the permit, unless its a multi-site business such as Tesco's). 

 

We are looking for someone with proven restaurant / chef skills, there are too many Pattaya restaurants putting out "pedestrian style food". Yes, you need cater to your customer needs or your be out of business quickly, but even Fish & Chips can be done property & consistently.  I want to give this fantastic opportunity to someone who has a restaurant but needs a better location, a chef looking to set-up on his own or relocate to Thailand. I need to know the restaurants is in good hands and its something we can both need to be proud of. 

 

Maybe I am being too picky, perhaps I should have taken the rent from the first person who offered and stay quiet (I have had several offers already). Unfortunately I can't do business like that, whatever I am involved in even if not directly must be done to a high standard or not at all.

 

Ian

 

Now Ian why would you say "there are too many Pattaya restaurants putting out pedestrian style food"

 

now if you have a Chinese style restaurant and your not going to let the person who may take over you business offer passing trade the food that is called for in Pattaya no one will make any money.

 

like you said before with the le katai restaurant that worked so well for you and your other business partners.

 

So if your a business man and like you have said the China Garden doesn't get the trade that it should and it need remodelling, my guess would be that the menu needs to suit the customers and passing trade.

[altec123]

+1

 

JDM

+2

[China Garden]

Now Ian why would you say "there are too many Pattaya restaurants putting out pedestrian style food"

 

now if you have a Chinese style restaurant and your not going to let the person who may take over you business offer passing trade the food that is called for in Pattaya no one will make any money.

 

like you said before with the le katai restaurant that worked so well for you and your other business partners.

 

So if your a business man and like you have said the China Garden doesn't get the trade that it should and it need remodelling, my guess would be that the menu needs to suit the customers and passing trade.

 

I just cant do it! I cannot put the business in hands of someone who has no serious experience of running a professional kitchen. I agree the cuisine we offer needs to be re-invented or completely changed, that can only be done by a professional. Someone without that expertise would be doomed to failure and I dont want to apart of that nor should anyone else. 

[China Garden]

Thank you for all your interest in my business however after discussing various options with several interested parties we have decided to keep the business. We will be closing the China Garden restaurant for renovations on the 11th May & re-open as "Steak & Co." in June. 

 

I have hired a European manager to operate the business for me & our chef's will be re-trained by a western chef who is currently working for a 5 Star hotel in Bangkok. The plan is to offer "domestic & Imported Australian" beef in a comfortable air-conditioned restaurant with an emphasis on "value for money & quality".

[lanzalad]

Good luck Ian

 

but i just can't help but wonder if a theme type food venue would work for your location.

 

i still think it would be better pointed at the passing foot trade that walks past and see's a good deal and every day western food.

 

there's not as much money in pattaya as they was a few years ago, so why try something that may not work.

 

Well al the best.

[China Garden]

Good luck Ian

 

but i just can't help but wonder if a theme type food venue would work for your location.

 

i still think it would be better pointed at the passing foot trade that walks past and see's a good deal and every day western food.

 

there's not as much money in pattaya as they was a few years ago, so why try something that may not work.

 

Well al the best.

 

Most of my Pattaya friends are also business owners, "ALL" have reported an earlier then usual on-set of "low season", this extends to Jomtien as well. There were significantly less people in Pattaya this April last year, several of my friends are were promoting low season offers well before Songkran.

 

I agree that with girls increasing their prices many people are trying to economise on accommodation & food which is understandable, as already stated we will put an emphasis on "value for money" and offer "domestic beef (Thai/French)". The other little offering I have up my sleeve is that we are going to price the steaks, side-orders & sauces separately, someone on a budget can order just a Thai rib-eye steak & 1 side-dish. Someone sat next to him may be having imported Angus steak with a couple of sides, bearnaise sauce & glass or two of red wine, the price will be different but the "presentation on the plate, the cooking & environment will be the same"..... just because the steak is cheap doesn't mean it can't be cooked properly which unfortunately has been my experience in Pattaya.

1. Dont cook a steak straight from the fridge
2. Marinate tougher cuts of meat
3. Trim the meat removing excess fat
4. Dont use cold pans / grills
5. Season your steak 
6. Ensure your grill is up to temperature to get the caramelization (charring) 
7. Check the internal temperature for do-ness  
8. Rest the steak for half the cooking time 

These rules can be applied to cooking any quality of beef. 

 

We intend having a lunch-time menu with burgers, salads & a few other lighter meals.... 

[China Garden]

This is what I mean about presentation, our steaks will be severed in a "warm" cast iron skillet.  Inside the skillet maybe a 200 Baht steak or a 600 Baht steak, but both will be cooked and severed properly in a nice air conditioned restaurant.