anyone want a one year old Bangkeaw?

[Edge]

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i have pitbulls and manage alone just fine.

 

should they get into the fight in the open in the park, is a perfect opportunity for them to sort it out between themselves .....................................

 

If you have 2 Pitbull bitches (you haven't said bitches?) in full Alpha Female mode as opposed to normal scrapping, then I'm surprised you bring them both back alive. I am only talking about the Alpha Female problem and none other which may well be solvable, but to quote you back - "Whatever"

 

PS - It's definitely spelt LaaMok.

[LaaMok]

When dogs get like that it is quite often because they don't get enough exercise. Do you take them for walks? If you have two dogs then you should be taking them for walks together. If not, then start by going on some long walks with both, but you'll need another person to hold onto the leash of one dog and you the other. Whenever they snap at each other you both need to "correct" that by giving them a sharp kick in the arse to let them know that's not ok. Once you've walked them together long enough they'll build trust for each other again. To tire them out, maybe get a treadmill at home and tie them onto the treadmill and force them to walk themselves. That'll work the built up tension out of them as well. Otherwise, you can only have one dog. But it is a shame to have to give one up.

 

 

you have a tough situation on your hands, desexing would definitely help, but it does take time to kick in.

 

taking them for walks is a great idea, this way they can release the energy, taking them twice is even better-morning and evening.

 

the problem is you have there is fight for dominance, which is hard but you can try to deal with it by asserting your leadership and making them both "equal"

 

when they try to have another fight, grab them both by the neck and hold them down firmly at the same time.and that needs to be done each and every time. also look for signs of start, ie before they start to fight, there will always be some sign like a growl, or tail movement or something like that, this is when you must step in.

 

i would try the walks, if you live in pattaya, let me know and i can show you an awsome park to take them, have no people or other dogs or cars there, large area, have a lake and they can run free, swim, chase some cows, roll in the mud and whatever else they desire.

 

would be shame to have to put her down,if no one takes her, i already have 3 dogs and 4 cats, so no room for more.

 

i take mine out to the park every morning and late afternoon, the dynamic has changed dramatically, they all very calm now, never fight., happy to share the leadership(take turns) and most of all sleep for most of the time.

 

 

I'm sorry guys but walking them at the same time is not an option, these dogs want to kill each other, I don't think anyone understands what this means.... they are at it at the fence. Last week I tied one up and I took the other one past it on the lead, they both went for it and struggled so much, one got loose and a fight broke out.

 

Im certainly not grabbing them by the necks in full fight mode, its too close to their teeth, I dont mind tugging them away, but they go straight back to fighting, the only option I have is to pick one up and kick the other one away until she gives up.

 

Whenever I go in the other part of the garden, the dog locked in the opposite side tries her best to get out. It wont be long before one jumps over. They seriously hate each other, I got no sleep again last night due to them both squaring up at the metal gate again.

 

As Edge pointed out, it was my fault for getting 2 bitches, never ever had a problem before like this with two bitches.

 

They have scars over face and legs from the fighting now.

[Edge]

I'm sorry guys but walking them at the same time is not an option, these dogs want to kill each other, I don't think anyone understands what this means.... they are at it at the fence. Last week I tied one up and I took the other one past it on the lead, they both went for it and struggled so much, one got loose and a fight broke out.

 

Im certainly not grabbing them by the necks in full fight mode, its too close to their teeth, I dont mind tugging them away, but they go straight back to fighting, the only option I have is to pick one up and kick the other one away until she gives up.

 

Whenever I go in the other part of the garden, the dog locked in the opposite side tries her best to get out. It wont be long before one jumps over. They seriously hate each other, I got no sleep again last night due to them both squaring up at the metal gate again.

 

As Edge pointed out, it was my fault for getting 2 bitches, never ever had a problem before like this with two bitches.

 

They have scars over face and legs from the fighting now.

 

I'm not on here to argue, but I think anyone who thinks you can train or exercise your way through this hasn't experienced the problem.

 

Hitting them doesn't work, they are crazed and if they feel the pain at all they think it's coming from the other dog.

 

Before, I've tried submerging them in a cattle trough until they're almost drowned, but as soon as they recover they go at it again.

 

You must be getting seriously close to that trip to the Temple.

It sounds harsh, but those dogs at Big Buddha Mountain don't go hungry you know.

 

 

 

[softlad]

Since having the baby, the bangkeaw has gone on heat and she is attacking the other female dog in the house, I've had to seperate them, but they are getting nastier and nastier. I can't tolerate it anymore, they got at each other by accident last night and today, they were at it through the gap in the door.

 

She is such a lovely dog and normally licks everyone, its just that she is not getting on with the other dog. I was going to wait to get her desexed as I suspect its the hormones making her crazy with the other dog.

 

To make it worse she got out the other day and was fucked by a dog, so she now has to have an injection, but with her hormones rushing around the place, that might be difficult.

 

I've had to split up four real nasty fights now, and i've hurt both of them doing it. Neither of them bite me, they are both faithful dogs.

 

If I dont find a home, Im going to have to get her put down or something.

 

I've had sleepless nights and listening to growling for 2 weeks now, been in a real bad mood cuz of it.

 

I took this video tonight, shes a lovely dog

 

[softlad]

got 4 american bulldogs myself what i would try is neut the lesser alpha bitch.

feed and greet the alpha bitch first.

this will enforce hierachy between them.

not a overnight job hormones need to settle

when introducing them together muzzle them to prevent injuries to both dogs

good luck

[Wolf Cat]

My 11 month old bangkeaw was in heat a few weeks ago, I tried to put her in the back of the house where the washing machine is and she tore it apart trying to get out. I had to chain her to a heavy rock in the garden using a choke chain and lock the Thai male mix dog in the 2nd bathroom, and they both cried, barked, howeled all hours of the day and night for 4 days, they nearly drove me crazy. Thankfully she's out of heat and all is back to norm.

Next up, get the Thai male cut, then they can do what ever they want in her next heat.

Edited October 12, 2011 by Wolf Cat

[Alotonzerpz]

You have no idea what you are talking about and how to rain a dog or a pack.

 

But anyway continue i really despise people who are not willing to learn and to find a way

instead of taking the easy way out and giving away or putting down there "loyal friend"

 

Give me a break

[Edge]

You have no idea what you are talking about and how to rain a dog or a pack.

 

But anyway continue i really despise people who are not willing to learn and to find a way

instead of taking the easy way out and giving away or putting down there "loyal friend"

 

Give me a break

 

Are you here to educate us, sell a training machine, or just take a pop at everyone in every thread you post in?

 

 

 

[Wolf Cat]

Are you here to educate us, sell a training machine, or just take a pop at everyone in every thread you post in?

+1

indeed, looking at his previous posts he's here to take pot shots at BMs

Edited October 12, 2011 by Wolf Cat

[LaaMok]

I'm not on here to argue, but I think anyone who thinks you can train or exercise your way through this hasn't experienced the problem.

 

Hitting them doesn't work, they are crazed and if they feel the pain at all they think it's coming from the other dog.

 

Before, I've tried submerging them in a cattle trough until they're almost drowned, but as soon as they recover they go at it again.

 

You must be getting seriously close to that trip to the Temple.

It sounds harsh, but those dogs at Big Buddha Mountain don't go hungry you know.

 

I can't get her put down or dump her at the temple, I don't have it in me. However keeping her locked up at the back is doing her no favours, she could eventually become a dangerous dog not being socialised, so I need to do something, segregation is only a short term fix.

 

 

got 4 american bulldogs myself what i would try is neut the lesser alpha bitch.

feed and greet the alpha bitch first.

this will enforce hierachy between them.

not a overnight job hormones need to settle

when introducing them together muzzle them to prevent injuries to both dogs

good luck

 

I am seriously hoping that the hormones will settle and fix it, however I think its more than that. I did try that technique, I've done extensive reading on it, but it only makes them more angry being in the middle of them.

 

You have no idea what you are talking about and how to rain a dog or a pack.

 

But anyway continue i really despise people who are not willing to learn and to find a way

instead of taking the easy way out and giving away or putting down there "loyal friend"

 

Give me a break

 

Your clearly not capable of reading, I've tried and things are worse, some people would have got her out the house by now, I'm holding on to her. I love my dogs but its a situation that can't seem to get better, its getting worse by the day. The best thing for her, is to find a new home, I've always let my dogs have 100% of the garden and its cost me money in the past and it creates problems, but I like to give them freedom, surely she is better with a whole garden to range around someone elses house and not mine.

[LaaMok]

I just checked Alotonzerpz posts and wondering how he slipped the net. 3 abusive posts and one selling gym equipment. Posts removed and banned. (apart from post in this thread)

[Edge]

I can't get her put down or dump her at the temple, I don't have it in me. However keeping her locked up at the back is doing her no favours, she could eventually become a dangerous dog not being socialised, so I need to do something, segregation is only a short term fix.

 

I am seriously hoping that the hormones will settle and fix it, however I think its more than that. I did try that technique, I've done extensive reading on it, but it only makes them more angry being in the middle of them.

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I know you haven't got it in you to drop her at the Temple. Even a miserable hardened ex pig farmer might find that difficult, but I do understand the pressure you and GF must be under.

 

The hormones will settle and no doubt the onset of heat and the fact that the young bitch even got a shag will undoubtedly have incensed the other bitch, who previously thought she was the Alpha Female.

 

Things may calm down, but my opinion is that you will be sitting on a time bomb. You still won't dare keep them together and with a baby/toddler about, a random outbreak such as you've seen whilst you're not around is the last thing you need.

 

Having tried to re-home the 2 half breeds I had, I haven't got any good ideas I'm afraid. You can just about give away puppies, but nobody seems to want adults.

If her conformation is good enough, a Bangkeaw breeder might take her on, but then she's into the puppy farm business. If you wanted to try that, there's one on the left as you come in, between Thepprasit and Pattaya Tai, or ask the puppy seller in Soi Buakhao market on Friday

 

It's a pity if some readers here think this is a problem dog. I'm sure she'd make a really good pet and guard dog for the right person.

Maybe TTT could home her temporarily to get you out of trouble. She'd be fine with his male Pitbull I reckon.

 

 

 

[Wolf Cat]

If her conformation is good enough, a Bangkeaw breeder might take her on, but then she's into the puppy farm business. If you wanted to try that, there's one on the left as you come in, between Thepprasit and Pattaya Tai, or ask the puppy seller in Soi Buakhao market on Friday

 

 

What ever you do, please stay away from the farm breeders. They lock the dogs in small cages, let them live in their own piss and shit and give zero enjoyment for the dogs. The farm breeders look at the dogs like money, and how to exploit more money and more profit off them, no mater how inhumane.

If your bitch is in heat, chain her up for the 2 weeks, don't condem her to a lifetime of hell.

 

I wish you and her the best

[Wedders]

Is this a breed thing? I've had Labrador, Mastiff, Newfoundland and Chow bitches for the last 30 years, sometimes three at the same time, and there hasn't been a single occasion when one of them has so much as looked funny at another dog, male or female. I remember when a Yorkie growled at my current Mastiff when she was about 12 months old (but already weighed around 50 kgs), and she immediately rolled on her back in submission. Looked hilarious.

 

I never picked a puppy (or an older dog) that wouldn't happily let me take food out of its bowl in mid-meal, or even a bone out of its mouth. Believe me, it's the best test going for temperament, current and future.

 

Yet despite that they have all been excellent guard dogs, making the right noises, when someone looks like invading their territory.

 

So I always wonder whether there's a lot you can do with a dog that's genetically programmed to try to dominate. If there is, it would certainly take a lot of time and effort. Good luck - as a single dog in a family with no kids, yours might be just fine, LaaMok. Hope it works out.

Edited October 14, 2011 by Wedders

[uan]

http://www.caliach.com/clients/mas/index.html this website that is run by friend and i help him, sure he would help but maybe some donation. he has over 100 dogs in kennels, the place is immaculate, his vet bill last month was 71k. he has 10 rai of land in chantanaburi where others roam free. he has a male bankeaw, he had him snipped and he is ok. maybe if you had her neutered now, vets dont like doing it as it messy and a lot of blood but can be done, may slow her down a bit and her hormones. the sancutuary has 20-30 of males and bitches roaming around together no problems, my pit bull stays there when i go home and loves the place. i am looking for another female to be his mate but dont want an aggressive dog, my last one i had to give away a few weeks ago as she nipped a Thai on a motor bike who used to like kicking her for fun when he went past. of course there all around the house and i ended up paying 3k for coarse of rabies jabs for the scum, and thats what that family are.

 

i rehomed a few easliy on TV forum, maybe more chance on there. as you know not many will put dogs down, and i dont know any that will put down a healthy dog, budda and all that.

 

best of luck not easy i know. only one alpha male here and that the 80 year old in the pic, thye can be trained to get on in packs

Edited October 15, 2011 by uan

[Edge]

Bump!

 

How's it going - any quieter?

[Lok Jit]

I may be old fashion but when I was a youngster on a Farm I had 26 Hunting dogs at one time together..My Dad always told me to let them fight it out..Never go between them..One may die or get seriously hurt but Nature would prevail..One was always the clear winner and none ever died...They eventually knew who was in charge and learned quickly there pecking order..

 

No Vet around then so the loser would eventually heal up...I had to let them fix the problem as they do in the wild..

 

Must be a giant strain on your lady and new baby as well as Neighbors...

[Edge]

I may be old fashion but when I was a youngster on a Farm I had 26 Hunting dogs at one time together..My Dad always told me to let them fight it out..Never go between them..One may die or get seriously hurt but Nature would prevail..One was always the clear winner and none ever died...They eventually knew who was in charge and learned quickly there pecking order..

 

No Vet around then so the loser would eventually heal up...I had to let them fix the problem as they do in the wild..

 

Must be a giant strain on your lady and new baby as well as Neighbors...

 

That is of course the natural way and the vanquished, if they survive, have the option to blend back into the pack and not challenge again.

 

The Alpha Female problem is especially difficult here because there are only the two bitches, so there's nowhere to run and hide.

 

Even so, if one was inclined, letting them fight it out might resolve it, one way or another. I just don't think Laamok is up for that though.

 

As you say, with a new baby they could well do without the hassle.

 

It probably would make a damn good dog for someone, with a male or on its own.

 

 

 

[shorty438]

I was a professional dog trainer in the US before I came to Pattaya. If you are still having the problem, I can sort it out for you in a couple of hours. email [email protected]

[Hamlet]

OHH !! What a Cutie !...just like a teenager...Looks cute But a PIA !! ; /

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_Bangkaew_Dog

 

mine looks like this

 

[scubaadiver56]

Laamok. Your dog looks great man. I had many female shepards togethers years ago and had no problems. I wonder if it's the breed. I'm concerned for you little one, don't wait too long, play safe.

 

She a nice looking dog....

[McFly]

I didn't read this thread. But you could always get her 'fixed' at the vet.