anyone want a one year old Bangkeaw?

[LaaMok]

Since having the baby, the bangkeaw has gone on heat and she is attacking the other female dog in the house, I've had to seperate them, but they are getting nastier and nastier. I can't tolerate it anymore, they got at each other by accident last night and today, they were at it through the gap in the door.

 

She is such a lovely dog and normally licks everyone, its just that she is not getting on with the other dog. I was going to wait to get her desexed as I suspect its the hormones making her crazy with the other dog.

 

I've had to split up four real nasty fights now, and i've hurt both of them doing it. Neither of them bite me, they are both faithful dogs.

 

If I dont find a home, Im going to have to get her put down or something.

 

I've had sleepless nights and listening to growling for 2 weeks now, been in a real bad mood cuz of it.

 

I took this video tonight, shes a lovely dog

 

[gonesamui]

I hope you find an adoptian family for her soon.

[Le prof]

Hope you find somebody , good luck !

I had a bankeaw and I had to give it away...too naughty , ate all trees and flowers around the house , ate my new shirt (1600 baht !!!), ate the seat from bicycle...

[Goanna]

Do Bankeaw taste ok. Any recipes?

[LaaMok]

They just had another fight, I thought the metal gate was ok, but they are biting each others heads through the fence. It took a few minutes to split them up, if i wasnt there... what is my gf meant to do.

 

I need her gone asap... feel like killing her, Im that angry, I'm not that sort of person. I took my baseball bat out there and I managed to stop the fight without having to kick them both. I simply put it under one of there back legs and pulled her away.

 

 

Hope you find somebody , good luck !

I had a bankeaw and I had to give it away...too naughty , ate all trees and flowers around the house , ate my new shirt (1600 baht !!!), ate the seat from bicycle...

 

I dont mind that, its only money.

 

Do Bankeaw taste ok. Any recipes?

 

Your welcome to it.

[mokum]

They just had another fight, I thought the metal gate was ok, but they are biting each others heads through the fence. It took a few minutes to split them up, if i wasnt there... what is my gf meant to do.

 

I need her gone asap... feel like killing her, Im that angry, I'm not that sort of person. I took my baseball bat out there and I managed to stop the fight without having to kick them both. I simply put it under one of there back legs and pulled her away.

 

 

 

 

I dont mind that, its only money.

 

 

 

Your welcome to it.

 

Sorry to hear about things not working out with the Bangkeaw,mine one has had some issues aswell but let him socialize with other dogs,walking him many times and take him out to the beach or park..Maybe can try some tricks which u can find online and especially when you just had a baby dogs can be nasty but there are some ways you can prevent it..Hopefully the situation get soon better for you,your family and the bangkaew of course...

[LaaMok]

Sorry to hear about things not working out with the Bangkeaw,mine one has had some issues aswell but let him socialize with other dogs,walking him many times and take him out to the beach or park..Maybe can try some tricks which u can find online and especially when you just had a baby dogs can be nasty but there are some ways you can prevent it..Hopefully the situation get soon better for you,your family and the bangkaew of course...

 

Ive just put wire mesh across the fence, took me 3 hours, but unless these hormones change her things are going to get worse, no one wants to go around the back of the house to see her. They have lost trust in her, I know she is fine, but I am scared that without being able to socialise she will be worse. Getting her out the house past the other dog will be an issue too. When they are at it the collars don't even seem to hold them back.

[raybrooks]

Cute as puppies are they not?

[Guiness]

hi laamok, are chance of a photo of the dog, i dont think i heard of that breed,

 

thanks!

Edited October 5, 2011 by Guiness

[LaaMok]

hi laamok, are chance of a photo of the dog, i dont think i heard of that breed,

 

thanks!

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_Bangkaew_Dog

 

mine looks like this

 

[LaaMok]

I just took a video ten minutes ago, my phone is uploading it, so its a little slow 280 mb 3 minutes.

[peter.storm]

Good luck with that mate, I have one, they are lovely dogs. So loyal and very protective of their masters.

[LaaMok]

Good luck with that mate, I have one, they are lovely dogs. So loyal and very protective of their masters.

 

I totally agree, the metal fence has wire mess over it now, and I have black plastic on there too so they cant see each other. I am alot more happier now. However she still needs to go, I wont be putting her down, I was just very angry, fed up and frustrated.

 

I was just playing with her in the house, and shes still the same. Never had a dog so loyal and affectionate.

[LaaMok]

[LaaMok]

anyone else, only had one enquiry so far

[raybrooks]

Far too many animals end up being given away / abandoned / put to sleep etc because their owners didn't think it through. Very saddening. UK kennels are overflowing with Mastiffs, Staffies and Rotties because normal people don't want them and the tattooed yobs that bought them can't handle them. If people stopped buying them people would stop breeding them. They're great until they rip your neighbours kids face off.

 

A dog is for life, not just for Christmas.

[LaaMok]

Far too many animals end up being given away / abandoned / put to sleep etc because their owners didn't think it through. Very saddening. UK kennels are overflowing with Mastiffs, Staffies and Rotties because normal people don't want them and the tattooed yobs that bought them can't handle them. If people stopped buying them people would stop breeding them. They're great until they rip your neighbours kids face off.

 

A dog is for life, not just for Christmas.

 

Are you saying that I could train them to get along? I don't give up easily, all the damage caused.. no problems. But when two dogs don't get on like this, there is no choice. They are getting more crazy with each other at the fence.

[Edge]

Far too many animals end up being given away / abandoned / put to sleep etc because their owners didn't think it through. Very saddening. UK kennels are overflowing with Mastiffs, Staffies and Rotties because normal people don't want them and the tattooed yobs that bought them can't handle them. If people stopped buying them people would stop breeding them. They're great until they rip your neighbours kids face off.

 

A dog is for life, not just for Christmas.

 

Sorry, but I think you're way off the mark with that general analysis in this case.

 

I'm sure the dog is fine and would present no great problems to a new owner, as long as it's kept solo or with a male.

 

What Laamok has run into is quite a common problem that many of us don't foresee when we bring in another dog i.e it is Laamok's mistake, but lots of us make it.

 

It is all about the Alpha Female syndrome HERE most dramatically exhibited in wolf packs.

 

The status of the alpha is often achieved by means of superior physical prowess, though it can also be determined by social efforts and building alliances.^[1] The individual in the alpha position usually changes when another challenges it to a fight, in some species to the death, and wins. Consequently, alphas may have to fight individuals in their own group several times to maintain their position throughout their lifetimes. In species where the fight is to the death, alphas rarely reach old age.

Lots of us choose bitches rather than dogs because they are generally more loyal, clean and affectionate. If you want two dogs, what could be better than two bitches and no worries about sex etc (between the dogs ).

With many docile breeds you will get away with it, but pitching in two Rottweiler, Terrier, Bangkeow etc etc i.e. any bitches of a strong breed is likely to end in problems.The only time I've got away with it 100% is with mother and daughter, where there is a pre ordained pecking order.

It does not mean that this bitch will run around attacking other dogs or people. It's because she has been put in the same territorial space as another Alpha Female and it's a win or lose situation between them. She has no choice.

If someone is interested, but concerned, I would suggest they take her on trial and my prediction is that you'll have no problem at all - as long as you don't have another bitch.

[Edge]

Are you saying that I could train them to get along? I don't give up easily, all the damage caused.. no problems. But when two dogs don't get on like this, there is no choice. They are getting more crazy with each other at the fence.

 

You have no chance whatsoever of "training" two Alpha females to get along IMO.

 

You might be able to calm things down a bit with drugs (for the dogs ) but at some point it will all kick off again.

 

The only way the two can live together is if one of them gives in and accepts being the Sub, but unless you're prepared to let them fight it out (possibly to the death) and pay the resultant Vets' bills you won't find that out.

[Balla055]

When dogs get like that it is quite often because they don't get enough exercise. Do you take them for walks? If you have two dogs then you should be taking them for walks together. If not, then start by going on some long walks with both, but you'll need another person to hold onto the leash of one dog and you the other. Whenever they snap at each other you both need to "correct" that by giving them a sharp kick in the arse to let them know that's not ok. Once you've walked them together long enough they'll build trust for each other again. To tire them out, maybe get a treadmill at home and tie them onto the treadmill and force them to walk themselves. That'll work the built up tension out of them as well. Otherwise, you can only have one dog. But it is a shame to have to give one up.

[PH Lodge]

you have a tough situation on your hands, desexing would definitely help, but it does take time to kick in.

 

taking them for walks is a great idea, this way they can release the energy, taking them twice is even better-morning and evening.

 

the problem is you have there is fight for dominance, which is hard but you can try to deal with it by asserting your leadership and making them both "equal"

 

when they try to have another fight, grab them both by the neck and hold them down firmly at the same time.and that needs to be done each and every time. also look for signs of start, ie before they start to fight, there will always be some sign like a growl, or tail movement or something like that, this is when you must step in.

 

i would try the walks, if you live in pattaya, let me know and i can show you an awsome park to take them, have no people or other dogs or cars there, large area, have a lake and they can run free, swim, chase some cows, roll in the mud and whatever else they Desire.

 

would be shame to have to put her down,if no one takes her, i already have 3 dogs and 4 cats, so no room for more.

 

i take mine out to the park every morning and late afternoon, the dynamic has changed dramatically, they all very calm now, never fight., happy to share the leadership(take turns) and most of all sleep for most of the time.

[mokum]

you have a tough situation on your hands, desexing would definitely help, but it does take time to kick in.

 

taking them for walks is a great idea, this way they can release the energy, taking them twice is even better-morning and evening.

 

the problem is you have there is fight for dominance, which is hard but you can try to deal with it by asserting your leadership and making them both "equal"

 

when they try to have another fight, grab them both by the neck and hold them down firmly at the same time.and that needs to be done each and every time. also look for signs of start, ie before they start to fight, there will always be some sign like a growl, or tail movement or something like that, this is when you must step in.

 

i would try the walks, if you live in pattaya, let me know and i can show you an awsome park to take them, have no people or other dogs or cars there, large area, have a lake and they can run free, swim, chase some cows, roll in the mud and whatever else they desire.

 

would be shame to have to put her down,if no one takes her, i already have 3 dogs and 4 cats, so no room for more.

 

i take mine out to the park every morning and late afternoon, the dynamic has changed dramatically, they all very calm now, never fight., happy to share the leadership(take turns) and most of all sleep for most of the time.

 

 

Unfortunately i cant take her in aswell, already have 1 rottie,1 bangkaew and 1 chihuahua so i have a full house aswell but i really suggest the long walks if you have the time for it..

 

I walk my dogs 3 times a day but i am quite interested in this dog park, where is this about, in Pattaya Center or Darkside?>

[PH Lodge]

Unfortunately i cant take her in aswell, already have 1 rottie,1 bangkaew and 1 chihuahua so i have a full house aswell but i really suggest the long walks if you have the time for it..

 

I walk my dogs 3 times a day but i am quite interested in this dog park, where is this about, in Pattaya Center or Darkside?>

 

its in pattaya tai, off theparsit road, soi 7, deep inside, little hard to explain as its rather an uninhabited area, pm me if you like and may be we can arrange to meet, so i can show you the place.

 

Lamook, sorry to hijack the thread

[Edge]

When dogs get like that it is quite often because they don't get enough exercise. Do you take them for walks? .......................................

 

you have a tough situation on your hands, desexing would definitely help, but it does take time to kick in.

 

taking them for walks is a great idea, ..........................................

 

We can each only speak from our own experience and if you haven't experienced the Alpha Female thing you can't really appreciate what it means.

I seriously doubt that you can train them out of it.

 

One of them has to give in and be a Sub, or die.

 

Taking them for long walks, especially off the lead, is risky as the fight is likely to spark off away from you where you can't control it. Taking them for lots of long walks on two leads involving separate people is often not practicable and anyway, the tension between them may just build up. Bear in mind that the owner has a new baby so there are other priorities.

 

I'm not trying to sound like a S(mart) A(rse) honest injun, but in the UK I did keep/breed at various times over 50 dogs. It's nice to make encouraging noises, but false hope is pointless.

 

I've had 5 dogs here, 2 of which were half Bangkeaw bitches. The fights started at about 6 months old. I let them both have litters and then had them both speyed.

It didn't make any difference to the Alpha Female problem whatsoever, but I was lucky in that one of them would usually submit, provided the other pulled out, though I think it was only a matter of time before the fights would have gone the distance. I could not keep them together or let them be together unsupervised. Eventually a Thai neighbour took them both on, thinking she could solve the problem, but in the mayhem they turned on her other dogs and two of her Yorkies died of their injuries. Suffice to say that the 2 Bangkeaw bitches duly made the trip to the Temple - separate Temples hopefully.

 

I experienced the problem twice in the UK and had friends who also had it. It is a breed thing. Greyhounds and Whippets weren't often a problem, but Terriers and Rottweilers etc were definitely that way inclined.

 

As I said before, you could leave them to fight it out, but the best thing is to re-home her ASAP.

[PH Lodge]

We can each only speak from our own experience and if you haven't experienced the Alpha Female thing you can't really appreciate what it means.

I seriously doubt that you can train them out of it.

 

One of them has to give in and be a Sub, or die.

 

Taking them for long walks, especially off the lead, is risky as the fight is likely to spark off away from you where you can't control it. Taking them for lots of long walks on two leads involving separate people is often not practicable and anyway, the tension between them may just build up. Bear in mind that the owner has a new baby so there are other priorities.

 

I'm not trying to sound like a S(mart) A(rse) honest injun, but in the UK I did keep/breed at various times over 50 dogs. It's nice to make encouraging noises, but false hope is pointless.

 

I've had 5 dogs here, 2 of which were half Bangkeaw bitches. The fights started at about 6 months old. I let them both have litters and then had them both speyed.

It didn't make any difference to the Alpha Female problem whatsoever, but I was lucky in that one of them would usually submit, provided the other pulled out, though I think it was only a matter of time before the fights would have gone the distance. I could not keep them together or let them be together unsupervised. Eventually a Thai neighbour took them both on, thinking she could solve the problem, but in the mayhem they turned on her other dogs and two of her Yorkies died of their injuries. Suffice to say that the 2 Bangkeaw bitches duly made the trip to the Temple - separate Temples hopefully.

 

I experienced the problem twice in the UK and had friends who also had it. It is a breed thing. Greyhounds and Whippets weren't often a problem, but Terriers and Rottweilers etc were definitely that way inclined.

 

As I said before, you could leave them to fight it out, but the best thing is to re-home her ASAP.

 

 

no doubt you have an extensive experience and not only when it comes to dogs.

 

i have pitbulls and manage alone just fine.

 

should they get into the fight in the open in the park, is a perfect opportunity for them to sort it out between themselves without injuring anyone or breaking the house.

 

they fight even more because they are locked up in the house and have excessive energy which needs to be released.

 

they both are also jealous about the new born baby and naturally get less attention.

 

i do not believe that 2 dogs raised in home with love, can not be re-trained, but as i said you certainly have a huge experience and

 

knowledge, so will leave it up to the owner to decide what option he likes to try.

 

no doubt rehoming is a faster and easier option.

Edited October 12, 2011 by PH Lodge