MMA

[rainmaker]

is anyone into mma, such as UFC? and the other smaller fighting organisaitons.im sure alot of ppl would know what mma is by now as it has gained more exposure over the years.heres a highlight reel, for the ppl who dont know what ufc is.

[bodifunk1]

yeah i love my martial arts period

 

i like watching the ufc

but........theres always a but

they are trying indirectly to promote brazilian jujitzu

Royce Gracie started it.... and the rest that have followed have done alot of ground tech.

There was a fight with a guy who practised chow gar kung fu

and he knocked out his opponent in 10 seconds, it was an but you never heard of him again

 

I have a belief that some guys who study the arts of one strike/ death are not allowed in the competion

 

but its still great to watch

[Panudate]

Matrix used to do it.

[papa_soda]

Yea im a big fan.Mostly K1 but i do enjoy watching UFC & Pride.Im a big fan of Melvin Manhoef the Dutch fighter.

[ROIDFREAK]

I am an MMA Pro. Have fought in events such as Cage Rage in London, Extreme Fighters,etc.

ANyone who can prove their worth in pother events such as jujitsu,wrestling/muaythai,etc are usually considered if they hold some titles/ are put forward by other fighters/coaches. Those so callled 1 touch death arts not being allowed to enter is bullshit-they simply dont enter cos they get their asses whipped!lol.

Ill be fighting Cage Rage after I return from training in thailand in April, just talked to Dave Odonnel, the promoter yesterday. Thailand's best MMA training camp is where I train, called Tiger Muaythai and MMA in Chalong, Phuket. The camp is awesome, has a full size cage, 3 twins rings,rolling matted floor, weights gym nearby, everything. Almost a copy of the UFC training centre. I'm lucky they sponsor me. Owner's an American named Will Macnamara and the MT trainers are thai. The MMA is taught by several different trainers brought in from all over the world and change every few months. MMA is growing in LOS and there are fights held in Phuket. Hopefully should get some fights qhen Im there soon.

[ROIDFREAK]

Yea im a big fan.

Mostly K1 but i do enjoy watching UFC & Pride.

Im a big fan of Melvin Manhoef the Dutch fighter.

 

Melvin Manhoeff is awesomne, I know him personally, fights out of Mike's Gym. He is great fun to watch, I was cageside when he fought Cyborg in Wembley, the best fight Ive ever seen, anywhere. They both ko'd eachother but Melvin landed on top and woke up first so he won!lol

[papa_soda]

Melvin Manhoeff is awesomne, I know him personally, fights out of Mike's Gym. He is great fun to watch, I was cageside when he fought Cyborg in Wembley, the best fight Ive ever seen, anywhere. They both ko'd eachother but Melvin landed on top and woke up first so he won!lol

That fight with Cyborg is 1 that i never get tired of watching.

The guy is 100% entertainment, top notch fighter.

Shame about Big Bad Thompson Is he still on the circuit?

[Ding Dong]

i watch every UFC event, and watched the PRIDE. I liked pride more

 

 

roidfreak which events have you participated in?

[ROIDFREAK]

That fight with Cyborg is 1 that i never get tired of watching.

The guy is 100% entertainment, top notch fighter.

Shame about Big Bad Thompson Is he still on the circuit?

 

Yeah, Melvin is the MMA version of Mike Tyson, pure adrenaline and relentless attacks from the start, i dont ever recall watching him even bother blocking, he just fires a continuous barrage of strikes like a machine gun..

 

I havent seen James Thompson for about 6 months. He's actually a really funny guy. Not funny for the opponent in the other side of a cage with him though,lol..He's 6 foot five and weighs about 300 pounds-lean so alot of power there.

It's hit and miss with him. He had a really tough intro into Pride when he fought Alexander Emelienko, Fedor's brother. Was thrown right in at the deep end there. He's entertaining to watch but more of a brute force purely ground n pounder than a well balanced technical fighter. He challenged Bob Sapp a while back, wouldve been an interesting fight, 2 elephants against eachother..lol

[papa_soda]

Yeah, Melvin is the MMA version of Mike Tyson, pure adrenaline and relentless attacks from the start, i dont ever recall watching him even bother blocking, he just fires a continuous barrage of strikes like a machine gun..

 

I havent seen James Thompson for about 6 months. He's actually a really funny guy. Not funny for the opponent in the other side of a cage with him though,lol..He's 6 foot five and weighs about 300 pounds-lean so alot of power there.

It's hit and miss with him. He had a really tough intro into Pride when he fought Alexander Emelienko, Fedor's brother. Was thrown right in at the deep end there. He's entertaining to watch but more of a brute force purely ground n pounder than a well balanced technical fighter. He challenged Bob Sapp a while back, wouldve been an interesting fight, 2 elephants against eachother..lol

Thompson V Sapp now that would be entertaining My money would be on Sapp even if he has no skill.

Still cant believe sapp has victories over Ernesto Hoost another of my Favourite Dutch fighters(Along with Remy).

Now KIMBO V SAPP would be a funny fight to watch

[ROIDFREAK]

Thompson V Sapp now that would be entertaining My money would be on Sapp even if he has no skill.

Still cant believe sapp has victories over Ernesto Hoost another of my Favourite Dutch fighters(Along with Remy).

Now KIMBO V SAPP would be a funny fight to watch

 

Yeah, I would tend to go with Sapp, he's so strong that he's unorthodox. Somethings just dont work on him, like a double leg takedown attempt-did you see that when Nogueira tried it and Sapp pile drived him for real? I Dont know how he beat Hoost, seriously had to be lucky punch due to Sapp being an awkward/unpredictable fighter and arms the size of an elephants legs. Ernesto Hoost is class. Also another dutch guy, Valentjin Overheem-I like watching him and Gilbert Yvel fight too.

I think Sapp would go through Kimbo very fast, especially if he got him on the floor. would be hilarious to watch.

[papa_soda]

Yeah, I would tend to go with Sapp, he's so strong that he's unorthodox. Somethings just dont work on him, like a double leg takedown attempt-did you see that when Nogueira tried it and Sapp pile drived him for real? I Dont know how he beat Hoost, seriously had to be lucky punch due to Sapp being an awkward/unpredictable fighter and arms the size of an elephants legs. Ernesto Hoost is class. Also another dutch guy, Valentjin Overheem-I like watching him and Gilbert Yvel fight too.

I think Sapp would go through Kimbo very fast, especially if he got him on the floor. would be hilarious to watch.

I felt knackered just watching that fight between Sapp & Minotaure.Hand it to Sapp he lasted alot longer than most people thought against the Legend Minotaure.

But the fight that sticks in my mind & i still watch the HL is Ray Sefo v Bob Sapp.

Sefo took him to school.At the end i felt quiet sorry for Sapp.

So can you see anyone taking Fedors Crown?

Sapp v Nogueira http://www.dailymotion.com/tag/Fighting+pr...s-bob-sap_sport

Edited November 25, 2007 by Kenshi

[rainmaker]

nice, a mma fighter on the boards. how long u been fighting for roidfreak?

[ROIDFREAK]

Ive been training since age of 6 in various martial arts, hold 6 blackbelts.Lived in Canada for 10 years and trained with the likes of Steve"Nasty Anderson" and Harold Howard of UFC 3 fame,competed alot in the states too. Cambe back to London 9yrs ago and continued competing here. Have fought in Cage Rage, Extreme fighting, Many different kickboxing shows and am the current British Heavyweight Sanshou Champion (Sanshou is a mix of thaiboxing mixed with wrestling/judo fought on a four foot high platform where you can throw your opponent off.) Have fought in Europe, Eindhoven in Holland was great fun.

Have been a professional for about 8 years now, will be fighting in the April 2008 Cage Rage in London when I return from training in Thailand (get to stay there for 3 months at a time )

I train a mixture of Pankration with a Greek guy in Enfield named Mickey Pappas who runs the Wingjitsu Academy and team Titan MMA fight team and Brazillian jujitsu with a guy named Eddy Kone, who is the representative for Royler Gracie in Europe. In Thailand my camp is Tiger MT and MMA in Chalong Phuket where Ill be going back end of Jan to train and hopefully fight MMA/MT in Patong and Bangla Stadiums.

I can grapple submit just as much as strike but I love the stand up, nothing like winning by a K.O..submissions are technical but boring to watch.

 

The picture in my avatar is me choking a guy in one of my Cage Rage fights.

[ROIDFREAK]

I felt knackered just watching that fight between Sapp & Minotaure.Hand it to Sapp he lasted alot longer than most people thought against the Legend Minotaure.

But the fight that sticks in my mind & i still watch the HL is Ray Sefo v Bob Sapp.

Sefo took him to school.At the end i felt quiet sorry for Sapp.

So can you see anyone taking Fedors Crown?

Sapp v Nogueira http://www.dailymotion.com/tag/Fighting+pr...s-bob-sap_sport

 

Yeah, Ray Sefo is a technician, although he has the size and strength advantage, Sapp just doesnt have the same skill level or technical knowledge as Sefo.

I dont know who can beat Fedor, Cheik Kongo and him would be good, also Pedro Rizzo would be a good fight for him.His teacher Marco Ruas si my favourite all time fighter, completely equal skills standing or on the ground and absolutely lethal in them all. I remember watching Kevin Randleman suplex Fedor on hid head, thinking he'd broken Fedors neck-I though he'd killed Fedor but then Fedor got back up and knocked Randleman out-unbelieveable. Fedor is a member of the Russsian special forces, tough as nails those guys. I fought an ex Spetznaz, russian special forces unarmed combat instructor and their will power not to give up is incredible.

[Mr.DreamTransport]

yeah i love my martial arts period

 

i like watching the ufc

but........theres always a but

they are trying indirectly to promote brazilian jujitzu

Royce Gracie started it.... and the rest that have followed have done alot of ground tech.

There was a fight with a guy who practised chow gar kung fu

and he knocked out his opponent in 10 seconds, it was an but you never heard of him again

 

I have a belief that some guys who study the arts of one strike/ death are not allowed in the competion

 

but its still great to watch

Your talking about the Dim Muk, or death touch. They have experts out there on pressure points, and believe that the death touch is possible and would be directly related to pressure points, but they still have people that are extremely knowledgeable in that area that do compete in full contact competition. They would never allow such things to be used in MMA, as this isn't the movie Bloodsport we are talking about. Most people that compete in these sports have the capability of killing someone anyways, but thats not what the sport is about. I wrestled in high school, boxed in my early 20's and even studied MMA ata Gracie school in Florida, most of the things that are meant to disable can most certainly kill or seriously injure. Seldom will you see even so much as a broken limb in these sports because people show restraint. They fight to win, not to kill, its as simple as that.

[ROIDFREAK]

With regaqrds to fighters showing restraint-we only dont kick in the balls, headbutt or eye gouge/fishhook but everything else goes. The reason why you dont see too many broken limbs in MMA is not because the aggressor is trying to hold back, its because the opponent will either know when he cannot escape and tap out or he will escape the submission. When I fight, its purely a sport to me and weather Im ground n pounding someone or on the receiving end Im loving every second of it, theres no animosity to my opponent, unless ofcourse there is bad blood between us but either way, when I go for a choke or neck crank Im not holding back at all-Im trying my best to rip his head off so he either taps out and gives up or he passes out. Same as when Im going for any joint lock-Im going full power and speed attempting to break the joint or cause my opponent to quit-and he's doing the same to me.Even though its simply a sport, its a pro sport and when money is involved, the incentive to try and win by any means necessary is very high.

With pressure points, Ive learned anumber of them when studying hap ki do but more to do with causing excruciating pain in the small joints-fingers,thumbs,etc. The death touch really is a bunch of bullshit. Theres a well known guy in the states named George Dillman who could knock people out but it was more of a chop to the neck as opposed to a touch. The actual ability to kill someone with a not to hard touch Ive yet to come across anyone who could actually do it. The Spetznaz guy was one of the toughest id ever fought and they are trained to kill.If it existed, he would have known about it for sure. Now as for small strikes to the throat/solar plexus that can kill you, sure I know about those-Ive actually stopped a guy's heart for just under a minute by landing a reverse punch square on my opponents solar plexus as he came forward to attack me in a kyokushinkai bare knuckle karate tournament..

[brutale]

Not to change the subject too much, but can anyone recommend a joint in Patts to watch UFC or pride on TV?

[papa_soda]

Roidfreak u might now a good friend of mine Angelo from Walthamstow.

He travels to Hong Kong each year to take part in mma fights.

He trains in Jujitsu & Chinese Boxing at a Gym in the West end.

[ROIDFREAK]

Roidfreak u might now a good friend of mine Angelo from Walthamstow.

He travels to Hong Kong each year to take part in mma fights.

He trains in Jujitsu & Chinese Boxing at a Gym in the West end.

 

CHinese boxing is another name for sanshou, the fights on a platform. I dont know anyone by that name but there are many MMA clubs all over here now. If he goes abroad to compete though, he must be good. If you chat to him ask him if he fights amateur or in professional events.If he's a pro and has a good background in competition I might be able to help him get into Cage Rage which is the biggest event held in Europe.

[papa_soda]

CHinese boxing is another name for sanshou, the fights on a platform. I dont know anyone by that name but there are many MMA clubs all over here now. If he goes abroad to compete though, he must be good. If you chat to him ask him if he fights amateur or in professional events.If he's a pro and has a good background in competition I might be able to help him get into Cage Rage which is the biggest event held in Europe.

He also does the lion dancing for the Gym at the chinese festivals in London & around the UK.

Hes well know in the Chinese community in the West End.

Hes in Hong Kong at the moment but will have a word with him when he gets back.

[ROIDFREAK]

He also does the lion dancing for the Gym at the chinese festivals in London & around the UK.

Hes well know in the Chinese community in the West End.

Hes in Hong Kong at the moment but will have a word with him when he gets back.

 

Years ago when I first studied Wing Chun, I used to learn from an old man named Sifu Yap Leong. He owns a martial arts shop on Newport street right behind Leicester Square station in the west end.He taught Shaolin Fist Kung Fu. His school are always heavily involved with the lion dances, etc. Maybe your friend knows him.

[Scorpio80]

With regaqrds to fighters showing restraint-we only dont kick in the balls, headbutt or eye gouge/fishhook but everything else goes. The reason why you dont see too many broken limbs in MMA is not because the aggressor is trying to hold back, its because the opponent will either know when he cannot escape and tap out or he will escape the submission. When I fight, its purely a sport to me and weather Im ground n pounding someone or on the receiving end Im loving every second of it, theres no animosity to my opponent, unless ofcourse there is bad blood between us but either way, when I go for a choke or neck crank Im not holding back at all-Im trying my best to rip his head off so he either taps out and gives up or he passes out. Same as when Im going for any joint lock-Im going full power and speed attempting to break the joint or cause my opponent to quit-and he's doing the same to me.Even though its simply a sport, its a pro sport and when money is involved, the incentive to try and win by any means necessary is very high.

With pressure points, Ive learned anumber of them when studying hap ki do but more to do with causing excruciating pain in the small joints-fingers,thumbs,etc. The death touch really is a bunch of bullshit. Theres a well known guy in the states named George Dillman who could knock people out but it was more of a chop to the neck as opposed to a touch. The actual ability to kill someone with a not to hard touch Ive yet to come across anyone who could actually do it. The Spetznaz guy was one of the toughest id ever fought and they are trained to kill.If it existed, he would have known about it for sure. Now as for small strikes to the throat/solar plexus that can kill you, sure I know about those-Ive actually stopped a guy's heart for just under a minute by landing a reverse punch square on my opponents solar plexus as he came forward to attack me in a kyokushinkai bare knuckle karate tournament..

Back in da days the rules were more lenient and no weight class which I like ! You had a sumo wrestler against a 150lber lol .I wish they have no weight classes it makes it more interesting to watch and probably better ratings but MMA is def taking over boxing n fake wrestling ,etc.

[Panudate]

CHinese boxing is another name for sanshou,

 

Also called Wu Shu Kwan

[ROIDFREAK]

Yeah,back in the original UFC days with no weight classes it was fun to watch but the reason weight classes are needed is due to power..

If a guy is huge, like a bodybuilder but unskilled, he is honestly not very difficult to beat for a skilled but much lighter fighter. But When you have 2 guys of equal skill and conditioning/stamina and one is 250lbs and the othere is only 150lbs, the 150lb guy is at a huge disadvantage as the heavier guy will know how to use his bodyweight to generate far more power that the lightweight can handle. Look at Royce Gracie, when he beat everyone easily in the first couple UFCs, most knew nothing about submissions but lately he has been getting his ass whipped by Matt Hughes, Sakuraba, Yoshida,etc. Reason being a smart fighteer evolves-he learns the effective striking and grappling and combines it. Royce cannot strike worth a shit but his submissions are awesome. Unfortunately for him being a one dimensional fighter is no longer enough to stay at the top.