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I have seen studies like this over and over. Given the lifestyle we live, I believe people will be interested in the findings. I have only included a small part. You can find the whole thing at http://www.libchrist.com/std/facts.html. It is very interesting reading. Anyway..yes it is only one source and it is from a few years ago. So do your own honest research, I think you will find plenty of info to back it up. Like I said, I have in the past (I even talked to my own MD about it) and believe what this is saying is true. (by the way...I am not saying to NOT use a condom)

 

Anyway, here is a small part of it. What do you think?

 

Thailand Military & Prostitute Studies

An article about Thailand got lots of attention showed 6.9% of military recruits tested HIV+. We have no idea how any of these were gays, bisexual or drug users (which I understand is very common). Somehow the article takes the huge leap to the source being sex with prostitutes with no explanation. Perhaps this was the excuse many of them had rather than admitting other risk factors.

 

There is no evidence of any AIDS epidemic in Thailand among female prostitutes, based on the World Health Organization's (WHO) most recent "Update May 1995" on AIDS/HIV in Thailand. 85% of all AIDS cases in Thailand are in men and 10% in heterosexual women. There is no evidence that any of these females are prostitutes.

 

In June 1994, 513 female prostitutes were tested for HIV. 94% were negative. These were the most promiscuous prostitutes who worked the infamous red-light districts of Patpong. Drug use is also high which might explain how 6% were HIV+ in addition to the fact HIV can be transmitted male to female (with difficulty) but its almost impossible to transfer female to a intact healthy male, assuming no other risk factors.

 

There is no evidence that any tourists contracted AIDS from having sex with Thai prostitutes. On the contrary, a study of AIDS in Japan, Australia and Malaysia - all countries that frequent Thai prostitutes heavily - reveals a virtual absence of HIV/AIDS. Japan has less than 1000 cumulative AIDS cases and no HIV, even among the Japanese prostitutes. The Aussies likewise have hardly any AIDS cases, yet hundreds of thousands of Aussie men have a long history of frequenting the beautiful prostitutes of the Far East.

 

The book "AIDS: Can You Catch It From Asian Women? NO!," by Mac Horn, documents the fact that among Americans who live in Thailand and have been having unprotected sex with literally thousands of Thai prostitutes over a minimum 3 year period, not a single one of them is HIV+.

 

Mac Horn comments on the internet with someone arguing about his facts:

"The fact that I publish a book on travel to the Orient, I think, would qualify me as somewhat of an authority. After all, I lived in Thailand for 3 years and I interviewed literally hundreds of tourists and prostitutes and I've yet to meet or hear of one tourist or prostitute who is HIV infected as a result of their sexual lifestyle." He also notes that with the 200,000 Americans who visit Thailand every year - and 70% are men going there for the sex industry - there would be some evidence of HIV if it was spreading to customers of prostitutes.

 

Many More Prostitution Studies Show No Risk To Customers

And They Don't All Use Condoms!

Since heterosexual men don't get AIDS from prostitutes, they sure won't get it from other women, nor be a threat to their female partners.

 

"...Non-drug abusing prostitutes have no higher risk of AIDS than other women." (The U.S. National Academy of Sciences, 1990)

 

"The majority of prostitutes who have become infected with HIV in the US. have not become infected through sexual behavior. Most AIDS cases among women in the US. have occurred in women who use IV drugs...shared injection equipment rather than sexual activity has been the most significant transmission factor among female prostitutes." (AIDS: Sexual Behavior and Intravenous Drug Abuse, by National Research Council)

 

"Non drug using prostitutes in the U.S. play a small role in HIV transmission...80% of infected prostitutes (in the United States) reported using injection drugs" (AIDS Update 1994 - 1995, by Gerald Stine)

 

"Even prostitutes are not at risk for AIDS unless they also use drugs." (What Causes AIDS? It's An Open Question, by Kary B. Mullis, et. al; Mullis is the 1993 Nobel Prize winner for his invention of the PCR used to detect HIV.)

 

"There is no evidence that prostitutes constitute a special risk category..." (What to do about AIDS)

 

[Prostitutes]"...there is little direct evidence that they are a risk group ...unless a prostitute injects drugs she is unlikely to be infected with HIV...It is ironic that prostitutes have been scapegoated for AIDS. Contrary to popular belief, prostitutes are often among the best informed as to how to protect themselves...The chances of a person becoming infected are likely to increase with repeated exposure. Hence a long term infected partner is probably much riskier than a one-night stand with an infected prostitute. Although prostitutes have been blamed for the spread of AIDS, few if any cases of AIDS in men can be unequivocally linked to them." (Women and AIDS)

 

"...There is also very little evidence of transmission of HIV from female prostitutes, whether they are drug abusers or not, to non-drug abusing heterosexual men. [From a study in New York]...of the 340 men subjects who regularly had sex with prostitutes...only 3 had evidence of HIV infection." (ibid.)

 

"Prostitutes represent virtually no risk for spreading HIV to non risk heterosexuals." (Ibid.)

 

"In Europe, there is as yet no evidence that female prostitutes are a source of HIV infection for the heterosexual population." (Social and Preventive Medicine)

 

"An HIV positive person requires an average of 1,000 unprotected sexual contacts to pass along this virus just once, as discovered by testing the wives of HIV infected hemophiliacs." (Why We Will Never Win the War on AIDS, by Bryan Ellion and Dr. Peter Duesberg, 1994)

 

"Despite high rates of sexual contact, HIV infection had been generally slow to spread to sex workers in Asia. For example, the latest data from South Korea, the Philippines, and Taiwan show levels of infection among commercial sex workers of below 1 percent." ("The Impact of HIV/AIDS on World Population," U.S. Department of Commerce, Bureau of the Census, May 1994, p.12)

 

"Evidence indicates at this time in the US., heterosexual men (as a group) engaging in sex with prostitutes (as a group) have not been contracting HIV from them. (Women, AIDS and Activism, p.181)

 

"From 1987 to 1992, in the Philippines, under the medical supervision of the U.S. military, over 31,710 Filipino prostitutes were tested for HIV infection. After over 10 years of sexual contact with American GI's as well as tourists from Japan, America, Germany, Australia, etc. 99.88% of the 31,710 prostitutes were found HIV-negative. There was no evidence that any of the prostitutes spread AIDS to any of the GI's nor evidence that any of the GI's spread AIDS to the prostitutes. However, there was evidence of high levels of sexually transmitted diseases, such as VD and the 'clap,' which indicated that many or most of the GI's were not using condom protection. This is powerful testimony that HIV/AIDS is not a sexually transmitted disease, except in very rare situations. Unfortunately, the media focus their attention only on these exceptions to the rule, giving the public the false impression that HIV is easily spread. Nothing could be further from the truth." (Ibid.)

 

"Of the 20,432 cumulative AIDS cases in Thailand, as of May 1995, 17,475 are males (85.5%) and 2,957 are female (14.5%). Of these females, 2,043 are heterosexual (the rest being IV drug users, blood donors, etc.). This means that AIDS in Thailand has little or nothing to do with prostitution. How could AIDS be caused and spread by female prostitutes when the majority (85%) of AIDS cases are not even female? Or are we now supposed to believe that prostitutes spread AIDS to their male clients, but the male clients don't spread it back to the prostitutes?" (Ibid.)

 

Conclusion: So why are we being told that prostitutes are at risk for AIDS ? The answer is clear. Condom companies use bogus AIDS statistics to boost condom sales and anti-prostitution organizations/religionists use AIDS scare tactics to promote their own code of sexual morality. In short, folks, we've been lied to. The chances of female-to-male transmission of HIV leading to AIDS has never been proven among healthy, non drug abusing heterosexuals with no other risk factors.

 

Many Falsely Accuse Prostitutes As Excuse

It is so easy for men to blame a prostitute, which is much less frowned upon, than the real risk behavior of gay sex or using IV drugs. Yet even with this bias towards lying about risk factors, the female to male heterosexual rate is almost nonexistent.

 

Here is an internet post as an example of the false classifications of heterosexual male risk: "A young friend was recently discharged from the air force with AIDS. He is a femmy homosexual but he (perhaps correctly, considering the military mentality he must run into) has consistently told the AF doctors that he picked up AIDS from a female prostitute somewhere in Germany. His response (and probably zillions others) biases the research. A lot of these lies get coded into the research. Anal sex and IV drug abuse are hush-hush things but not prostitution which is much more acceptable."

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I have no idea why it is bias but it definately is. This quote stuck out like a sore thumb to me:

 

"Prostitutes represent virtually no risk for spreading HIV to non risk heterosexuals."

 

Tell that to the many guys who have contracted HIV from Thai prositutes.

 

Something else that sticks out is this quote:

 

"An HIV positive person requires an average of 1,000 unprotected sexual contacts to pass along this virus just once..."

 

While I beleive it is true in Western counties I have read that there is a strain in Thailand that is easier to pass on.

 

I would say nobody should use this information to justify not wearing a condom.

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I have no idea why it is bias but it definately is. This quote stuck out like a sore thumb to me:

 

"Prostitutes represent virtually no risk for spreading HIV to non risk heterosexuals."

 

Tell that to the many guys who have contracted HIV from Thai prositutes.

 

Something else that sticks out is this quote:

 

"An HIV positive person requires an average of 1,000 unprotected sexual contacts to pass along this virus just once..."

 

While I beleive it is true in Western counties I have read that there is a strain in Thailand that is easier to pass on.

 

I would say nobody should use this information to justify not wearing a condom.

 

Unfortunately many will.

 

They'll always believe the news source that favors their point of view or their actions.

 

They always look at the statistics or odds from their perspective. What are the odds I will catch anything. Some studies show low risk, so I don't care. Many mongers have gone bareback and never gotten sick, so I won't worry.

 

So on and so forth. Never any concern for whether the girl herself could potentially get sick from not only HIV but other illnesses, not to mention other issues.

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Shit this HIV/AIDS crap really makes enjoying with a BG difficult.

 

Didn't I hear on the news that Thailand now has created a vaccine again HIV ?

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Didn't I hear on the news that Thailand now has created a vaccine again HIV ?

 

I believe there was a vaccine trial there. But I think the vaccine was fromn the US.

 

The rate of female to male transmission of HIV is very low, but it is not zero (unprotected sex). If you use a condom the risk is essentially nil. In one sense the quotes are true, in that prostitute to john (female to male) transmission is not causing an epidemic. But that is poor consolation if you happen to win the lottery and catch HIV from a pro. On the other hand it is not technically correct. You can catch it, the risk is not zero. And some unlucky slob will get it.

 

 

Statements like you have to have sex 1000 time to catch the virus are extremely misleading. The risk of transmission may be 1 in 1000, but that risk is the same the first time, or the 1000th time - it does not change.

 

Know your risk. Many guys are willing to accept the risks of BB sex with a pro. But you can't whine if you get AIDS. Or use a condom and don't worry about it.

 

 

 

The rate of male to female transmission is higher than female to male, and is one reason why many girls are demanding condoms these days.

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Interesting article.

 

But with all the other STD's out there, you have to be outrageously reckless not to cover up with a hooker. :NoNo3:

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i'm with scumbag...this article is mostly complete bollox.. :GoldenSmile1:

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I have no idea why it is bias but it definately is. This quote stuck out like a sore thumb to me:

 

"Prostitutes represent virtually no risk for spreading HIV to non risk heterosexuals."

 

Tell that to the many guys who have contracted HIV from Thai prositutes.

 

Something else that sticks out is this quote:

 

"An HIV positive person requires an average of 1,000 unprotected sexual contacts to pass along this virus just once..."

 

While I beleive it is true in Western counties I have read that there is a strain in Thailand that is easier to pass on.

 

I would say nobody should use this information to justify not wearing a condom.

 

I don't think there is any justification for for not wearing a condom. But I do think that the information you get from the on the evening news is not always accurate. I think the main thing is that people not worry their asses off if a condom breaks or they "accidentally" bareback once.

The statistics are often misunderstood as well. The "1,000 unprotected contacts" stat does not mean that you have sex with 1000 HIV negative girls and the 1,001 will be HIV positive so you get AIDS. It means that you can have sex 1,000 times with an HIV Positive girl before you are likely to get it. (by the way, this stat is accepted by the medical community)(research please).

 

For those who did not read the full article, A man was found to have been HIV positive for 10 years. The whole time he was married and his wife never caught it from him.

 

And may I say just one more time..please don't rely on this article. Do research on your own.

 

And My main point was..... Please don't go crazy with worry about getting HIV. Especially if you wrap up.

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I think the government should make legal this type of business. Only this way will help decline number of getting HIV.

Although by such high  level of corruption in Thailand that any good idea turns into mess.

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My understanding has always been that it is very hard for a man to get HIV from heterosexual sex. However, considering all the other stds one can contract in LOS, a condom is certainly always needed.

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There's one thing everyone forgets. If it is so hard for a male to acquire the virus through heterosexual sex, how do the girls get it? Someone must infect them. Is the inference that girls must acquire it from needles or from having sex with homosexual men, because if heterosexual men find it hard to acquire, how on earth do the girls get it?

 

Can someone explain this please?

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There's one thing everyone forgets. If it is so hard for a male to acquire the virus through heterosexual sex, how do the girls get it? Someone must infect them. Is the inference that girls must acquire it from needles or from having sex with homosexual men, because if heterosexual men find it hard to acquire, how on earth do the girls get it?

 

Can someone explain this please?

 

Girls get it easier than men....because they receive the fluid in their bodies.....and.....unprotected anal sex. With anal sex, the receiving partner has the highest risk. The insides of the anus and rectum tear and permit the virus to come in through the blood. (It's why gays get it).

 

Another factor could be drug use. Or some other thing that lowers their immune system.

 

One thing they figured out about Africa is that many men have penis piercings and do unprotected anal sex. That is the girl's rectum and the guy's cock getting slightly torn, which allows the disease to come in. And one more thing they found...Many Africans are infested with worms, like tape worms and such. this lowers their immune system which allows HIV to take hold.

 

And by the way....

 

 

Bag it and be happy!

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Girls get it easier than men....because they receive the fluid in their bodies.....and.....unprotected anal sex. With anal sex, the receiving partner has the highest risk. The insides of the anus and rectum tear and permit the virus to come in through the blood. (It's why gays get it).

 

Another factor could be drug use. Or some other thing that lowers their immune system.

 

One thing they figured out about Africa is that many men have penis piercings and do unprotected anal sex. That is the girl's rectum and the guy's cock getting slightly torn, which allows the disease to come in. And one more thing they found...Many Africans are infested with worms, like tape worms and such. this lowers their immune system which allows HIV to take hold.

 

And by the way....

 

 

Bag it and be happy!

You are missing my point entirely. The girls are the recipient, yes? Whether or not they can acquire it easier than man is up for debate, but for every recipient there is a donor, ie an infected man.

WHO figures show roughly the same number of men as women have the virus.

 

It doesn't matter if they are more susceptible, the fact is unless you say they get it from IV drug use, they must get it from sexual intercourse, with a man. This leads to the inevitable conclusion that men must carry the virus, unless of course we are to believe that only homosexual men are responsible for the 'donation'. See where I am coming from? No smoke without fire sort of thing.

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You are missing my point entirely. The girls are the recipient, yes? Whether or not they can acquire it easier than man is up for debate, but for every recipient there is a donor, ie an infected man.

WHO figures show roughly the same number of men as women have the virus.

 

It doesn't matter if they are more susceptible, the fact is unless you say they get it from IV drug use, they must get it from sexual intercourse, with a man. This leads to the inevitable conclusion that men must carry the virus, unless of course we are to believe that only homosexual men are responsible for the 'donation'. See where I am coming from? No smoke without fire sort of thing.

 

OK. I see your point. But the point is , if I don't have it, then I am not at such a big risk of getting it.

It has been proven that women get it easier. Do the research on that.

 

As for the guys with AIDS who came to Patts and gave it to the girls..You don't know how they got it. Maybe they were BI, or Drug users. You also don't know if the girls themselves were not drug users. If a girl has tatoos, maybe she got it that way. In the west we know to keep things sterilized, but in Thailand I doubt they do it even if they know to.

 

WHO figures are deceptive because they never tell you where those men and women are. I think you will find that most of them are in Africa and that most of the rest are gay or IV drug users.

 

I just remember back in the 80's listening to the network news channels. All those reporters came on and said "everybody knows somebody with AIDS". And I was like...well I don't,,,and I don't know anybody that knows anybody with it either.

Just scare tactics.

And if that were true back then...we would all be dead now.

 

Anyway, just let me say that I think this debate is healthy.

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OK. I see your point. But the point is , if I don't have it, then I am not at such a big risk of getting it.

It has been proven that women get it easier. Do the research on that.

 

As for the guys with AIDS who came to Patts and gave it to the girls..You don't know how they got it. Maybe they were BI, or Drug users. You also don't know if the girls themselves were not drug users. If a girl has tatoos, maybe she got it that way. In the west we know to keep things sterilized, but in Thailand I doubt they do it even if they know to.

WHO figures are deceptive because they never tell you where those men and women are. I think you will find that most of them are in Africa and that most of the rest are gay or IV drug users.

 

OK mate, this isn't a personal argument, but it's chicken and egg stuff, guys get it, so what IF 50% are African, they still get it, however places like PNG (OK black as well) and other countries have figures to suggest the proportion of males to females infected is close.

 

Certainally, we know little of the practices of the girls in Patts, or the men, and it would be nice to think that staying clear of drug users would keep you safe, but like with Africa and PNG, whee drug use is virtually nil, guys still get it. To put it down to non-sterilized needles is wishful thinking. This has been identified primarily as a sexually transmitted disease.

 

If we are to believe that most of the males who have the virus are gay-receivers , or IV drug users, then of course let's count the risk of getting it by normal sex as minimal, but if there is any doubt that this is not just a gay/druggie disease, then perhaps we should consider the possibility that heterosexual males can get the virus and pass it on.

 

It is very convenient, and very easy, to develop a model whereby it only takes one to tango, but frankly that is akin to burying one's head in the sand, whichever head that may be.

I just remember back in the 80's listening to the network news channels. All those reporters came on and said "everybody knows somebody with AIDS". And I was like...well I don't,,,and I don't know anybody that knows anybody with it either.

Just scare tactics.

And if that were true back then...we would all be dead now.

 

Anyway, just let me say that I think this debate is healthy.

To be honest I never head any such reports and in the 80s I was a student in the UK, and in fact 30 years down the track I too personally know very few people who had it. However, let me say this. In 1991 I was diagnosed with testicular cancer and the only person I had heard of before who had it was Bob Champion, a jockey, but when I had it I suddenly knew lots more people who had it, and discovered every second Friday at Christie Hospital Manchester was ball cancer Friday, and there were shit loads of us.

Just because yo don't know doesn't mean there isn't!!

 

Cheers.

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Some of the research in the OP is mid-1990s, I would suspect that things like infection-rates may have changed, some 15 years onwards.

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question and food for thought :

 

chances of getting hiv = 1 in 1000 some say 1 in 10000 some say 1 in 100000

 

ok i have read alot of posts saying wow the odds are low and you would have to be so unlucky etc etc etc

 

how many of you buy lottery tickets or scratchies etc????

 

ok the odds of winning the lotto is 1 in 9million 876thousand 500hundred, when you buy your lotto ticket you buy it thinking you have a chance of winning rite?????????

 

so it amazes me that at odds of 1 in say 10thousand of catching hiv is good odds to alot of memebers and not much of a risk :(((((

 

your little head will over rule your big head all the time, are we ruining pattaya for our male children lol will they be able to go there and enjoy what we are, or will it be africa where you cant have unprotected sex due to the curtainty of catching it???

 

 

ps herpies is for ever and just needs one touch to catch it, i have a mate with it and he presents a few times a year with sores and wow is he in pain and cant go near chics it also affects him finding girlfriends, i will no doubt want to bare back and it will take all my will power not to but i will try and rubber up all the time,

 

 

 

JUST THINK ABOUT WHAT THE COSTS ARE AND IF YOU ARE WILLING TO DO THAT ENJOY IT WHILE IT LASTS YOU MAYBE ONE OF THE LUCKY ONES THAT BLOWS IN GIRL AFTER GIRL AND NEVER GET ANYTHING, I WISH THIS FOR ALL MEN BUT SOME DO CATCH IT, GOOD LUCK

family is number one all else means nothing, go the extra mile its never crowded

 

 

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you only have to catch a little something once and you realise how easiily it can be done. thankfully i had a lucky escape with the rot but it's taught me that it's never safe to take the risk. be warned

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I have seen studies like this over and over. Given the lifestyle we live, I believe people will be interested in the findings. I have only included a small part. You can find the whole thing at http://www.libchrist.com/std/facts.html. It is very interesting reading. Anyway..yes it is only one source and it is from a few years ago. So do your own honest research, I think you will find plenty of info to back it up. Like I said, I have in the past (I even talked to my own MD about it) and believe what this is saying is true. (by the way...I am not saying to NOT use a condom)

 

Anyway, here is a small part of it. What do you think?

 

Thailand Military & Prostitute Studies

An article about Thailand got lots of attention showed 6.9% of military recruits tested HIV+. We have no idea how any of these were gays, bisexual or drug users (which I understand is very common). Somehow the article takes the huge leap to the source being sex with prostitutes with no explanation. Perhaps this was the excuse many of them had rather than admitting other risk factors.

 

There is no evidence of any AIDS epidemic in Thailand among female prostitutes, based on the World Health Organization's (WHO) most recent "Update May 1995" on AIDS/HIV in Thailand. 85% of all AIDS cases in Thailand are in men and 10% in heterosexual women. There is no evidence that any of these females are prostitutes.

 

In June 1994, 513 female prostitutes were tested for HIV. 94% were negative. These were the most promiscuous prostitutes who worked the infamous red-light districts of Patpong. Drug use is also high which might explain how 6% were HIV+ in addition to the fact HIV can be transmitted male to female (with difficulty) but its almost impossible to transfer female to a intact healthy male, assuming no other risk factors.

 

There is no evidence that any tourists contracted AIDS from having sex with Thai prostitutes. On the contrary, a study of AIDS in Japan, Australia and Malaysia - all countries that frequent Thai prostitutes heavily - reveals a virtual absence of HIV/AIDS. Japan has less than 1000 cumulative AIDS cases and no HIV, even among the Japanese prostitutes. The Aussies likewise have hardly any AIDS cases, yet hundreds of thousands of Aussie men have a long history of frequenting the beautiful prostitutes of the Far East.

 

The book "AIDS: Can You Catch It From Asian Women? NO!," by Mac Horn, documents the fact that among Americans who live in Thailand and have been having unprotected sex with literally thousands of Thai prostitutes over a minimum 3 year period, not a single one of them is HIV+.

 

Mac Horn comments on the internet with someone arguing about his facts:

"The fact that I publish a book on travel to the Orient, I think, would qualify me as somewhat of an authority. After all, I lived in Thailand for 3 years and I interviewed literally hundreds of tourists and prostitutes and I've yet to meet or hear of one tourist or prostitute who is HIV infected as a result of their sexual lifestyle." He also notes that with the 200,000 Americans who visit Thailand every year - and 70% are men going there for the sex industry - there would be some evidence of HIV if it was spreading to customers of prostitutes.

 

Many More Prostitution Studies Show No Risk To Customers

And They Don't All Use Condoms!

Since heterosexual men don't get AIDS from prostitutes, they sure won't get it from other women, nor be a threat to their female partners.

 

"...Non-drug abusing prostitutes have no higher risk of AIDS than other women." (The U.S. National Academy of Sciences, 1990)

 

"The majority of prostitutes who have become infected with HIV in the US. have not become infected through sexual behavior. Most AIDS cases among women in the US. have occurred in women who use IV drugs...shared injection equipment rather than sexual activity has been the most significant transmission factor among female prostitutes." (AIDS: Sexual Behavior and Intravenous Drug Abuse, by National Research Council)

 

"Non drug using prostitutes in the U.S. play a small role in HIV transmission...80% of infected prostitutes (in the United States) reported using injection drugs" (AIDS Update 1994 - 1995, by Gerald Stine)

 

"Even prostitutes are not at risk for AIDS unless they also use drugs." (What Causes AIDS? It's An Open Question, by Kary B. Mullis, et. al; Mullis is the 1993 Nobel Prize winner for his invention of the PCR used to detect HIV.)

 

"There is no evidence that prostitutes constitute a special risk category..." (What to do about AIDS)

 

[Prostitutes]"...there is little direct evidence that they are a risk group ...unless a prostitute injects drugs she is unlikely to be infected with HIV...It is ironic that prostitutes have been scapegoated for AIDS. Contrary to popular belief, prostitutes are often among the best informed as to how to protect themselves...The chances of a person becoming infected are likely to increase with repeated exposure. Hence a long term infected partner is probably much riskier than a one-night stand with an infected prostitute. Although prostitutes have been blamed for the spread of AIDS, few if any cases of AIDS in men can be unequivocally linked to them." (Women and AIDS)

 

"...There is also very little evidence of transmission of HIV from female prostitutes, whether they are drug abusers or not, to non-drug abusing heterosexual men. [From a study in New York]...of the 340 men subjects who regularly had sex with prostitutes...only 3 had evidence of HIV infection." (ibid.)

 

"Prostitutes represent virtually no risk for spreading HIV to non risk heterosexuals." (Ibid.)

 

"In Europe, there is as yet no evidence that female prostitutes are a source of HIV infection for the heterosexual population." (Social and Preventive Medicine)

 

"An HIV positive person requires an average of 1,000 unprotected sexual contacts to pass along this virus just once, as discovered by testing the wives of HIV infected hemophiliacs." (Why We Will Never Win the War on AIDS, by Bryan Ellion and Dr. Peter Duesberg, 1994)

 

"Despite high rates of sexual contact, HIV infection had been generally slow to spread to sex workers in Asia. For example, the latest data from South Korea, the Philippines, and Taiwan show levels of infection among commercial sex workers of below 1 percent." ("The Impact of HIV/AIDS on World Population," U.S. Department of Commerce, Bureau of the Census, May 1994, p.12)

 

"Evidence indicates at this time in the US., heterosexual men (as a group) engaging in sex with prostitutes (as a group) have not been contracting HIV from them. (Women, AIDS and Activism, p.181)

 

"From 1987 to 1992, in the Philippines, under the medical supervision of the U.S. military, over 31,710 Filipino prostitutes were tested for HIV infection. After over 10 years of sexual contact with American GI's as well as tourists from Japan, America, Germany, Australia, etc. 99.88% of the 31,710 prostitutes were found HIV-negative. There was no evidence that any of the prostitutes spread AIDS to any of the GI's nor evidence that any of the GI's spread AIDS to the prostitutes. However, there was evidence of high levels of sexually transmitted diseases, such as VD and the 'clap,' which indicated that many or most of the GI's were not using condom protection. This is powerful testimony that HIV/AIDS is not a sexually transmitted disease, except in very rare situations. Unfortunately, the media focus their attention only on these exceptions to the rule, giving the public the false impression that HIV is easily spread. Nothing could be further from the truth." (Ibid.)

 

"Of the 20,432 cumulative AIDS cases in Thailand, as of May 1995, 17,475 are males (85.5%) and 2,957 are female (14.5%). Of these females, 2,043 are heterosexual (the rest being IV drug users, blood donors, etc.). This means that AIDS in Thailand has little or nothing to do with prostitution. How could AIDS be caused and spread by female prostitutes when the majority (85%) of AIDS cases are not even female? Or are we now supposed to believe that prostitutes spread AIDS to their male clients, but the male clients don't spread it back to the prostitutes?" (Ibid.)

 

Conclusion: So why are we being told that prostitutes are at risk for AIDS ? The answer is clear. Condom companies use bogus AIDS statistics to boost condom sales and anti-prostitution organizations/religionists use AIDS scare tactics to promote their own code of sexual morality. In short, folks, we've been lied to. The chances of female-to-male transmission of HIV leading to AIDS has never been proven among healthy, non drug abusing heterosexuals with no other risk factors.

 

Many Falsely Accuse Prostitutes As Excuse

It is so easy for men to blame a prostitute, which is much less frowned upon, than the real risk behavior of gay sex or using IV drugs. Yet even with this bias towards lying about risk factors, the female to male heterosexual rate is almost nonexistent.

 

Here is an internet post as an example of the false classifications of heterosexual male risk: "A young friend was recently discharged from the air force with AIDS. He is a femmy homosexual but he (perhaps correctly, considering the military mentality he must run into) has consistently told the AF doctors that he picked up AIDS from a female prostitute somewhere in Germany. His response (and probably zillions others) biases the research. A lot of these lies get coded into the research. Anal sex and IV drug abuse are hush-hush things but not prostitution which is much more acceptable."

I'll pass that information on to the one of my two friends who caught HIV from Thai bar girls who's still alive (and no they aren't closet gays or IV drug users). Nothing like a bit of reality amongst your friends to cut through the bullshit.

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you only have to catch a little something once and you realise how easiily it can be done. thankfully i had a lucky escape with the rot but it's taught me that it's never safe to take the risk. be warned

 

Same here. Was in pats last year and the damn rubber broke. My fault really because I was innocently walking down Soi 6 admiring the view without any condoms on my person, when I got "pulled in". I had to use the one offered to me by the girl, which turned out to be thai-sized and quite uncomfortable... I was lucky because I felt it break and immediatly pulled out, but there was still a risk of infection. I tested back home and it was negative, but I had a chat with the doctor who had worked in thailand for a number of years, and here is what he told me:

 

- There are several types of HIV viruses, cause by the virus' frequent mutations. Europe and the Americas are exposed to type A HIV, which carries relatively low risks of infection between heterosexual partners who have vaginal sex. The problem is that people in Thailand are exposed to type E HIV, a mutated combination of type A HIV and B HIV. Type E HIV is much more virulent and infectious than type A HIV and the odds of catching it with unprotected vaginal intercourse are much greater.

 

- The only "relatively safe" type of unprotected sex in Thailand is to recieve oral sex. For now, type E HIV cannot survive the natural inhibitors contained in human saliva. But be warned ! HIV is always ready to mutate, and you DONT want to achieve world fame as the first person to catch a new type of HIV. The other risk factor is that after a few days of hardcore sex you can get redness and even little cuts on your tool. Getting an unprotected blowjob in these conditions is risky.

 

I've also heard some people think it's safe to have unprotected sex with bar girls (versus unprotected sex with freelancers) because bar girls are required to test for HIV. I've had many conversations with bar girls on this subject. The truth is , some bars ask the girls to get tested, some bars don't care. If there are no visible signs that the girl is sick, such as sores, spots, etc... shifty bar owners will asume they are healthy.

 

Stay safe, stay alive and don't play russian roulette with your health and your wife's or girlfriend's health when you get home from pats. Always wear a condom, and you're garanteed to spend a happy life full of thai pussy rather than face a slow death in a lonely hospital bed (or a cell if you are found guilty of knowingly transmitting HIV to your spouse). Buy rubbers by the hundreds before you leave home so you don't have to rely on the crap condoms they sell in pats.

 

And if you really want to avoid any risk of infection go to DD :)

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I read that article when I was in Thailand and it contributed to me being more careless than I should have…not good.

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thanks for those stats. at the very least, they can be comforting to someone who had a risky or unwise encounter.

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try this info for province by province statistics and routes of transmission.

 

 

HADH (2011) Thailand: Overview in Slides - HIV Prevalence and Epidemiological Status

 

Bear in mind that the WHO donates millions of dollars to countries that show statistics that read as if HIV prevention is really working in said country. ergo; don't trust the statistics.

 

Trust this instead: if a girl goes with me with no condom than she has or will go with another...

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try this info for province by province statistics and routes of transmission.

 

 

HADH (2011) Thailand: Overview in Slides - HIV Prevalence and Epidemiological Status

 

Bear in mind that the WHO donates millions of dollars to countries that show statistics that read as if HIV prevention is really working in said country. ergo; don't trust the statistics.

 

Trust this instead: if a girl goes with me with no condom than she has or will go with another...

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