Should we be concerned about flying on Boeing planes?

[Curator]

Boeing has been in the news for all the wrong reasons and is under investigation from United States federal regulators.  I know some of the past five incidents are not the fault of the airplane, but when former whistleblowers end up dead, or work is not documented, or security footage of the door plug  was "overwritten", it all gives me pause.

[1tooth]

YES. I am avoiding all their planes. The reason the fleet hasn't been grounded is financial.

[petermik]

10 hours ago, Curator said:

Boeing has been in the news for all the wrong reasons and is under investigation from United States federal regulators.  I know some of the past five incidents are not the fault of the airplane, but when former whistleblowers end up dead, or work is not documented, or security footage of the door plug  was "overwritten", it all gives me pause.

You think too much......

[Max5151]

I feel strongly that everybody should avoid Boeing planes.

This will result in more empty seats on Boeing planes, giving me more room to stretch out and have an empty seat next to me.

 

[LASportsNut]

I try not to really worry too much about it.  Here are some interesting stats (I did not fact check):

• Airbus A380: The giant of the skies, the A380 boasts a perfect safety record with no fatal accidents since its introduction in 2005.
  

  Airbus A380 airplane
• Boeing 787: Also known as the Dreamliner, the 787 has a very good safety record with no fatal accidents involving the passenger model.
  

  Boeing 787 airplane
• Airbus A320neo family: This newer generation of the Airbus A320 is known for its fuel efficiency and advanced technology. While there was a fatal accident in 2020, the overall safety record remains commendable.
  

[swede37]

I worry more about the 4 hour drive to the airport, especially when its snowstorm. Probably a million time more dangerous than flying a boeing.

[forcebwithu]

9 minutes ago, swede37 said:

I worry more about the 4 hour drive to the airport, especially when its snowstorm. Probably a million time more dangerous than flying a boeing.

[Gonetothedogs]

Well it’s up to you. You can either accept international / national safety standards for vehicles, food, medicine, elevators, fire escapes, etc etc and live your life 

 

OR you can live your life checking (internet researching) every little thing you come across and end up in a bar in Pattaya loudly explaining to an Issan bar girl why she shouldn’t EVER do X,Y and Z.

 

Seems like an awful lot of blokes in Pattaya prefer option B

 

[Gonetothedogs]

28 minutes ago, swede37 said:

I worry more about the 4 hour drive to the airport, especially when its snowstorm. Probably a million time more dangerous than flying a boeing.

Half pissed taxi driver bombing down the highway from Pattaya, tailgating articulated lorries all the way and dicking about on his phone. 
 

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[little_me]

I'm just gonna guess the chances of getting run over crossing 2nd road at 2:00 am are much higher than being in any plane crash...

And if you do manage to live through the plane crash you'll have a helluva story, getting run over by a baht bus, not so much.

[1tooth]

Another incident happened yesterday with a Boeing aircraft. You can stick your head in the sand, or you can increase your probability of a long life by avoiding their planes.

[Whalley]

On 16/03/2024 at 18:44, 1tooth said:

Another incident happened yesterday with a Boeing aircraft. You can stick your head in the sand, or you can increase your probability of a long life by avoiding their planes.

 

At 40,000 feet, a clumsy light attendant adjusted the pilots seat forward on a B787.
 

The pilot had his meal tray on his lap and the seat movement resulted in pushing the control column forward and plunged the aircraft into nose dive for a few seconds.

 

 

 

 

[Whalley]

On 14/03/2024 at 08:10, Curator said:

Boeing has been in the news for all the wrong reasons and is under investigation from United States federal regulators.  I know some of the past five incidents are not the fault of the airplane, but when former whistleblowers end up dead, or work is not documented, or security footage of the door plug  was "overwritten", it all gives me pause.

 

In the past 10 days there have been 18 declared emergencies on Airbus aircraft.

Slagging Boeing is what sells news lately so you don’t hear much when it’s Airbus.
 

Airbus

https://avherald.com/h?article=51663145&opt=0

 

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https://avherald.com/h?article=51617615&opt=0

 

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[RRosenberg]

On 17/03/2024 at 01:44, 1tooth said:

You can stick your head in the sand, or you can increase your probability of a long life by avoiding their planes.

You can increase your probability of a long life even more by avoiding Pattaya.

[ricktoronto]

On 14/03/2024 at 22:10, Curator said:

Boeing has been in the news for all the wrong reasons and is under investigation from United States federal regulators.  I know some of the past five incidents are not the fault of the airplane, but when former whistleblowers end up dead, or work is not documented, or security footage of the door plug  was "overwritten", it all gives me pause.

Since you wrote this there have been 800,000 take offs and landing worldwide, figure half or more are Boeing and no crashes of any aircraft at all. 

[little_me]

33 minutes ago, ricktoronto said:

Since you wrote this there have been 800,000 take offs and landing worldwide, figure half or more are Boeing and no crashes of any aircraft at all. 

Meanwhile, over 100,000 people have walked across Second Rd. and only 5 have been hit...

[1tooth]

10 hours ago, RRosenberg said:

You can increase your probability of a long life even more by avoiding Pattaya.

 

[mattmoore1965x]

I fly a lot and like Googling things so:

• The odds of dying in a plane crash are about one in 11 million.
• 2023 was one of the safest years on record for commercial air travel, after only two fatal air crashes occurred in 12 months, compared to seven in 2022.
• Your chances of dying in a car accident, meanwhile, are one in 5,000.
• The chances of me dying if I do not get to Pattaya every year is about 50/50

So, to answer your question - no

[little_me]

18 hours ago, 1tooth said:

 

Maybe 30 years ago now, driving home from class at University of Alaska (ya, it exists, that's not the punchline), a 747 flying overhead lost an engine nearby...  No one was hurt, plane turned around and landed. Left a debris field a mile wide, mostly small part, nuts, bolts, etc, but coming down with enough force some went through roofs and people were finding stuff inside on the floor under holes in the ceiling.

Multiple 767's have lost what I read reported as a life raft or inflatable slide in different stories about them. At least 3 I've seen information on.

A wheel fell off a 777 a couple weeks ago leaving SFO. Landed in a nearby parking lot, maybe the rental car center, or bounced into it, pretty much destroyed several cars.

And there was that stow away that climbed into the landing gear area in Kenya, his frozen body ended up in some guy's back yard in London, when they lowered the gear preparing to land, I think that was a 747...

These things aren't new... 

Still more likely to get killed crossing the street in Pattaya.

And remember to keep your seatbelt fastened.

Edited March 23 by little_me

[1tooth]

[Espydon]

I've been in 2 helicopter accidents, and I'm still dumb enough to keep flying on them so maybe I'm not the best person to ask. 

However, I have been in EMS for over 10 years and respond to fatal car accidents weekly; I have yet to respond to a plane crash. We are all willing to go to grandma's in a metal death trap surrounded by morons on their phones also driving metal death traps.

Would I prefer to be on any other plane other than a 737 Max? Yes, but we also don't have that much of a choice when it comes to air travel and the law of averages is on our side. 

[elperro]

On 14/03/2024 at 08:10, Curator said:

Boeing has been in the news for all the wrong reasons and is under investigation from United States federal regulators.  I know some of the past five incidents are not the fault of the airplane, but when former whistleblowers end up dead, or work is not documented, or security footage of the door plug  was "overwritten", it all gives me pause.

Here's a link to an in depth article about the whistleblower who supposedly shot himself during his testimony. He had been persecuted for years by Boeing bean counters for refusing to overlook defects. Boeing planes are probably still quite safe, but less safe than they used to be.

 

https://prospect.org/infrastructure/transportation/2024-03-28-suicide-mission-boeing/