10PM Update: Soccer Team still trapped in flooded cave, search suspended due to rising waters, believed still alive

[brutox]

On 7/4/2018 at 12:49, brutox said:

Jeez, I really hope these guys do not dig into their bag of hero luck too deeply .. a lot of this is high competence .. just as much is just pure gut courage by a handful of total studs in the face of dark, cold, and uncertain waters .. but, some of it is luck (the weather, turn right/turn left at the fork in the cave, etc.).....

.... The cost of failure is .. likely .. all of it .. death.

At some risk, the idea of a classroom and bivouac in the bottom of a cave for a few months becomes tolerable.

 

 

16 hours ago, tenpro said:

https://flipboard.com/@flipboard/-ex-navy-seal-predicts-fatalities-if-tha/f-51c2391766%2Fcnn.com

Former US Navy SEAL Cade Courtley says diving should be the last rescue option for the soccer team stranded in a cave in Thailand because of the difficulty in diving

 

 

12 minutes ago, Ru4Real said:

Sad to see a Thai Navy Seal has just died; ran out of oxygen by the looks of it. Hope they don't tell the kids that.

 

[Harry Brown]

 

Sad to hear about the loss of the Seal diver.

 

I can remember when I did a beginners course on diving and one of the instructors would swim from group to group and check on us and how our air supply was going.  I was chewing through the air.  My tank was about quarter full and he showed me his gauge and it had hardly gone off the full level.  Anyway when we were back onboard the boat he was talking with me and asked " Did I start with a full tank of air.'  Which I did. So it just goes to show that a novice especially if they could not swim then the nerves will get to them and their breathing rate will go up and they will go through the air a lot quicker.

[Oukiva]

Former SEAL diver died during Cave operation  

A 38-year-old former SEAL officer died after he collapsed during operation in Tham Luang Cave in Chiang Ra’s Mae Sai district last night.

Diving buddy of Petty Officer 1st class Samarn Kunun performed CPR on him but he did not regain consciousness. He died at about 1am this morning, Naval Special Warfare Command chief Apakorn Yukongkaew said in front of the Cave.

He became the first casualty of the marathon operation to secure freedom for 13 members of Mu Pa Academy football club who were trapped inside the Cave since June 23. They were found early this month but still cannot leave it because of flooding.

 

BangkokPost:   "Naval Special Warfare Command chief Apakorn Yukongkaew said Petty Officer 1st class Saman Kunan, 37, who was a security officer at Suvarnabhumi airport, lost consciousness as he was returning used oxygen tanks to  Chamber 3 about 1am. His diving buddy tried to help, but in vain."

TheNation: “Samarn collapsed on his way back after delivering oxygen tanks inside the Cave. He took three oxygen tanks to the area where the boys are stranded. Though it does not look like a long distance, a one-way trek through the tough conditions takes about 5-6 hours. This means we use altogether 12 hours on one return trip,” 

[forcebwithu]

News report also that oxygen levels may be dropping.

The search has also turned more serious not just because of the first death related to the search and rescue, but also because for the first time authorities have confirmed that the oxygen levels inside the Cave are decreasing and the boys may need to be evacuated much earlier than planned. Some suggest that oxygen levels are as low as 15% at this point. Late last night Chiang Rai Governor Narongsak Osottanakorn said they will try to begin bringing out the boys – a dangerous oepration, but the most viable option at this point.

Source: http://www.chiangmaicitylife.com/news/rescue-updates-teenager-football-team-found-alive-cave/

[yugot]

From bbc article: "His job was to deliver oxygen. He did not have enough on his way back," said an official.

That guy is a true hero, but it goes to show that a lot of really bad things can happen still...

[william77]

RIP

[forcebwithu]

1 hour ago, Harry Brown said:

Sad to hear about the loss of the Seal diver.

I can remember when I did a beginners course on diving and one of the instructors would swim from group to group and check on us and how our air supply was going.  I was chewing through the air.  My tank was about quarter full and he showed me his gauge and it had hardly gone off the full level.  Anyway when we were back onboard the boat he was talking with me and asked " Did I start with a full tank of air.'  Which I did. So it just goes to show that a novice especially if they could not swim then the nerves will get to them and their breathing rate will go up and they will go through the air a lot quicker.

Good point about inexperienced divers using up air at a far higher rate than an experienced diver would. Just one more thing the rescuers need to consider when planning how to get the kids out.

Out of all the years of diving I only had to rescue one diver, and that was my son. We had just entered the water from the dive boat and had descended to about 30 ft. when he gave me the out of air signal. My first thought was he was joking, but he wasn't. Gave him my spare regulator and we ascended back to the surface. Turns out the dive operator had given him a bad regulator. Got a new kit and we were back in the water in a few minutes. Proud of him as he was cool as cucumber the whole time.

Contrast that with another dive. Our group had finished a dive and we were hanging on the trail line waiting our turn to get back on the boat. A friend was still sucking on her regulator checking out the marine life so as a practical joke I turned off her air. She went into a full on panic, and this was on the surface. I felt bad b/c of her bad reaction to my joke, but I also told her I was very concerned that if this was how she reacts to an out of air situation on the surface it doesn't bold well for her if it were to happen for real at depth.

[Doubleh]

1 hour ago, Harry Brown said:

 

Sad to hear about the loss of the Seal diver.

 

I can remember when I did a beginners course on diving and one of the instructors would swim from group to group and check on us and how our air supply was going.  I was chewing through the air.  My tank was about quarter full and he showed me his gauge and it had hardly gone off the full level.  Anyway when we were back onboard the boat he was talking with me and asked " Did I start with a full tank of air.'  Which I did. So it just goes to show that a novice especially if they could not swim then the nerves will get to them and their breathing rate will go up and they will go through the air a lot quicker.

If the bring the boys out they will have staging tanks placed for the journy back the only saving grace about their air consumtion is they are not diving at any depth because the deeper you go the less your air lasts. I just cant imagine how nervous everybody from rescuers to the boys will be.

 

[jocky king]

Really gutted  a death of an ex seal officer   .  Oxygen running low is not a good sign .  They must move fast to find a way to get them out . 

 

RIP to a hero . 

[william77]

This is tight 

[Red-Devil]

Such sad news,  heart felt condolences to his loved ones... R.I.P. 

[The Pattaya News]

Chiang Rai-

A former Thai Navy diver who had volunteered to help rescue 12 boys and their coach from a Cave in northern Thailand has died, according to government officials.

Former Sgt. Saman Kunan, an ex-SEAL, died at 2:00 a.m. Friday local time (2 p.m. Thursday ET) due to a lack of air while attempting to return to a command center deep underground, Chiang Rai Deputy Governor Passakorn Boonyalak said.

The command center is located two kilometers (1.2 miles) inside the Cave, where the young soccer team and their coach have been trapped for almost two weeks.

Kunan, 38, was returning from delivering oxygen tanks to the cavern where the boys are when he ran out of air while underwater.

One of Kunan’s longtime friends, Sgt. Anuram Kaewchano, told the press he was shocked to learn the news.

“I can’t believe this happened,” he told the Associated Press by phone. “He was very fit, he exercised every day, and he was a triathlete. Our last trip together was to Malaysia.”

He added that the last time the two spoke, “we talked about the kids — whether they were out yet.”

“Diving is always full of risks,” Navy SEAL chief Rear Adm. Aphakorn Yookongkaew said. “He may have passed out, causing him to drown, but we have to wait for the autopsy,” he added.

A military aircraft will carry Kunan’s body from Chiang Rai to Satthahip Navy Base Friday evening. A funeral service with full military honors will take place there, and then at his home town in the province of Roi Et, northern Thailand. It has not been announced if there will be a public service.

Volunteer diver Mikko Paasi said that the mood at the camp had changed since the rescue team learned of Kunan’s death.

“Definitely you can feel it that it has an effect, but we’re moving on. Everyone is a professional so we’re trying to put it away and avoid it happening again,” said the Finn, who is a long-term resident of Thailand.

“Everybody is focusing on getting these boys out — keeping them alive or getting them out.”

Pornphimon Pansurin, a counselor from the nearby Darunrat School who teaches Ekarat Wongsukjan, one of the missing boys, said the missing boys may feel responsible for the tragedy.

“If they learn about what has happened they will blame themselves,” she told the press. “They will feel very guilty.”

At this time, officials have said they will not be informing the children of the death as it would cause un-needed stress according to multiple doctors.

The operation to get the children out continues.

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[overseas516]

RIP.

 

[Ru4Real]

Further details on the deceased Seal:

 

[Ru4Real]

Lets keep the discussion to the main thread:

http://www.pattaya-addicts.com/forum/topic/325269-10pm-update-soccer-team-still-trapped-in-flooded-cave-search-suspended-due-to-rising-waters-believed-still-alive/

[mochatsubo]

4 hours ago, william77 said:

This is tight 

OMG. I have so much respect for the original divers who found the kids. 

And I also have a terrible concerns about trying to get the kids out this way. Imagine trying to navigate this if you:

1) don't know how to swim.

2) never used diving gear before

3) recently spent 10 days with no food, in a dark Cave, sleeping on the ground

Kids are resilient but god damn this is a predicament. 

[william77]

3 minutes ago, mochatsubo said:

OMG. I have so much respect for the original divers who found the kids. 

And I also have a terrible concerns about trying to get the kids out this way. Imagine trying to navigate this if you:

1) don't know how to swim.

2) never used diving gear before

3) recently spent 10 days with no food, in a dark cave, sleeping on the ground

Kids are resilient but god damn this is a predicament. 

This narrow passage, under water, put thing in perspective. There are voices that claim it can’t be that hard! Yes it can, it is, just check out that vid. 

[Bobmoore]

Guardian: A press conference is about to begin outside the Tham Luang caves where a major announcement is expected to be made.

 

 

 

 

[Just Browsing]

 

1 hour ago, william77 said:

This narrow passage, under water, put thing in perspective. There are voices that claim it can’t be that hard! Yes it can, it is, just check out that vid. 

When that happens to a guy who is that well trained & that fit, it clearly shows that this is anything but easy!!!

Heart goes out to the poor guys family as my heart swells with pride for all the guys that jumped in there to help out - I don't care what their nationality is (Even the Swedes are welcome - Joke friends, the match is tomorrow ) they're doing their nations proud & I'm sure they don't give a sh1t, they care more about getting these kiddies out.

Lets just all hope (pray if you like) that this poor guys death won't be in vain, he certainly won't be forgotten & I hope his family is taken care off.

[Is it only me that tears up everytime I read an update on this story, I swear I was on a bus when I heard this news & was struggling to hold back the tears!!!]

 

[brutox]

7 hours ago, william77 said:

 

.... This is tight 

 

Hey, William77.

Is this filmed inside Tham Luang Cave, or is it offered as an example of narrow passages elsewhere?

The water in the video appears more clear than I might expect in Tham Luang, and I haven't caught word that rescue divers need to dismount to squeeze through the narrowest passages up there.

But, passages that tight in Tham Luang would explain why an illustration of one dive technique for getting them out would be to tether the kids to guide divers, and they would breathe through tanks the guide divers carry .. the kids have no tank of their own.

This is so deeply unsettling.

I really do not want to see these kids swimming out of there, if camping there for 3-4 months is at least survivable.

I really hope the rescue team has this figured-out, planned to the minutest detail, and backed-up out the ying-yang.

 

[Pheat]

1 hour ago, JB300 said:

When that happens to a guy who is that well trained

Sad to say but If he was that well trained he would have not died.

If the children are going to be dived out I really hope this is done by the foreign expert divers.

Not by the Thai divers . 

[striderman]

2 minutes ago, Pheat said:

Sad to say but If he was that well trained he would have not died.

If the children are going to be dived out I really hope this is done by the foreign expert divers.

Not by the Thai divers . 

the brits have left

[Pheat]

1 minute ago, striderman said:

the brits have left

I saw on BBC this morning the Thai government have asked them to return to help out ASAP

[Just Browsing]

14 minutes ago, striderman said:

the brits have left

Fella, 1 70 year old guy who's been Cave diving since 1968 went home for a medical appointment because he'd done his job (Gave his 40-50 years experience to the guys who could go in there).

The 2 Brits that originally found the kids are still well & truly there & you can bet your bottom £ (Sorry guys, we are talking Brits here) that this guy is sat (in between his medical appointments, FFS the guy is 70 what do you expect) on the end of the phone waiting to see if he can be any more helpful.

 

As I've said, my heart bursts with pride at every nation that's showed up for this one...

 

[brutox]

1 hour ago, JB300 said:

 

... [Is it only me that tears up everytime I read an update on this story, I swear I was on a bus when I heard this news & was struggling to hold back the tears!!!]

 

You know, JB300, if a man has any empathy is his soul -- at all -- this will bring it out.

Who can look at the team photograph of the beaming, expectant faces of these young boys, and not feel it in their guts.

Who amongst us cannot identify with them? .. boys whose lives are all before them .. on a grand adventure together with their buddies .. their teammates .. privileged with the protection of their youthful innocence .. and now, laid claim to by unforgiving harsh reality, and in this case a potentially deadly one .. far too soon in their young lives.

I do not know about how others feel, but the image of their beautiful smiles, for which Thais are world renown, is everpresent throughout my day.

I knew I would not sleep the night they announced the lead rescue team was within 400 metres of Pattaya Beach .. my stomach knotted-up plenty.

I am growing that same way again .. my stomach is knotting, with the decision that they might choose to swim these young guys out of there.

Is it only you, JB300? .. um, no .. definately no .. count yourself amongst legions.