macbook pro vs the world

[DaffyDuck]

If it wasn't for folk taking the piss, there wouldn't be the demand for Adblock. From one of the more popular Thai forums ... 55 'kin ads on one page ....

Exactly!

 

I used to attempt to be responsible and whitelist certain site in order to 'allow' them to earn money from adverts -- and then more and more of them irresponsibly included ads that open pop-behinds, or pop-overs, or lots of other crap.

 

Finally, since these sites don't feel like treating their users responsibly and respectfully, I no longer have any patience with sites -- nowadays, EVERYONE and EVERYTHING gets blocked.

 

Sorry, but fuck 'em.

[DaffyDuck]

Hogwash! All I do is make sure it has good virus protection and be careful what I install. I always run on an administrator account and my desktop is on 24/7 connected to the internet. I only recently had an issue with a program that hijacked my browser. It took 5 minutes to fix and it was my first issues for perhaps 10 years.

 

IMO anyone who uses good virus protection and only installs programs from reliable sources will have no issues on Windows 7 or 8.

Again, I will repeat - your experience is atypical.

[Scumbag]

Again, I will repeat - your experience is atypical.

I guess you are the expert!..

[Woofiee]

I guess you are the expert!..

 

No, but as someone who develops corporate web applications and develops for iOS, he's correct - a far whack more than you. I've been developing one way or another since 1996, and his experience has been like mine - and our 60-person-strong company, where there's Windows machines for a couple Java devs and the office workers who need Word. Most of our devs who build for Android use Macs. All our web developers do as well, as well as Sesign and Sales. 

 

Golden rules? 

• Never run as admin - be a user, and then fewer bad things can happen. When some app wants your admin password to install, wonder why long and hard. 
• Encrypt your HD (one checkbox) and always put a secure password on your account (and disable auto login; what's the point of a password with the system exposed?)

Live and let live - some want to use Macs. Some Windows. Big deal - but never say Windows are more secure; that's just a lie. You have to be vigilant with Windows security.

 

With a Mac, you pretty much have to just follow those 2 rules. 

 

Skepticism is healthy, but pathological ignorance or   in place of reason is just asking for it. 

[DaffyDuck]

Thanks Woofie.

 

What always amuses is people arguing like scumbag about how they 'never' have problems - and then a quick run of hitman pro exposes that their machine is part of a hornet or they have a bunch of malware daemons running in the background and never knew it. ;-)

 

At the end of the day, Windows machines that I configured run safe and secure (mostly by disabling the admin account) - out of the box, they don't.

[Scumbag]

No, but as someone who develops corporate web applications and develops for iOS, he's correct - a far whack more than you.

So you think he is correct that Windows needs to be installed every 2 to 3 months as he stated? In a corporate environment in which I work we run only Windows machines (for a number of years I personally used 3 machines simultaneously) and they rarely need reinstalling even after years of use. That is the only thing that I have commented on as it is clearly incorrect.

 

Live and let live - some want to use Macs. Some Windows. Big deal - but never say Windows are more secure; that's just a lie.

That is my opinion as well but it seems that there is always someone who wants to come in and start making disparaging remarks about the other. Again I have not said anything about security of either, only that his comment (mentioned above) is incorrect.

[philkrenshaw]

Where I worked, and had to use Windows, it did not need to be reinstalled every 2 to 3 months (or even 2 to 3 years), but that was because I didn't have permission to do hardly anything on the machine. At one point, after they "did an upgrade" I had to call in and complain because I didn't even have permission to move a file from my desktop into a folder. And massive numbers of web sites were blocked by the company's network. This is far different than a private person with a home computer who can install what he wants and surf where he likes.

 

I never turned off my computer because Windows took too long to quit and to boot back up the next day. It got rebooted often enough just from the times it crashed on its own.

[Woofiee]

So you think he is correct that Windows needs to be installed every 2 to 3 months as he stated? In a corporate environment in which I work we run only Windows machines (for a number of years I personally used 3 machines simultaneously) and they rarely need reinstalling even after years of use. That is the only thing that I have commented on as it is clearly incorrect.

 

I did not address that - please respond to the things I write about, not other people. I think 2-3 months is extreme, but my person history with modern Windows stops at my Dell Inspirion running Vista, that piece of shit OS. I only owned that box for 1 week before it went back for a Macbook. 

 

I believe Daffy is referring to is "Windows Creep", a well-known issue with Windows slowing to a crawl over time. Then there's NT server issue where it needed to be rebooted every 45 days - services stopped running if it wasn't. Now you need to do patches constantly (at least every month) so reboots are more often, and that "bug" is now a feature. 

 

To be fair, I do reboot my desktop Mac once in a while - every few months perhaps, when there's a major system update or an application requires it. Even so, I don't get anywhere near the slowdowns I did being a Windows user and the infamous Mac "beachball of death" hasn't been seen here since OSX Leopard...(10.5? Like, 2007??)

[DaffyDuck]

In a corporate environment in which I work ...

... and now we discover that your sample is from a corporate environment, which is hardly the typical of home or personal users.

 

I would assume that you weren't aware of the corporate security policies or various lock-downs that corporate IT policies enforce on PCs, so I'll let that slide.

 

Again, as I pointed out - hardly a typical personal use situation. Nice moving the goalposts, though...

[DaffyDuck]

So you think he is correct that Windows needs to be installed every 2 to 3 months as he stated?

I stated that they did it every 3-4 months - but why stop now with misrepresentations, right?

 

The ones why did this have told me they are doing so to be 'proactive' and keep their machine running well, without waiting for it to *need* it. Still, the time frame is typical for the time when personal Windows machines become messed up.

[Scumbag]

I did not address that - please respond to the things I write about, not other people. I think 2-3 months is extreme, but my person history with modern Windows stops at my Dell Inspirion running Vista, that piece of shit OS. I only owned that box for 1 week before it went back for a Macbook. 

 

I believe Daffy is referring to is "Windows Creep", a well-known issue with Windows slowing to a crawl over time. Then there's NT server issue where it needed to be rebooted every 45 days - services stopped running if it wasn't. Now you need to do patches constantly (at least every month) so reboots are more often, and that "bug" is now a feature. 

 

To be fair, I do reboot my desktop Mac once in a while - every few months perhaps, when there's a major system update or an application requires it. Even so, I don't get anywhere near the slowdowns I did being a Windows user and the infamous Mac "beachball of death" hasn't been seen here since OSX Leopard...(10.5? Like, 2007??)

I was just clarifying where I was coming from as you answered my post and appeared to be answering what I had been commenting on.

 

Yes Vista was a piece of shit and everyone knows it. I bought a new computer with it on and had to revert to XP. After that I had no issues.

[nixonsbest]

Which is best for downloading and watching porn?  I find "you porn" the best on my Ipad and macbook but find pornplus better on my windows desktop?  Any thoughts?

[Scumbag]

... and now we discover that your sample is from a corporate environment, which is hardly the typical of home or personal users.

 

I would assume that you weren't aware of the corporate security policies or various lock-downs that corporate IT policies enforce on PCs, so I'll let that slide.

 

Again, as I pointed out - hardly a typical personal use situation. Nice moving the goalposts, though...

Your statement was that all Windows machines had to have the OS reinstalled every 3 to 4 months (sorry about 'mis-representing' you it in my previous post. It was not intentional). While I use windows machines at work I have a desktop at home, a laptop when travelling and my wife also has a laptop. None of these machines require re-installations every 3 to 4 months. Other than one friend (who installs all sorts of shit) none have mentioned that they have to regularly re-install Windows. This also goes for my step-mother, sister and brother of whom none know a hard drive from a video card. Most of my experience with computers has been outside of the work environment so stop making assumptions.

 

I am going to bite my lip now and finish with this crap.

[zonnk]

Thanks for the debate guys. Gloves were thrown from the heavy handed, OP (me) is a little bit wiser and we all get to have a cold beer at the end of it.

[apter]

There's a lot to be said for choice and we've certainly got plenty of choice.

 

I started out with 8080 / 8088 machine code. Back in the day we had programming languages that couldn't handle fractions. Look it up, Cupl.

 

The first PC I ever bought was a 286 machine, 16MHz, 1MB of RAM. Cost over £2,500. Can't remember the Windows version but to install anything you had to edit the ini file and we actually used it for graphics with Corel Draw. Animations were done on an Amiga, probably my favourite machine ever.

 

Macs are great machines. My i7 Windows laptop is a great machine as well. Windows based systems need configuring and the right combination of software to keep the badies out. Macs are less vulnerable to malware and viruses but they can be infected. OSX does include a quarantine feature now so the possibility is there. Linux is harder to crack but not impossible.

 

Is one better than the other? I'm not really that interested in which is better or worse. The best machine is the one that gets the job done.

[DaffyDuck]

The point is - of course most Windows users do not reinstall every 3-4 months. They don't know how to, and most users don't care until their systems gave hopelessly gone to hell. Most Windows users have come to accept the invariable slowdowns as 'just the way Windows is'.

[jacobkane]

If you like Apple's design and do not want to adjust to a new Operation System, you can easily install Windows on any new Mac, using the integrated software 'Boot Camp'. I did it for my girlfriend and it was a walk in the park. You can also keep the Apple System as a second option and decide which one you wish to use on every startup.

Nowadays, the chip architecture of a Mac is the same as on a Windows-Laptop. The only difference is the Operation System.