Lifan dirtbikes

[jerry]

Does anyone know if there's a dealer of Lifan Dirtbikes in or near Pattaya .

The closest one i can find is Chonburi but when there's one closer please let me know .

 

Looking at Thaivisa , some guys had bought a Lifan LF200GY 5 . A good looking Chinese/Thai dirtbike based on a older Honda model .

These guys where very positive about it . Lifan is producing it also for the American market , so the quality must be up to certain

standards , i guess . For 45.000 baht it looked like a very good deal .

As i'm living just outside town , i'm getting a little bit bored with the Airblade , this looks like fun driving .

[Edge]

It certainly looks interesting - even more so the 250 version with uprated running gear at maybe 76k.

 

The trouble is, looking through those 2 thaivisa threads, it seems to be something of a mirage, even though there's supposed to be a factory here somewhere.

 

If I could get good reliable directions and I thought there was a bike there I'd go to Chonburi and have a look.

[Bagwan]

Don't waste your money on this piece of sh1te...Buy a Dtracker.

[jerry]

Don't waste your money on this piece of sh1te...Buy a Dtracker.

 

D tracker 125 -- 80.000 and to small ( ask Dom )

D tracker 250 -- 150.000 that's over 3 times the price of a Lifan .

 

For the 45K it looked like a nice bike though when there's no dealer in Pattaya it will be a pain if you have to

go to Chonburi for every little problem .

 

You got experience with the Lifan , or because it's made in China/Thailand you suppose it's crap ?

I did see , in another post , you are interested in a Dtracker 250 also , maybe we can get a discount when we buy 2 .

The money can't be the problem now you sold the house .

[Beach road__ #1 Fan]

Chonburi is just next door, many people buy from there, as it's normally cheaper.

 

By the way, if any one wants any parts for Harley-Davidson , just mail me. I Import into Thailand every month, so I can supply as much as you can need.

[gogo dog]

Don't waste your money on this piece of sh1te...Buy a Dtracker.

 

Don't waste your money on this piece of sh1te...Buy a KTM.

[Edge]

Don't waste your money on this piece of sh1te...Buy a KTM.

 

Yeh, good idea, c. 650,000 Baht last time I looked.

 

I'd need to sell my soul as well as my house.

[Edge]

Don't waste your money on this piece of sh1te...Buy a Dtracker.

 

D tracker 125 -- 80.000 and to small ( ask Dom )

D tracker 250 -- 150.000 that's over 3 times the price of a Lifan .

 

For the 45K it looked like a nice bike though when there's no dealer in Pattaya it will be a pain if you have to

go to Chonburi for every little problem .

 

You got experience with the Lifan , or because it's made in China/Thailand you suppose it's crap ?

I did see , in another post , you are interested in a Dtracker 250 also , maybe we can get a discount when we buy 2 .

The money can't be the problem now you sold the house .

 

First of all, I probably will buy the D-Tracker and if the miserable sods had agreed to give me a free rear rack I'd have bought one Thursday.

I'm currently confused by this fluid on my hip from my accident. I've had it drained twice but it just fills up again - chipped bone probably. I need to go to Cambodia before 28th and I want to go on the X1R, but if it doesn't go down soon that's doubtful (yes I know about the border probs).

 

Secondly, I am not talking about the bike Jerry has pictured. It may be cruel to call it a "piece of shite" as at 46k it is perhaps a good buy. I gather they use older Honda engine design.

 

The bike I'm talking about (Lifan LF250GY-7) is likely to cost 75-100k and looks like this.

I don't think it looks like a piece of shite :-

 

 

 

The thread I've been looking at is probably different to the one Jerry read.

Some posts lifted:-

 

Yes, Lifan is building a dealer network in Thailand relatively quickly, they have the right plan and financial commitment to make even the biggest dealers think about it. Last time I spoke with somebody from Lifan about dealers they suggested that they had currently around 200 dealers in the country.

 

Lifan opened a new factoring location in Thailand and we soon "hopefully" can even see the benefits of that in the 250cc enduro and mot

 

In Bangkok I have no idea about a dealer, but you can always visit Lifan Bangkok sales office. They located in Rama 2 Rd. Soi Thakam**, and they have a small showroom. If you go on Saturday, you have the best chance to meet a guy who actually can speak English. On other days, it can be difficult as most in the office speak Chinese. O and before anybody ask about the price of the Lifan LF250-B its 76,000 Baht not sure if that is or excluded the 600 Baht registration fee and basic (by law needed) insurance of 145 Baht...So it is possible that it is 76,745 Baht

ard market.

 

Yes, we are testing the Lifan LF250GY-7, we also have a few more models. Which look very promising, for the price it will likely not pass the 100,000 Bht mark. And suspension is done by a "famous" name (?Showa?) in motorcycle suspension.

 

The engine is restricted to pass the emission tests, but the LF250GY-7 being a carburettor motorcycle this restrictions are easily disabled.

 

The 5-speed gear box has a perfect gear ratio, and with its high torque it's a pleasure to ride. We compared the 5-speed Lifan gearbox with the 6-speed Kawasaki KLX250 and we found that it is not necessary to change gear that much in traffic. This is of course because the Lifan 250cc has more torque then the Kawasaki.

 

P.S. I do not work for Lifan, it's only that I see a lot of all new motorcycles that enter the country.

 

If we compare the Kawasaki KLX250/D-tracker 250 to the Lifan in standard form:

Lifan LF250GY-7

Brute Horsepower 17.70

Torque 19 N.m

 

Kawasaki KLX/D-Tracker 250

Brute Horsepower 22

Torque 15.2 N.m

 

We can remove the restriction by simple using a screwdriver without adding any cost. The horsepower then jumps to nearly 32 hp. Because the Lifan is a carburettor motorcycle we can even exchange the needles or replace the carburettor completely. Do less restricted exhaust pipes..etc.. all very easy and all within a not to high budget.

 

It is far to say that you can also remove the restriction on the Kawasaki's this seems to cost money. And after the jump to 32 hp you need to start spending good amounts of money to get even more out of the bike...

 

Posted 2010-05-05 08:36:02

Yes, the motorcycle is capable to give 32 hp with not using much more then a screwdriver. You likely to get even more out of the bike if you start playing with needles, airfilters and the exhaust.

 

The Lifan Lf250GY-7 is currently not for sale in Thailand, we doing some testing on the bikes. They could be available in November/December, but I not work for Lifan and have completely no influence on them.

 

The Lifan LF250GY-7 will likely not make it on the market in Thailand this year. Or it would be possible that they will introduce it at the end of this year, but that chance is small...

[Bagwan]

First of all, I probably will buy the D-Tracker and if the miserable sods had agreed to give me a free rear rack I'd have bought one Thursday.

I'm currently confused by this fluid on my hip from my accident. I've had it drained twice but it just fills up again - chipped bone probably. I need to go to Cambodia before 28th and I want to go on the X1R, but if it doesn't go down soon that's doubtful (yes I know about the border probs).

 

Secondly, I am not talking about the bike Jerry has pictured. It may be cruel to call it a "piece of shite" as at 46k it is perhaps a good buy. I gather they use older Honda engine design.

 

The bike I'm talking about (Lifan LF250GY-7) is likely to cost 75-100k and looks like this.

I don't think it looks like a piece of shite :-

 

 

 

The thread I've been looking at is probably different to the one Jerry read.

Some posts lifted:-

 

 

 

 

 

But let's face it Once you have bought it it's gonna be worthless!

[Bagwan]

D tracker 125 -- 80.000 and to small ( ask Dom )

D tracker 250 -- 150.000 that's over 3 times the price of a Lifan .

 

For the 45K it looked like a nice bike though when there's no dealer in Pattaya it will be a pain if you have to

go to Chonburi for every little problem .

 

You got experience with the Lifan , or because it's made in China/Thailand you suppose it's crap ?

I did see , in another post , you are interested in a Dtracker 250 also , maybe we can get a discount when we buy 2 .

The money can't be the problem now you sold the house .

 

D tracker would be fine for gogo dog with his little legs

 

Speak to Edge about getting a discount! ZERO chance.

 

Plus no money left now.......It's all gone to the sick buffalo fund

[Edge]

But let's face it Once you have bought it it's gonna be worthless!

 

I suspect you're close to right.

 

Probably I just have too much time and I was curious.

 

It will have to be the D-Tracker - with a free 200 Baht helmet if I'm lucky.

 

Then the 'project' begins.

Sort the seat.

Fit S/S rear rack and engine savers.

De-restrict and screw the Warranty.

Mod the airbox and exhaust.

Change the sprocket/s.

Juice Box?

Big(ger) Bore kit - probably not.

 

The Garmin 60 CSx is coming with Leadpencil next month.

I need to work out how to get a Motobin box here, but it'll probably wait until I go back in July.

A cheapish looking imported equivalent here is twice the price at 20k.

The Motobin looks a lot better for getting the pizza home.

Should be all good to go by the time I get the Green Book.

[Bam_Bam]

Recently while I was up in Nong Bhu Lam Phu I noticed that most of the newer saam lor's (crappy little 3 wheeled taxi) had Lifan engines in them.

 

In case no one bothered to look here's the website address for Lifan Thailand, there is a list of dealers on the website, but only in Thai.

 

http://www.lifanth.com/

 

The LF250-B cruiser is an interesting looking bike, let down by a top speed of 100kmh though.

 

Bam Bam

[stillakid]

Don't waste your money on this piece of sh1te...Buy a KTM.

True, true. KTM's a world class bike. But -- better to step up to a Husqvarna. For those Japanese bike riders, that Husky will be something really exciting and powerful between your legs! No insults meant though. To each his/her own. In the USA, European bikes are not that much more expensive than Japanese.

 

Motor-on:

 

Stillakid, Proud Husqvarna Owner many times over

[Benny10]

Don't waste your money on this piece of sh1te...Buy a KTM.

Totally agree, a KTM will never let you down.

Edited February 14, 2011 by Benny10

[Edge]

Sadly, I believe both attract the maximum Import Duty which makes them effectively unavailable here.

[layow]

some one mention huskies?

pure vintage class....well pre 80 class, a great bike to race/ride and own

extra tough because i put black mud guards/fenders in place of the white ones...haha

 

raced a mates TE 610 back in the late 90's a few times

open the throttle and hold on

like a run away train, you couldn't turn it!

 

had one of these for awhile too though a 2fidy

 

trying to find a pic of their latest race team bike...wow

[LazyJay]

Sadly, I believe both attract the maximum Import Duty which makes them effectively unavailable here.

 

KTM has a factory in India and Thailand has a free trade agreement with India that includes bikes under 250cc so as long as they can get past the emission regulations no reason why smaller KTM's have to be silly money.

 

cheers

Edited February 14, 2011 by jaylovely1980

[Edge]

KTM has a factory in India and Thailand has a free trade agreement with India that includes bikes under 250cc so as long as they can get past the emission regulations no reason why smaller KTM's have to be silly money.

 

cheers

 

I confess I don't know the intricacies of the Free Trade Agreement and what it might mean for the future import of motorcycles.

Neither do I know how the KTM manufacturing is set up in India. It may not be that simple.

 

Kawasaki are way ahead of anyone else in this particular market in terms of dealer network and spares availability.

I think that's why there was some interest in Lifan as they seemed to at least be on the same path.

 

There once were reports that MuZ / MZ were to be reincarnated in Mayaysia and that the Baghira (Yamaha XTZ660 uprated) was to somehow become available here. Now that would have been a bike worth buying.

 

[Bam_Bam]

I confess I don't know the intricacies of the Free Trade Agreement and what it might mean for the future import of motorcycles.

Neither do I know how the KTM manufacturing is set up in India. It may not be that simple.

 

There has been an FTA in place between Thailand and Australia for quite a while, much longer than the current ASEAN FTA.

 

I looked into it a while back and I am assuming that the ASEAN FTA would be pretty much the same, the product, whatever it is, must be wholly made in the country it is being imported from, it may however contain 10% components from a different origin.

 

Saying that it is made in a particular country doesn't quite cover it, as even the raw materials come into the equation, for instance I was manufacturing Brass Fittings in Australia, but the Bar Stock was coming out of Korea, in that instance, they do not pass the Made In Australia test as far as an FTA is concerned, the only way to get that to even get close, would be to prove that the ingredients in the Bar Stock, were all mined in Australia and only milled in Korea, never going to be able to prove that.

 

So in a nutshell, if the engines were coming in from KTM's home factories and only the frames and the rest of the bike was made and assembled in India, it would not fit into the FTA, the engine comprises more than 10% of the bike.

 

Then again there is still a loop hole in there, if the bikes where imported minus the engine, they would fall into the FTA rules, then only the engines would be taxed as not being part of the FTA.

 

Hope that all makes sense to you.

 

 

Bam Bam

[billybob69]

Totally agree, a KTM will never let you down.

 

Although the owners of KTM didn't think that the bikes that they built were reliable enough to allow two British actors to ride them around the world............

 

If you do buy a Chinese trail / supermoto bike I would be interested in your feedback.

In the UK the Chinese bikes have a terrible reputation for reliability and build quality, so would be interesting to read feedback from someone who actually owns one.

 

bb69

[Benny10]

Although the owners of KTM didn't think that the bikes that they built were reliable enough to allow two British actors to ride them around the world............

 

 

KTM (Kronreif & Trunkenpolz Mattighofen) is based about 50 kms from my hometown, and it is most commonly known for its off road motorcycles though in recent years it has expanded into street motorcycle production.

 

 

Just to put things into the right light:

 

McGregor advocated riding BMW motorcycles, while Boorman preferred KTM, a specialist Austrian motocross and off-road bike manufacturer. They had also considered Honda bikes. After off-road tests on the KTM and BMW machines, McGregor acquiesced to Boorman's passion for the KTM. However, after one of their specialist terrain riders met with the LWR team and learned more about their intentions, KTM ultimately declined to provide them with their bikes, citing concerns that the team might fail. Boorman took the news badly as he had been particularly attached to the idea of riding a KTM motorcycle on such a journey. Later Boorman commented “If we were going completely off road then we would opt for a KTM but we are going to spend 70 per cent of the time on roads, so the BMW wins”.

 

BMW then contributed three BMW R1150GS Adventure all-terrain motorcycles. The bikes featured a range of modifications to help the team achieve and document their mission. The bikes were also equipped with cameras, microphones and display / viewfinder screens mounted on the dashboards. A customised GPS system with specially mapped waypoints in Mongolia and Siberia was crucial in areas with no roads or signposting.

 

Source: www.adventuremotorcyclenews.com

 

Sometimes it might be better to pull out if you’re not 100 % convinced that your product meets your client’s requirements, before some serious damage is done. For example.

[Edge]

Although the owners of KTM didn't think that the bikes that they built were reliable enough to allow two British actors to ride them around the world............

........................

 

It wasn't a Q of KTM doubting their machinery. Having assessed them, they doubted the riders' capabilities.

 

...................................

McGregor advocated riding BMW motorcycles, while Boorman preferred KTM, ............................

.... KTM ultimately declined to provide them with their bikes, citing concerns that the team might fail. Boorman took the news badly as he had been particularly attached to the idea of riding a KTM motorcycle on such a journey. ...........

 

I remember Boorman was devastated when KTM turned them down on the grounds that the riders were not capable of completing the journey and were concerned that it would reflect badly on the bikes.

 

I wonder how much that decision cost KTM in terms of potential sales as a result of the TV series and DVDs.

I suppose BMW might be able to give them an idea.

[billybob69]

Just to put things into the right light:

 

However, after one of their specialist terrain riders met with the LWR team and learned more about their intentions, KTM ultimately declined to provide them with their bikes, citing concerns that the team might fail.

 

I thought that my post might provoke a reply. I live in “Enduro country”, therefore it seems like every other bike is an orange and that it is almost heresy to speak ill of KTM.

 

I’ve read KTM’s explanation of why they didn’t give the bikes before.

I still think that Mr KTM’s looked at it from a mechanical point of view and honestly thought that their bikes weren’t up to the trip (and to be fair they were right, the BMW’s didn’t end the trip without needing repairs either) and chickened out.

 

However they completely missed the opportunity - here was six hours of free advertising for their bikes. Nobody would have thought any worse of the company if ‘Charlie McGregor’ failed on KTM’s; all the documentary would have shown was a couple of complete amateurs riding motorbikes in places where motorbikes aren’t supposed to go i.e. through deep rivers on the road of bones.

 

The outcome of this is that sales of BMW’s soared after the series, and anyone who is considering buying an ‘adventure tourer’ is subconsciously thinking, “I only want it for a weekend trip to France, but I know that a BMW could go around the world if I wanted it to”.

My dream is to do a long-haul motorbike trip to SE Asia. One day when I pull into Pattaya after several weeks in the saddle, I know full well it will be on a GS………

[Edge]

I thought that my post might provoke a reply.

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I’ve read KTM’s explanation of why they didn’t give the bikes before.

I still think .........................

 

...........‘Charlie McGregor’ ..............

 

If you have read KTM's explanation and IF you watched the episode when they turned them down and saw Charlie Boorman's reaction, then I don't think there would be any need for you to "still think" much at all.

 

"Charlie McGregor" lol - says it all.

[billybob69]

If you have read KTM's explanation and IF you watched the episode when they turned them down and saw Charlie Boorman's reaction, then I don't think there would be any need for you to "still think" much at all.

 

What’s your point?

 

I’ve pointed out that KTM were right in their factual analysis – they didn’t think they ‘Charley McGregor’ * could ride bikes around the world – and they were right - the BMW needed repairing and there were bits of the journey where they couldn’t ride and had to load their bikes in the back of trucks etc.

As Boorman said when he heard the news that KTM wouldn’t give them the bikes “it’s supposed to be an adventure” and that’s what KTM totally missed; it’s an adventure on motorbikes, through gruelling terrain with priceless advertising for the suppliers. Whether or not they completed it or the bikes hung together became almost immaterial. BMW realised that and have since reaped the benefits.

 

 

"Charlie McGregor" lol - says it all.

 

* From your reply, it appears that your not aware of the impact that this documentary had on the hobby of ‘motorcycle adventurer touring’. In particular it encouraged many people to take up the hobby for the first time. Many of these people, had limited experience of off-road motorcycling and rode brand new BMW’s. People such as these were dubbed as a “Charley McGregor” by those with more experience in the hobby.