Bloody Devils den

[Cerberus]

Someone on another international forum recently made up a thread as to how the Den is set on invasion of your privacy. I have yet to be given access to that forum so thought I would address it in part here on Addicts, knowing that way it will get back there.

 

The gist of the thread was that if you are making an out-call booking by telephone we are too invasive in the information we require, so what do we ask for?

 

Once you have identified who, (which Lady (s)) and when, (Time, day, duration) we will ask you for:

1. The name of your hotel

2. Your full name that you registered with when booking into the hotel.

3. The room number

 

Closer to the appointment time we will call the hotel and ask to be connected to your room using the name you gave us. What does this do for us?

 

1. We now know you exist and are not just a muppet

2. We know that the name you gave us is the one under which you did register and therefore the hotel will have your full details should something untoward take place between you and the lady visiting you.

3. We have confirmed the room number so that the escort does not turn up at some married couple with kid’s room.

 

Some folks refuse to give us such details, not a problem that is their choice and our choice is then to not offer service. We are sending ladies out to gentlemen to provide a personal but discrete service. However it is also our duty to go as far as we can in ensuring our staffs safety. If we are unable to verify who you are and where you are staying we will not provide service. I make no apologies for this and we do not deviate from it.

 

I am aware that this is Pattaya, that means nothing as far as we are concerned. We do not see our role as one of matching others but exceeding all, that goes for our staff safety as well as our customers.

 

So what information do we keep on our customers, nothing, to all intent and purposes. Ask to look at our computer you will find only the programs it came with when it arrived from the shop. Our website is exactly as you see it. What customer information there is from bookings is kept, whilst needed, in a secure location not accessible and is not shared with anyone for any reason.

 

So, if this is a security measure why do we ask for similar information when someone is making an in-house booking? Again it is for solid reasons, when a lady is booked, firstly she must turn down all other request, not just the booking period but for the 2 hours before it also. Hence if you make a booking for 2 imps in-house for 3pm, they are not available for any other customer from 1pm or after.

 

Should you then not turn up or bother to inform us of a cancellation the ladies concerned have just given up a minimum of 15% of their working day for which they have lost all chance of earning income. By having your details we are able to call you shortly before and re-confirm your booking, ensuring you are not disappointed and that we have acted fairly to the Imps

Edited September 23, 2010 by Cerberus

[murr-man]

Someone on another international forum recently made up a thread as to how the Den is set on invasion of your privacy. I have yet to be given access to that forum so thought I would address it in part here on Addicts, knowing that way it will get back there.

 

The gist of the thread was that if you are making an out-call booking by telephone we are too invasive in the information we require, so what do we ask for?

 

Once you have identified who, (which Lady (s)) and when, (Time, day, duration) we will ask you for:

1. The name of your Hotel

2. Your full name that you registered with when booking into the hotel.

3. The room number

 

Closer to the appointment time we will call the hotel and ask to be connected to your room using the name you gave us. What does this do for us?

 

1. We now know you exist and are not just a muppet

2. We know that the name you gave us is the one under which you did register and therefore the Hotel will have your full details should something untoward take place between you and the lady visiting you.

3. We have confirmed the room number so that the escort does not turn up at some married couple with kid’s room.

 

Some folks refuse to give us such details, not a problem that is their choice and our choice is then to not offer service. We are sending ladies out to gentlemen to provide a personal but discrete service. However it is also our duty to go as far as we can in ensuring our staffs safety. If we are unable to verify who you are and where you are staying we will not provide service. I make no apologies for this and we do not deviate from it.

 

I am aware that this is Pattaya, that means nothing as far as we are concerned. We do not see our role as one of matching others but exceeding all, that goes for our staff safety as well as our customers.

 

So what information do we keep on our customers, nothing, to all intent and purposes. Ask to look at our computer you will find only the programs it came with when it arrived from the shop. Our website is exactly as you see it. What customer information there is from bookings is kept, whilst needed, in a secure location not accessible and is not shared with anyone for any reason.

 

So, if this is a security measure why do we ask for similar information when someone is making an in-house booking? Again it is for solid reasons, when a lady is booked, firstly she must turn down all other request, not just the booking period but for the 2 hours before it also. Hence if you make a booking for 2 imps in-house for 3pm, they are not available for any other customer from 1pm or after.

 

Should you then not turn up or bother to inform us of a cancellation the ladies concerned have just given up a minimum of 15% of their working day for which they have lost all chance of earning income. By having your details we are able to call you shortly before and re-confirm your booking, ensuring you are not disappointed and that we have acted fairly to the Imps

 

Well put. Lay the smackdown on sorry-ass trolls. If somebody is scared about their full name that is stupid, if it was social security number, date of birth, something like that I would understand....but name....come on....

[Benny10]

Sounds fair enough to me.

 

Any limousine service in LOS asks for more details in order to secure their business.

[Daryle]

Sounds ok if you want the western style outcall service..... Me, I keep below the radar. Not that I have any thing to hide, just know Thailand after been here a few years and better to keep to yourself and not flash the cash or your location around. Seen to many guys come off second best when they let there guard down.

[probe]

@Cerberus,

 

You have a well known and very successful business. With this often comes imitation, jealousy and attacks from competitors as well as idiots with nothing better to do. I think your policies are straightforward, non-intrusive and serve a very good purpose. The policies not only protect the ladies, but give security to the client as well since your staff knows where the appointment takes place. I see no problem with your policies.

 

Thanks for the info on the 2 hour "cooling off" period. I think that's a brilliant idea. Would that other establishments adopt this policy.

[Bakwan]

Sounds ok if you want the western style outcall service..... Me, I keep below the radar. Not that I have any thing to hide, just know Thailand after been here a few years and better to keep to yourself and not flash the cash or your location around. Seen to many guys come off second best when they let there guard down.

 

I respect your concern, Daryle. But, believe me, Devil's Den is NOT Thailand! I know of no other place with a higher level of integrity and trustworthiness. If I'm willing to trust the U.S. Internal Revenue Service (tax collector for the United States) with my personal information, I can certainly trust Devil's Den. I have much greater trust in Devil's Den.

 

By the way, I have no connection with Devil's Den other than that I'm a VERY Satisfied (pun intended) customer.

 

Bakwan

[blue1878]

Cerberus a very fair set of rules.

 

The girls safety is very important and also why should the girl or girls loose out money wise. I work to earn a living and so do the girls

 

 

[Mr David]

All seems pretty straight forward to me.

 

As for others wanting to 'keep under the radar', once you take any girl back to your hotel she will have your name, room number and probably your phone number so I can't really see what the difference is apart from a responsible employer making sure both his employees and customers are well looked after.

 

Keep it up.

[kuffki]

I do not see a problem checking the information. I guess possibly which i doubt but may be what some people worry about is hotel having to know what they up to, but its not like you tell hotel staff who you are and why you calling.

 

Girls also have the right to be safe

 

PS. All those complaining about this clearly have some issues, so no biggy not to have them as a customer.But should someone really be a pest,i would ask them to pay full amount up front by credit card prior to escort going out.

 

PPS. One question though, what and how would you check if an expat makes a booking or someone stating in condo, not hotel and the out call is to his house/condo?

[Shuggy]

No matter what you do you will always get some plonker who will complain about it. The fact that they have chosen to put the post on a board that they know you dont have access to shows the level of people you are dealing with.

 

The girls are fairly safe in the Den but with the outcall thier safety must be an absolute priority. For some tool not to understand that is laughable and IMHO shows that they are talking shite and trolling.

[murtle71]

i cant believe you want to know what motel to sent the girls to, that is just outrageous.......

[ToraTora]

i cant believe you want to know what motel to sent the girls to, that is just outrageous.......

 

I am a bit confuse here. If they don't know what motel/hotel, how are they going to send the girl to the right place and where to pick them up later.

 

I think it's fair for business owner to make such fair policy to ensure the safety of their staff.

[Shalashaska]

Fairly certain that was meant as sarcasm...

[Cerberus]

 

 

PPS. One question though, what and how would you check if an expat makes a booking or someone stating in condo, not hotel and the out call is to his house/condo?

 

You are right kuffki and yes we do have another set of SOP's for those eventualities as well which includes the guy calling into the club if it is his first booking with us. Some houses can be difficult to find and then there is the availability of transportation when the booking is finished which also has to be considered, yes there is an SOP for that

 

To be fair in three and a half years we have only had the one incident, but that is one to many for us. It was not a major one and the girl was compensated beyond the level of the incident itself, as a lesson to the guy. I would blame nobody but myself if there were another, hence the SOP's.

 

The bottom line is, if there is any doubt, even .05% no booking.

[Alleycat]

That you put the girl's safety above financial gain is hugely commendable. I know you love the girls as family and treat them accordingly. Actually your attitude toward them is a testament to the high integrity you aspire to in all aspects of your life and I can think of no one that I would feel safer with in business or otherwise.

[Garzan]

 

Once you have identified who, (which Lady (s)) and when, (Time, day, duration) we will ask you for:

1. The name of your Hotel

2. Your full name that you registered with when booking into the hotel.

3. The room number

 

 

At the start of reading this, I thought there was going to be something out of the ordinary that you were asking for. What you're actually asking for seems so minimal, especially considering the enormous leap of faith an Imp is taking to show up at a hotel room for someone, where neither she, nor you, have had the opportunity for evaluating the customer.

 

I may be overly cautious, but if I were fortunate enough to be doing an outcall (preferably an overnighter) with one of the Imps, I'd want to stop by earlier in the day and have a beverage and some conversation. Seems like the important visit would go so much better if you took the time to meet the Imp first, and establish that you 'click' with each other. Rapport works both ways, and in my opinion, goes a long way to making a great encounter become an awesome encounter.

[bigjimslay]

Sounds ok if you want the western style outcall service..... Me, I keep below the radar. Not that I have any thing to hide, just know Thailand after been here a few years and better to keep to yourself and not flash the cash or your location around. Seen to many guys come off second best when they let there guard down.

 

How is taking an outcall booking, giving your name, & room number related to flashing cash???? I would think you would be taking a bigger chance by taking a Freelancer, Beer Bar girl, or Gogo girl to you room for a short time than dealing with a well known establishment with high markings for integrity. I mean, if shit comes up missing or you get your front door kicked in by a motorcycle taxi gang, who you going to call????

 

Invasion of privacy? Not by a long shot. You get more invasion of privacy at a ATM, there are cameras taking your picture everytime you withdraw money, thus giving up your location, a minimum amount of money you are carrying, and a current photograph!

[vitiate]

I think your requirements are more than reasonable. In my 3 trips to Pattaya, I haven't had the pleasure of utilizing DD's services. However, after reading about what great care you take of your girls AND customers - I'll definitely be making a booking next trip.

[beeline]

When I booked 2 imps last year it did freak me for a moment when you (I think) asked my name. Don't get me wrong, I understand (now) why it is necessary but for that split second I felt a bit awkward (for want of a better word). It's not something I was used to being asked in Thailand regards P4P. Perhaps be ready to offer a brief explanation regards why you ask if someone hesitates?

[Cerberus]

When I booked 2 imps last year it did freak me for a moment when you (I think) asked my name. Don't get me wrong, I understand (now) why it is necessary but for that split second I felt a bit awkward (for want of a better word). It's not something I was used to being asked in Thailand regards P4P. Perhaps be ready to offer a brief explanation regards why you ask if someone hesitates?

 

I hear you, and am sorry we went about it in a way that made you uncomfortable. That was/is not our intention I guess we are rowing upstream and that sometimes leads to a bow-wave, we are always happy to explain why we require certain things though

 

Guys I was aware that most would understand our SOP I was just trying to get a response out there until such times as that forum gives me access.

[juniordk]

Someone on another international forum recently made up a thread as to how the Den is set on invasion of your privacy. I have yet to be given access to that forum so thought I would address it in part here on Addicts, knowing that way it will get back there.

 

 

Hi Cerberus,

 

If I recall it was posted on the internationalsexguide forum. If this is correct I am happy to post your reply for you using membership name "junior".

 

Juniordk

[Cerberus]

Hi Cerberus,

 

If I recall it was posted on the internationalsexguide forum. If this is correct I am happy to post your reply for you using membership name "junior".

 

Juniordk

 

Hi mate, you are right that was the forum, thank you for your offer. I believe using what would in effect a third party could muddy the water though. He used our policy IMO to attack us unfairly, what he failed to explain was that we found him questionable in that he was evasive and was therefore requested that should he want service he was required to call into the club to verify who he said he was, he declined to do so! I make no apology for my colleagues actions, if you are making a booking either in-house or for out-call and are evasive when asked the simplest questions then you must expect to be treated as if you have something to hide.

 

I was not surprised though, that someone unwilling to call in the club too verify himself would then start such a thread from behind a keyboard however many 1,000 of Miles away

 

Again thank you for your offer.

[Tatanka]

Erm...let me think.

 

1. prostitution is illegal in Thailand

2. you put down my name somewhere in your administration

3. you place is raided twice because of number 1

 

Need I say more

[Cerberus]

Erm...let me think.

 

1. prostitution is illegal in Thailand

2. you put down my name somewhere in your administration

3. you place is raided twice because of number 1

 

Need I say more

 

You need say nothing! You might like to improve your reading skills and comprehension though

[Tatanka]

You need say nothing! You might like to improve your reading skills and comprehension though

I am perfectly aware of what you stated in your OP my Ethiopian friend