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One misstep was a failure of long-term thinking. During the good years, neither Abhisit’s Democrat Party nor Thaksin’s Thai Rak Thai Party, which first took power in 2001, invested enough in overhauling an archaic education system, which emphasizes basic literacy and rote memorization.

 

Thailand’s scores on the TOEFL exam, the test of English skills for students heading to university, now consistently rank among the lowest in Asia

 

I've heard it said that they think of their language same same the French, a little too proud.

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When i was snowboarding in france i was told that only approx 20% of music on the radio was allowed to be in english language.

And also something about it not being allowed to be taught in there schools unless it is opted for by the student later on in there schooling term. How true this is i'm not sure but i was told it was something to do with the french prime minister having some sort of grudge.

All seems a bit strange to me as i'm sure having a second language is a benefit in life..

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One misstep was a failure of long-term thinking. During the good years, neither Abhisit’s Democrat Party nor Thaksin’s Thai Rak Thai Party, which first took power in 2001, invested enough in overhauling an archaic education system, which emphasizes basic literacy and rote memorization.

 

Thailand’s scores on the TOEFL exam, the test of English skills for students heading to university, now consistently rank among the lowest in Asia

 

I've heard it said that they think of their language same same the French, a little too proud.

 

You have to have English skills in this world. America has done a lot to make that so, especially with their dominance of satellite TV and film. Academics call the dominance 'cultural capital'. The Thais are doing well in many aspects, but I bet the most successful have very good English skills. Would be interesting to see what their IELTS scores are like (similar to TOEFL).

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I spent many years working in education in Thailand and found Thais extremely difficult to teach in terms of getting results from them. It's my belief that they don't really want to learn English, generally they have no interest. Yes, they'll say that they need it for their careers but that's not the same has having a strong interest and a big Desire to learn. Furthermore once students leave the English classromm that's it. English stops dead. From then on until the next English lesson it's Thai talk, Thai TV, Thai-Thai-Thai. I've taught Thais from all walks of life and the fastest improvements I ever saw in students was with the bargals, many of whom were very poorly educated in their own language. But they had two advantages over the high school & uni students - 1) They had a strong Desire to learn English; there livings depended on it. 2) They had many opportunities to converse and practise their English with farangs.

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When i was snowboarding in france i was told that only approx 20% of music on the radio was allowed to be in english language.

And also something about it not being allowed to be taught in there schools unless it is opted for by the student later on in there schooling term. How true this is i'm not sure but i was told it was something to do with the french prime minister having some sort of grudge.

All seems a bit strange to me as i'm sure having a second language is a benefit in life..

 

I have to disagree. So I need to develop on that.

 

1) There's a quota of French music that is compulsory on radios since 1986. It's a minimum of 40%. So that leaves 60% for foreing music, whic is almost in english language !!! (we used to have many italian love songs long time ago but it's over).

 

2) In French educational system, 2 foreign languages are compulsory starting at 11 years old up to 18 years old.

A first foreign language is taught the firs 2 years. There are only two choices: English or German. Then a second language must be choosen besides the main one. There are three choices: English, German or Spanish.

So, it makes 7 years studying the main foreign language (mostly english) and 5 years for the second foreign language (mostly spanish).

 

English has always been the language the most learned in France. Probably 95% of pupils chose English as their first foreign language and only 5% percent chose German as a first language. Then Spanish must represent 70% percent of the one picked up as the second foreign language.

 

In my opinion, French people suck at English not because of pride or narrow mindedness. It's the educational system who sucks. Many countries learn only one foreign language at school so they can focus at being good at it. French Puppils have trouble and suck when learning their first foreign language but they are asked to learn a second foreign language as well two years after they start learning their first foreing language. So don't expect them to be good at any of them.

 

Besides, there are too many hours spent on school in France compare to others european countries like Germany or Finland. It's just counterproductive. French Government knows it and rave about Finland system but do nothing about it.

 

It's been 14 years that the French government said they're experiencing the learning of English (no other language) at an early age (7 years old) in some pilot schools and would expend the system if it works. We've been waiting.

 

Contrary to other countries like Germany or Sweden, all foreign movies are translated in France, there are no original version with subtitles (except for some old black/white american movies). So we are not used to hear english language at an early eage and find it difficult to understand when we hear our first english conversation as teenagers or grow up people.

 

You might not be aware of it but loads of english words are similar to French words (particularly formal words) but the prounounciation is totally different. Plus, we have many false friends words (hazard, resume etc...). So a Frenchman would expect an english word to be prounounced a certain way but it's totally different when it comes out of the mouth of an English native speaker. So many people are puzzled and just put off when they realise they understand diddly squat of the english language after 7 years of learning.

 

A japanese, Chinese or Thai would have to learn the prounounciation of each and every english word they are taught because they are no similiraty between english and their language. While in France, because of the similarity of the two languages and the same alphabet most of us were not taught the prounounciation of english words by our teachers. They just wrote the words on the black board or show us a list of words from the texbook to learn and ignore the need of teaching us the right prounounciation. We are mistaken when trying to pronounce english words the french way (which has nothing to do with French accent). It makes the word unintelligible for an English native speaker.

Ask most of French people to pronounce this words: map, milk, blood => you will notice 95% of them prounouncing the same wrong way and you won't be able to understand if you've not been warned before of the words they are trying to pronounce.

 

From a real experience, I was in a store in London trying to buy some milk bottles then ask people to show me were I could find milk bottles...they had no clue what I was talking about...same thing when I was looking for a subway "map" in Toronto.

 

Nowadays, many French youngsters go abroad (UK mainly) to improve their english skill, particularly the educated ones who think about their career.

 

Last but not least...until recent times, French people used to spend their holidays in France or countries were french was widely spoke. So they didn't need any english skill to get by. But globalization has probably changed many of their old habits.

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Part of the reason, check out this gravy train, whoo whooo cho cho cho

 

 

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School heads lack English, ICT skills

 

Poor survey showing surprises authorities

  • Published: 7/06/2010 at 12:00 AM

Many school executives lack skills in English and information and communications technology, despite having master's degrees, the Office of the Basic Education Commission says.

 

The office asked Srinakharinwirot University earlier this year to test the abilities of about 40,000 school directors and deputy directors under its jurisdiction.

 

They were tested for administrative knowledge, leadership and abilities in English and information and communications technology (ICT).

 

The school executives were fair at administration and leadership but were found lacking at English and ICT, the tests found.

 

"Many school executives are poor at English and technology," commission deputy secretary-general Saneh Khaoto said.

 

"The office did not expect this, because most school executives have master's degrees."

 

Mr Saneh declined to reveal how poor many school executives were at English and ICT.

 

The government has set aside economic stimulation funds to improve the quality of school executives and teachers, although the commission has not prepared a budget for courses to improve English or technology application skills this year.

 

Mr Saneh said Obec planned to spend 560 million baht this year to improve school executives' leadership, decision-making and participatory management skills.

 

It has hired Chulalongkorn University's education faculty to develop courses.

 

Next year it will seek a budget to improve executives' English and technology application skills, with the same faculty to be hired to develop training courses.

 

Five or six training centres will be opened.

 

Obec will give 9,000 baht to each school executive for training, travel and accommodation.

 

The teaching abilities of 400,000 teachers have also been tested, with the results now being analysed.

 

Obec has spent 678 million baht on the tests.

 

It will categorise teachers into three categories based on their ability.

 

Those in the highest category will be trained into leading teachers under a 201 million baht project.

 

Another 500 million baht will be spent on promoting morality among teachers and 60 million baht on e-training.

 

Each teacher who attends training will receive 1,000 baht a day over five to 15 days.

 

They also will be paid a travel allowance of 1,000 baht and an accommodation allowance of 450 baht.

Who is fit to govern others?

 

He who governs himself. ?

 

You might as well have said: nobody.

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or this:

 

 

High school students who perform poorly in computer studies, maths and sciences now have new friends to share the pain _ their teachers.

 

 

Teachers in secondary schools have had to sit exams in these subjects for the first time, with alarming results,

 

Most teaching at the senior high school level failed the tests, the Office of the Basic Education Commission said.

 

''Even teachers fail, so how can we raise the quality of students?'' Education Minister Chinnaworn Boonyakiat said yesterday after being informed of the results by Obec.

 

An exam requirement says examinees who earn a mark of less than 59% are considered to have a low standard of knowledge.

 

 

Obec said up to 88% of 3,973 teachers who specialise in computer sciences failed the test. A high number of failing teachers was also found in biology (86% of 2,846), maths (84% of 5,498), physics (71% of 3,487), chemistry (64% of 3,088) and astronomy and earth sciences (63% of 529).

 

The only consolation came from teachers at the junior high level. They earned high marks. Obec said 58% of 14,816 teachers teaching maths were categorised in the grade A group with marks of more than 80%, while 54% of 13,385 teachers did very well in sciences.

 

 

Chinnaworn: Plan to upgrade teachers

 

''This is the first time the ministry tested teachers nationwide in a move to develop teachers under the Thai Khem Khaeng [Thai strength] scheme,'' Mr Chinnaworn said.

 

The ministry has set a budget of 1.4 billion baht under the Thai Khem Khaeng scheme to improve the academic standards of teachers.

 

Mr Chinnaworn said the ministry aimed to build two groups of teachers under the development plan. Teachers at the elementary and junior high levels could be trained to improve their skills in integrated teaching _ one teacher able to teach more than one subject _ while those at the senior high level would be trained to have stronger expertise in specific subjects.

 

The upgrade of teachers is part of the ministry's plan to increase students' abilities.

 

''All students at the basic education level must earn more than 50% of the O-Net [Ordinary National Education Test] by 2018,'' Mr Chinnaworn said.

 

O-Net tests the general knowledge of students in Prathom 3 and 6 and Mathayom 3 and 6.

 

Obec has announced information and computer technology and English exam results of school directors. About 95% of about 40,000 directors failed the tests, Mr Chinnaworn said.

Who is fit to govern others?

 

He who governs himself. ?

 

You might as well have said: nobody.

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Well being english i admire anyone that can speak another language. we are lucky here in the uk that our language is commonly used in other countrys as a second language. which kind of makes us lazy in learning other peoples. during my trips to los i have had a few drinks with many people from other countrys who are convinced there english is'nt very good but i understood every thing they said. Kind of makes you think if an uneducated thai bar girl can speak english what sort of education did i get if i can't speak any other language. To be fair though it's all my own fault for not actually attending school that much!!!

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I think if you're english, there isn't really a "need" to learn another lanugauge in most cases.

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