Possibly HIV Positive

[NeverAgain]

I'll start off by saying that no, I have not come up positive, although I can say with a good amount of confidence that I will eventually. I am posting under a new name in order to remain somewhat confidential.

 

Unfortunately I made the mistake of getting too drunk on my first night in Pattaya and barebacked for a few seconds before catching myself. I take full responsibility for my actions - I messed up. I figured I would be fine - it was my first time bb'ing and I would have to be the unluckiest man in the world to catch something! At this point, I realize that I was probably incredibly wrong.

 

Fast forward to now (nearly 5 weeks) and I have presented all of the symptoms of acute HIV infection. My symptoms initially started about 5 days after exposure: multiple sores in my mouth, rolling low grade fevers, drenching night sweats, chills, and diarrhea. My fever was low but continued for a week before becoming intermittent. I lost 10 pounds and ate very little and my joints were all aching. The diarrhea stayed with me for almost 3 weeks. Upon returning to work I started having lymph nodes pop up - lymph nodes I never knew I had before. One huge one behind my ear, one in my armpit, and one near my throat. These all subsided within the week but soon followed splenomegaly, or, enlargement of the spleen. I noticed becoming very full when eating due to the swelling of my spleen. I also had problems sleeping on my left side. Finally, the last few nights for me have been riddled with bed-soaking night sweats and sore throats. If 4 weeks of this is not acute HIV infection, than it is most likely something worse.

 

The tricky part? Due to my current employment (overseas), HIV would send me into financial ruin and would be immediately known to my superiors. I cannot allow this, as I may have infected someone close to me, whom I will need to take care of. This prevents me from going to the medical staff at my location. Suffice it to say, I have run my situation through my head thousands of times and my only option is to seek private medical attention. I plan to do this in the coming month, I will keep you informed. I will most likely visit Bumrungad hospital in BKK.

 

These last few weeks have been the worst time in my life. I have gone from having life by the balls to being a miserable wreck. I've been incredibly sad and lost, my moods have been almost manic. I pray that I have not potentially given anything to anyone close to me. I hope anyone who reads this takes some time to think about what is important to them. Had I the choice to do it over again, I would have stuck solely to the good woman who I may have infected - and nurtured my relationship with her. Regardless of the outcome of all this, my days of mongering are over. It's not worth it, especially when the risks include having to take $1500 a month worth of medication for the remainder of your life.

 

For those who think I may be overreacting, it is slightly possible. Some other diseases have similar clinical presentations - unfortunately, I can only think of the odds and circumstances surrounding my symptoms. If this is something else, it can only be described as incredibly cruel timing. And for those who like to think the odds of contracting HIV are extremely low, you are mistaken. Those figures were based on couples in the west with HIV subtype B, currently on medication, and beyond the most infectious stage of the disease. From the EXTENSIVE reading I have done, catching Thailand's infamous HIV subtype E through heterosexual sex is much more possible than some would like to think.

 

Also, I question whether I should out the BG who potentially made me sick. I have kept in touch with her over the last few weeks. I had her test at 17 days post exposure (for me) and she said she was negative - although I doubt she's being completely honest. She has recently left her bar and is looking to becoming a service girl on Soi Bukhao - even more worrying news for me, but probably good news for the rest of you. Whether my results are confirmed, I will be sure to give you all a name - no need for more to suffer.

 

Lastly, I will return to update this as my situation progresses. I figure that if my worst fears are realized, than my experience, symptoms, and feelings are an extremely valuable case study for anyone preparing to monger.

[Darkside Bob]

I feel so bad for you buddy. I think it is your duty to name the girl, the bar she works in and put a picture of her on here. Many of us do not use a condom (stupidly) so it is the correct thing to do to expose the girl so no one else gets this horrible illness. She also could possibly be a girlfriend of a man that works over seas and believes she is at home with her family. It will be a very hard thing for you to do but you must post her picture.

[anaconda19]

sorry if your sick man!! hope your ok.

 

dont believe shes tested negative untill youve seen the results an shes taken hospital tests in your company or send her to go with a friend you trust out there, she can both pay for negative test results and she can lie, so you need to see it done before believing...

 

you probably could have had many different illnesses and things to make you get ill, from what ive read it takes weeks and months or years to get sick from HIV and aids. hope it isnt hiv, good luck with testing negative

 

go to doc, pay for it if you need, whatever, you need to do it, especially if you think your positive, who cares who else finds out, its more important to find out ur health status than to worry about other peoples thoughts about you or your job.

 

if your sick you should tell the bar girl if your sure it was her she has the right to know she may not test herself, or if you find she doesnt care you should warn her bar, and also if you think you should you can warn us on here, but she wont be happy about you telling people but if she bare backs with you she does with other people shes a danger, you should post her pic an bar an name to protect the PA men here...

Edited February 9, 2010 by anaconda19

[Guiness]

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Edited February 11, 2010 by dellboy

[ifriendyou]

Don't think it is HIV at all....Could be one of a dozen other bacterial or viral infections that are common in the tropics. BTW I don't think HIV surfaces in this way in 5th weeks..So don't worry...

[Dr.Winston]

I wish you all the best of luck. I personally have two friends who contracted HIV from Thai BG's. They are both still alive after many years of infection because of modern anti-retroviral treatments.. I know that the virus can take a few months to show up but have read that after 4 weeks it is 90% acurate. No guarantee but it might help put your mind at rest should any earlier test prove negative.

 

Please rethink your strategy of naming the girl. It sounds like a good idea to name a girl but it actually isn't that much of a help, it just tells people the location of one girl amongst hundreds or even thousands who are likely infected. Your post does re-inforce the importance of condom use. Thank you for the warning.

[monkeygib]

Keep thinking that this is like the title of your post "possibly"

Get checked immediately before you go crazy with worry

Good luck man -

[Tuwaiq]

There are probably a load of questions that you may have gone through your mind over and over again in the last five weeks, but cant you get compassionate leave, just for a week (on some made up excuse) and get a test?

 

I know the recommendation is a minumum wait of 3 months for a decent result, but i think given your current stress and anxiety level getting a negative result now at this point may well prove you 70-80 percent sure of a full neg result and just as importantly give you some peace of mind.

 

Very best of luck mate.

[NeverAgain]

I appreciate the support - it's been difficult showing up to work 6 days a week and pretending everything is alright.

 

 

Releasing her name is a sensitive issue - I know there are 2 sides to it. She recently left her bar and I would be curious to find out the circumstances surrounding that - perhaps the manager found out she was sick. I'm sure someone on here would know the guy who runs that bar as it's fairly popular. Like I said, this is a delicate issue that I have not encountered before. I feel like I should get more feedback on this before going any further. Feel free to express your opinion.

 

For now, I'm planning on arriving in BKK in March. This should put me beyond the "testing window". The majority of what I read suggests that any test results at that point (<6 weeks) are reliable.

[bocelli27]

You haven't got rampant HIV - well, at least not yet, because its far too early. You may have herpes; but equally you may not have, because some of the symptoms you describe could apply to herpes or to a raft of other viruses or infections, most of which are not STDs. Equally, your sympoms are not consistent with first stage syphilis or gonorrhea. What you definitely have is a vivid imagination which has gone into overdrive linking an episode of a few seconds to an end is nigh scenario. You should seek medical advice because you are unwell and need appropriate medical evaluation and treatment before you further depress yourself; however, the link between the bareback act and your current illness is a tenuous one at best.

[wanking]

Unfortunately I made the mistake of getting too drunk on my first night in Pattaya and barebacked for a few seconds before catching myself.

 

Doubt ya have it man!!! Really doubt it.

 

Chances are are she doesnt have it, and even if she did the chances of you picking it up from your few seconds of bare pumping are very low. But do keep us posted.

Edited February 9, 2010 by wan king

[lloydb]

sorry for your troubles and worries. i feel that you are very fatalistic. most of what you are discribing could be stress related . im sure that you must be out of your mind at the moment , and will remain so until you receive proper medical attention. so go to a doctor in a distant towm and pour your heart out to the him.

 

you need to do this asap or you will really go wrong in the head.

 

good luck

 

Hey Bud,

I sincerely hope that this is not the case with you, my sympathies go out to you. However I must agree with the above post that until you get checked out you will drive yourself crazy. The human mind is an extremely powerful tool and stress from thinking about being sick could actually make you sick. The more you read about the symptoms the more a person may think that he or she has those symptoms. I am not saying that your symptoms are not real, I am just saying that sometimes just by thinking about them can take your stress level up and could actually make you sick/depressed.

Best of luck with your situation, please keep us posted, and stay strong, you can get through this.

[kj19]

very best of luck fella..i really hope it all works out ok and that its nothing too serious...

 

thanks for posting though as i know it will probably make alot of people think twicw..

 

just to let you know though i know 2 people who left thailand 2 weeks early because they were very unwell, this was just after the new year...they had very similar symptoms to you and they are only now starting to come around from it..

 

it turned out they just caught some sort of virus...i cant remember what it was called...so fingers crossed for you mate!!

[hammerman]

You haven't got rampant HIV - well, at least not yet, because its far too early. You may have herpes; but equally you may not have, because some of the symptoms you describe could apply to herpes or to a raft of other viruses or infections, most of which are not STDs. Equally, your sympoms are not consistent with first stage syphilis or gonorrhea. What you definitely have is a vivid imagination which has gone into overdrive linking an episode of a few seconds to an end is nigh scenario. You should seek medical advice because you are unwell and need appropriate medical evaluation and treatment before you further depress yourself; however, the link between the bareback act and your current illness is a tenuous one at best.

 

I agree with Bocelli,

 

I got back from Patts, 10 weeks ago and was not well for 6 weeks or so after showing most of the symptoms you describe. I went to the doctors and went through a blood test and three sets of different anti-biotics until the final one cleared the problem up. I am now off the anti-biotics and back to full health. My problems started showing up after 5/6 days of being out there, so it is poss that there is some sort of virus out there at the moment.

 

As others have said i think the most important thing for your own sanity is that you get a full check ASAP. the stress your mind will be putting you under is not going to improve your condition.

 

You seem to be worrying about something that is possibly not there.

 

As an addition to the above "barebacking" would not have contributed to my condition.

 

As for outing the girl, i suggest you find the answer to your own problem, before labelling her.

 

Best of luck, get well soon.

[MintyCock]

Thanks for taking the time and effort to post this very important message up. I hope that it works out well for you and that you get the all clear.

 

Considering the amount of barebacking that happens, this is a very poignant message to those of us that foolishly indulge in such acts making the consequences of such actions very real.

[Luv2Phuket]

First of all, go see a Dr. asap. Forget about whether an HIV test will be accurate -- at a minimum, you clearly have some sort of bacterial infection and need to get on meds/antibiotics asap.

 

I'm not a Dr., nor do I have any significant experience with HIV, but I seriously doubt that the effects could show themselves within mere days of the sexual encounter.

 

I also feel that it would be HIGHLY irresponsible to "out" the girl based upon your guess that she gave you HIV. Until you have confirmed a medical diagnosis with a competent physician, you can't be sure that she gave you anything -- even the flu! To post her name and picture would effectively destroy her ability to make a living. Yes, if you confirm that you have contracted HIV and that it was, most likely, from her, THEN you should post as a warning. Anything prior to that is, in my opinion, a gross over-reaction and a witch hunt.

 

I hope and pray that you have misdiagnosed yourself, but I can't stress enough how important it is to see a physician asap to find out exactly what you have. Look at the recent death of actress Brittany Murphy -- basically, she had pneumonia, but died because she tried to self-medicate with some prescription and over-the-counter meds. Based on what I read, her death could have been avoided had she just gone to see a doctor.

[Soi Sauce]

I beleive we have all done a little bare backing in the past. And maybe we have all been lucky too. Its a hard lesson to learn "don't do it!" To get HIV from one single sexual incounter would be unbeleivable bad luck. I, like the rest doubt you have it. I was bad for two week after my last trip... dengee fever! or something along those lines. Freezing cold but sweating buckets etc.

 

12 years ago I collapsed after driving work one morning. Completely paralised down on side. Couldn't speak, see straight, walk or raise my arms. My face was a rightmess. It was really terrifying. A load of scans later and a lumber puncture and its anounced that I have Multiple Sclerosis. Thank God for that! Not knowing what you have is terrifying, When you know whats wrong you can deal with it and get on with life however difficult it maybe at times! As everyone says go and get it checked out. Not knowing is causing you pain.

 

I have not had another major attack since then. Although I do need a power nap in the evening. Everything else is back to normal. Execpt my fizog, which apparently looked that way before the attack

 

I wish you all the best.

[Mr David]

Years ago Doctors hated medical encyclopedias and now its the Internet. People think they have all sorts before seeing the Doc. As others have already said, you are getting yourself in to a depressed and anxious state without knowing the truth. You also went on the Internet looking for symptoms for a specific problem, these symptoms could be related to many different things but you are only looking at one.

 

Stress does funny things to the body. Six years ago I had a kidney removed and was so stressed about it before the operation, I came out with weeping sores all over my face which although the Doc could not say for certain was herpes related was sure it was aggravated by stress. I looked a right mess and you'd have thought I was a leper. I went online looking for a solution and came up with all sorts of infections.

 

Unless you have a medical background (Not first aid) I suggest you go and see a professional before worrying yourself stupid. I don't mean this to sound harsh and wish you all the best as everyone else does on this forum but what you have could probably be several things.

 

Are there any online support forums with experts that you can join and tell them openly what happened and get advice?

 

Good luck and keep us updated.

 

PS If you are still intent on doing your own diagnosis before seeing a professional. Try searching online - HIV/AIDS misdiagnosed as another condition.

 

Here is one place I just found that may be of help -

 

http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/h/hiv_aids/misdiag.htm

 

Regards

 

David

Edited February 9, 2010 by DavidL

[docbunsen]

if your symptoms started 5 days after you barebacked did you stay with the one girl or was you with other bar girls too ?

 

im no expert but im pretty sure hiv is not noticable after five days its got to ravage your immune system then its other viruses that take hold and show up easily .

 

if hiv was so fast acting im sure it would not be so wide spread. its not detectable for time thats the problem

 

i'd be very confident on saying you have not got it or not from this encounter anyway

[ROIDFREAK]

I understand the anxiety waiting for tesats but seriously mate I highly doubt you got HIV from a few seconds of barebacking one girl.. I have had the nightsweats in LOS a few times but have tested clean every time. Get a HIV test at 30 days if clear you are about 7% sure not to have it then test again at 6 weeks - if you are clear again then its about 97% sure you're clean then test at 3 months..

I know many mnay guys on this board that have barebacked several girls, multiple times and not caught anything more than the clap.

[rob69uk]

Years ago Doctors hated medical encyclopedias and now its the Internet. People think they have all sorts before seeing the Doc. As others have already said, you are getting yourself in to a depressed and anxious state without knowing the truth. You also went on the Internet looking for symptoms for a specific problem, these symptoms could be related to many different things but you are only looking at one.

 

Stress does funny things to the body. Six years ago I had a kidney removed and was so stressed about it before the operation, I came out with weeping sores all over my face which although the Doc could not say for certain was herpes related was sure it was aggravated by stress. I looked a right mess and you'd have thought I was a leper. I went online looking for a solution and came up with all sorts of infections.

 

Unless you have a medical background (Not first aid) I suggest you go and see a professional before worrying yourself stupid. I don't mean this to sound harsh and wish you all the best as everyone else does on this forum but what you have could probably be several things.

 

Are there any online support forums with experts that you can join and tell them openly what happened and get advice?

 

Good luck and keep us updated.

 

PS If you are still intent on doing your own diagnosis before seeing a professional. Try searching online - HIV/AIDS misdiagnosed as another condition.

 

Here is one place I just found that may be of help -

 

http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/h/hiv_aids/misdiag.htm

 

Regards

 

David

 

To true, your mind can convince you of anything,stress can do many things to a body.

[SlickMonkey]

My 2 cents....

 

HIV and AID are usually 2 different stages. HIV is the infection and AIDS is usually the symptoms of getting sick from HIV thru a a weakened immunity system. Ive never heard of someone getting HIV and immediately developing symptoms. Usually you would catch HIV then later due to a weakened immunity system you would develop sickness from the disease which is AIDS.

 

Highly advisable to get a test. IF you indeed are showing "symptoms" of HIV (AIDS) then it definately will show up in the blood. HIV might take months to show up HOWEVER the symptoms (AIDS) that develop from HIV if present will definately show HIV positive in blood tests if they are showing symptoms of the disease.

 

Your symptoms could be many other things. Could be a rare strain of Strep called "Necrotizing fasciitis" which seems to have alot of the same symptoms you are having. Could be many things...Only a doctor can tell.

 

Take a day off work and ask a doctor what it might be. I highly doubt it is HIV or AIDS. What ever it is you need to know immediately so you can start treating it.

Edited February 9, 2010 by SlickMonkey

[The Storm]

Disclaimer: This post may seem a little blunt, but I really do mean well.

 

Relax - you are over reacting big time - now go and Google the symptoms of Glandular fever it might well take a weight off your mind.

 

I was in town with two other mongers and both of them got sick (one requiring hospital treatment) whilst we were there. Albeit their symptoms were completely different to each others it does demonstrate that we you are in Patts living full on it is very easy to get sick.

 

I met more than a few mongers and ex patts a few of which (independently of one another) were postulating the cause of a sickness bug plaguing mongers and bar staff over Xmas. I think I heard everything from tainted meat on street vendor stalls to water purification problems with the city’s water supply as possible causes.

 

If you are genuinely sick with HIV you have most my most heartfelt sympathy, if you are fucking troll getting his kicks by going on forums spreading scare stories I hope you really do get HIV before crashing and burning death.

 

What are the symptoms of glandular fever?

It's possible to become infected with this virus and to develop no symptoms. This is referred to as a subclinical infection.

Before the disease breaks out, one to two weeks may pass with symptoms that are similar to those of flu.

A sore throat, with swollen tonsils that are heavily covered by a white coating.

Fever.

Severe fatigue.

Muscle pains.

In 20 per cent of cases: swelling and puffiness may develop around the eyes, settling after one to two days.

Headache.

Tendency to sweat.

Like the lymph glands, your spleen is part of the immune system and can become swollen. If this occurs, it can sometimes be felt below the ribs on the left-hand side of the abdomen and may occasionally cause mild pain.

Swollen and sore lymph nodes in the neck, armpits and the groin.

The liver may become enlarged and yellow jaundice may develop.

There may be a non-itchy widespread, red rash that quickly disappears.

Edited February 9, 2010 by The Storm

[Bagel]

I'm sure you are stressed out to shit over this, that will only get worse until you get tested and find out for sure. From what I've read, and I admit I haven't read much, it takes a long time to show symptoms of HIV. Could be a different type of virus, could be anything, get tested ASAP so you know.

 

It's certainly not fair to name the bar girl now. I'd say even if it does turn out as you fear you still shouldn't name her. It's the gamble we all take with our lives when we bareback.

 

Hope it works out for you.

[nightlyf]

 

I know many mnay guys on this board that have barebacked several girls, multiple times and not caught anything more than the clap.

 

RF this is true but theres an old saying from the movie white man cant jump that goes "even the sun shines on a dogs arse somedays".

 

Im sure there are poople who have caught it from 1 minute of madness.

 

nameing the girl will not do any good. if you are a prominent poster on here than it would have more effect naming yourself.

 

it has been said before that as hardcore mongers we must assume that all girls have something and take all pre-cauctions to protect ourselves and the girls if we are to keep this a healthy hobby.

 

my mongering rules.

 

1. always wear protection

2. no licking

3. no kissing

 

i dont need any of the above 3 to make my "holidays" enjoyable. having a nice little pussy to pound and looking and a cute face is enough for me.

 

keep us posted and i hope you come out of this healthy but with a lesson learnt.