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4 hours ago, Greg_B said:

Buy a throw-away ticket as others said and you will be on the flight.

Sarcastic remarks wouldn't help you with the issue at the gate

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Well there is something wrong with the system if valid documents aren’t accepted. 
I note you didn’t offer up what time limit you would set to allow inward travel without an outward ticket. In the OPs case it was around 3 months. Perhaps you’d like to offer your inside knowledge of that. And I’m not being sarcastic, just curious as I always enter Thailand on my without an exit ticket on my Non O based on Retirement. 

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25 minutes ago, forqalso said:

You shouldn’t have to be an expert on every visa available worldwide, but on how calendars is visa with an expiry date in April close to being invalid in January? It looks like; in addition to a completely valid visa, a fraudulent e-ticket is a travel requirement.  

That hasn’t been stated anywhere … the requirement, if there is one, is for onward travel within the validity of one’s stay … it’s a personal choice as to how to go about this.  The throw-away tickets being discussed in this thread are not fraudulent tickets; they are reservations being held pending payment and then cancelled when payment isn’t made within a certain timeframe, usually 48 hrs.  However, in the alternative, one is free to purchase a real ticket, a refundable ticket or even a bus/train ticket to meet the requirement. 

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38 minutes ago, Geordie59 said:

A lot being said about arguing at the check in counter. I certainly wouldn’t argue. I’d explain the situation and if I was still denied boarding I’d take it up the line until I found someone who knew what the rules were. I had this situation once with KLM in Glasgow. A 30m walk to their handling desk and the issue was fixed. 
Many of the comments on here, some from people who have worked in the field, say buy a throw away ticket. So is that what they suggest for those traveling the world with an open agenda. Keep buying throw away tickets every time you enter the country  as you don’t know where you might go next or how you’ll get there (backpacking overland through Asia for example which many people do). So many countries have the ticket out rule, but one reason to get a visa that that allows one way entry is exactly to avoid that situation. 

Not really.  For example, tourist visas nearly universally require proof of onward travel … needed during the application process for a Thai tourist visa, so one would expect to have as such upon entry as well. 

I’m not intimately familiar with the Thai non-O visa, but a cursory search online indicates it’s a non-immigrant visa for temporary periods of stay (though I understand from reading the forum over the years it’s a trivial matter to extend these visas nearly eternally) … and I see no requirement for onward travel on entry, but as well there is nothing that I’ve found that says it’s not needed either.  Non-immigrant visas (as opposed to an immigrant/resident visa) typically always have a limited validity (apparently 12 months for the non-O) which limits the allowed stay, so I can certainly understand why an airline would be reluctant to convey passage to a passenger who will be outside the valid period of stay relatively soon without some confirmation of onward travel.

And yes, this does pose an issue for people on extended flexible travel itineraries … people who can afford it plan accordingly and those who cannot play all sorts of visa shenanigans and usually spend more time in those countries with lax policies than those with strict ones 

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The Thai have a rather complicated residential visa classification. I am not surprised Airlines with automated frequently updated visa requirements for multiple countries still face issues at gate. 

Looking at the penalty amount airlines face, it is no surprise that a gate agent will be cautious. 

Food’s errand to stand your ground when there is a $16 remedy in place. Why would I waste my time, my breath and anything else knowing full well that these incidents have occurred repeatedly in the past.  The only reason I would do that is I having an inflated self worth of my self. 

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28 minutes ago, momo5 said:

That hasn’t been stated anywhere … the requirement, if there is one, is for onward travel within the validity of one’s stay … it’s a personal choice as to how to go about this.  The throw-away tickets being discussed in this thread are not fraudulent tickets; they are reservations being held pending payment and then cancelled when payment isn’t made within a certain timeframe, usually 48 hrs.  However, in the alternative, one is free to purchase a real ticket, a refundable ticket or even a bus/train ticket to meet the requirement. 

They’re bought for the sole purpose to circumvent the law, with no intent to be used as an actual plane ticket. When you go to one of these tickets sites and look at their FAQs, you’ll see that when asked about using one of these so-called tickets, their answer will be, “yes, you can convert it to a useable ticket at whatever price the airlines charges for a ticket on the day you convert.” A reservation, especially one that can be cancelled before the outbound flight leaves the ground; to me, doesn’t seem to comply with the law’s intent, it only gives the airlines their out if asked why they let someone on their plane. 

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Posted
4 hours ago, gusincebu said:

No mention of a re-entry permit ? 

Did OP have one ? 

And would it have made a difference if he had ? 

The re-entry permit is the keyword for this discussion. 

No re-entry permit and the non-o visa is dead, so you need a onward ticket. 

The re-entry stamp proves that you a allowed to reenter Thailand. 

I had the problem as OP a couple of years ago in Amsterdam, I had 6 weeks left on my non-o visa, I showed them my re-entry stamp and told them IO in Thailand already allowed me to enter Thailand to the the date showed in the stamp. 

The staff at check-in can't know every RULES, it took me 5 minutes to explain the RULES in Thailand and show them the different stamps. So problem solved in 5 minutes with a smile 😃, and the supervisor said thanks for the explanation. 

 

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31 minutes ago, forqalso said:

They’re bought for the sole purpose to circumvent the law, with no intent to be used as an actual plane ticket. When you go to one of these tickets sites and look at their FAQs, you’ll see that when asked about using one of these so-called tickets, their answer will be, “yes, you can convert it to a useable ticket at whatever price the airlines charges for a ticket on the day you convert.” A reservation, especially one that can be cancelled before the outbound flight leaves the ground; to me, doesn’t seem to comply with the law’s intent, it only gives the airlines their out if asked why they let someone on their plane. 

What law? 

Posted
13 hours ago, Luv2Phuket said:

I personally always have an onward ticket, but, if not, I would opt to get a fully refundable ticket and just refund it to my cc after I cleared security.  Years ago when my Mom came to visit me, that's how I got through security and took her to the lounge to relax before her flight.  Once I got her on the plane, I cancelled the ticket and went home.

I am curious how you managed to get back out of the secured Departure lounges area after cancelling your ticket. I always thought the Arrivals and Departures areas were very securely isolated from each other. Going in to Departures seems to be a very one-way trip. Is there a secret door, or can you just ask staff to let you out? I have never had the need so just curious. Maybe "years ago" means many, many years or even decades ago.

Posted
14 minutes ago, forqalso said:

Thats not the law. Some blog from someone. Also mentions forgery which is crime but OP did not forge anything.

Crime requires criminal intent or wilful negligence. Not the case here. 

If you look at Thai retirement visa O -A there is absolutely nothing to suggest it also residency visa. In fact it is states employment prohibited which confuses people because most residency visas allows employment. No airline staff will think it is residency visa. 

OP did not contravene any law, there was no criminal intent, he is legally allowed to travel and stay in Thailand. Unfortunately Thai documentation is unclear to the airlines. So he found a shortcut. 

 

 

Posted
3 hours ago, Geordie59 said:

Well there is something wrong with the system if valid documents aren’t accepted

Hardly any day passes without a news-feed some British holiday-maker are denied boarding even with valid passport. The system can easily be fixed but bill would have to be passed on to the travellers who certainly know how dispute any cost raise regardless how beneficial they are.

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39 minutes ago, Joeleg said:

Thats not the law. Some blog from someone. Also mentions forgery which is crime but OP did not forge anything.

Crime requires criminal intent or wilful negligence. Not the case here. 

If you look at Thai retirement visa O -A there is absolutely nothing to suggest it also residency visa. In fact it is states employment prohibited which confuses people because most residency visas allows employment. No airline staff will think it is residency visa. 

OP did not contravene any law, there was no criminal intent, he is legally allowed to travel and stay in Thailand. Unfortunately Thai documentation is unclear to the airlines. So he found a shortcut. 

 

 

I’m busy out walking. I assume you’re connected to the same internet as I and with the headstart I provided you with the list of countries that require inward travel for entry, you should be able to find that information for yourself. Or, did I misunderstand your question? Are you saying all these airlines are requiring bogus onward travel tickets just because they want to? Every reply to the OP has been about the entry requirements. 

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Posted (edited)
46 minutes ago, Joeleg said:

Some blog from someone

I don't think that is a site airlines would use! Certainly not at Delta Airline where I worked. We used the Timatic website which was mentioned earlier!

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I nearly got caught out by this well over a decade ago. Was flying out of Heathrow with a one-way ticket to Cambodia with no visa, just the $35 to pay for the visa on arrival.

Check-in agent checks passport, then asks to see evidence of visa for destination. I say it's visa on arrival. They look in their system and send me over to speak to a supervisor.

Supervisor shows me in their database that Cambodia is listed as visa required, no mention of visa on arrival. I show him the $35 and explain it's actually visa on arrival and no-one's ever been refused entry. He stands his ground.

Luckily it was a weekday and a day-time departure so I asked him to call the Cambodian embassy if he didn't believe me. Amazingly, someone actually picked up the phone and I was able to get them to explain to the supervisor that I would be admitted no problem. He relented and said I could board but I had to sign a waiver saying the airline wasn't responsible if I was denied entry.

All a lot of hassle but I at least got on the flight. Since then I've always made sure to have an onward ticket because it's just not worth the hassle otherwise imo.

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8 hours ago, dexxter2010 said:

I am curious how you managed to get back out of the secured Departure lounges area after cancelling your ticket. I always thought the Arrivals and Departures areas were very securely isolated from each other. Going in to Departures seems to be a very one-way trip. Is there a secret door, or can you just ask staff to let you out? I have never had the need so just curious. Maybe "years ago" means many, many years or even decades ago.

I'd say it was somewhere between 5 and 10 years ago.

LAX domestic flight - I had a credit card back then that got me and a guest AA lounge access. The domestic gates at LAX are all departures and arrivals (unless you are on a rare flight that leaves from the Bradley Terminal).  I don't see how it could work at an international terminal like BKK.

Also, I didn't cancel the fully refundable fare until AFTER we left the lounge.  I walked her to her gate and waited for her to board.  Once she did, I walked towards the exit and cancelled the flight on my phone.  I booked one that was a few hours after hers.

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10 hours ago, forqalso said:

They’re bought for the sole purpose to circumvent the law, with no intent to be used as an actual plane ticket. When you go to one of these tickets sites and look at their FAQs, you’ll see that when asked about using one of these so-called tickets, their answer will be, “yes, you can convert it to a useable ticket at whatever price the airlines charges for a ticket on the day you convert.” A reservation, especially one that can be cancelled before the outbound flight leaves the ground; to me, doesn’t seem to comply with the law’s intent, it only gives the airlines their out if asked why they let someone on their plane. 

The law doesn’t mention anything about onward travel … in fact, most laws don’t get into this level of detail.  Onward travel requirements are described in the regulations and requirements to promulgate the law.  

As long as the reservation is active, it’s good to go … a bit disingenuous for sure, but not fraud.  

Personally, I’m not in favor of this method … I prefer spending nothing on a refundable ticket if I don’t have anything ticketed already.

Posted
1 hour ago, Luv2Phuket said:

Also, I didn't cancel the fully refundable fare until AFTER we left the lounge.  I walked her to her gate and waited for her to board.  Once she did, I walked towards the exit and cancelled the flight on my phone.  I booked one that was a few hours after hers.

That’s what I assumed too, so I was unclear as to the query.   In fact, I probably wouldn’t cancel a refundable ticket under after my arrival and clearance of immigration procedures. 

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On 09/01/2025 at 12:13, Greg_B said:

One-way ticket, and no long-term visa = Questions & concerns on the part of the airline. 

You are aware that Thai Immigration can fine the airline for any mistakes made with a passport or visa..?

 

They also have to pay your way home if you are refused entry. 

They can also examine the purchase visa, and if you bought the ticket, that can create quite a head ache. 

RULES are RULES, staff are explained the rule, there's no interpretation on their part. 

Had to buy a return ticket from a Canada for the misses which was haste fully done, I was planning on making an extention on her visa once she was in Canada, and we could fly back together, was I happy about it, no, I had to sign an agreement with the air line in case she was refused entry that I would pay for her ride home not the airline. It was an eTicket that wasn't confirmed, lucky it didn't go through, and we walked through customs. 

So, follow the RULES, or at least know them. 

Ailine staff are not mind readers, so they have RULES

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On 09/01/2025 at 11:25, Geordie59 said:

I would have stood my ground. You know the RULES and they obviously don’t. It’s a bit like saying if your visa had 12 months to run you’d still need an onward ticket before expiry which we both know is nonsense. The internet or a supervisor is always there for such situations. 
That said you can’t expect poorly trained check in staff to know the RULES for every country they might deal with. 

I had this years ago when flying out of the UK to BKK on Turkish on a ME Business visa.

Nope sorry, need an onward ticket. 

 

stood my ground, argued for ages until the police showed up to ask what the scene was, stood my ground some more but nope, need an onward ticket.

 

Just got an AirAsia ticket to Phnom Penh as I really wasn’t going to get on the plane no matter what I showed them 

 

cunts 

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A passenger with a valid re-entry permit doesn't need an onward ticket; when the "visa" expires doesn't matter.

So far, in my case, it has always been sufficient to show the check-in staff my current re-entry permit when they asked me for my onward ticket. They're usually just confused because my passport is full of stamps, including several long expired (previous) re-entry permits.

Being calm and polite about it helps, same as in many other situations.

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