EV's

[jetdoc]

Today we ordered a Neta V-II from the Pattaya dealer and my man Tommie says it will come next week. Not sure if the wife will have it shipped to Udon Thani right away or take delivery here so as to play with it here in Pattaya. No charging provisions here at GA so not to keen having it here as in Udon we can charge at her townhouse. For me it's a cheep way to find out if I like the EV experience, just a toy so to speak. If we find it agreeable the plan is it will become the Udon car and the Wildtrak will be Pattaya transport and allow us to just fly between the two when the urge hits.

[jetdoc]

IMO when going EV from ICE this chart is important, not so much for city driving as it is for highway traveling. On a given day, the first liter of fuel will deliver the same "performance" as the last liter. Not so with EV's, and although the Neta is a get around town car it may see highway use on rare occasions and I plan to make my driver aware of battery behavior. Easy to see with 100% charge it is easy to let tire crumbs on the road.

Edited June 7, 2024 by jetdoc

[ocka]

On 07/06/2024 at 14:45, jetdoc said:

IMO when going EV from ICE this chart is important, not so much for city driving as it is for highway traveling. On a given day, the first liter of fuel will deliver the same "performance" as the last liter. Not so with EV's, and although the Neta is a get around town car it may see highway use on rare occasions and I plan to make my driver aware of battery behavior. Easy to see with 100% charge it is easy to let tire crumbs on the road.

I don't imagine that any EVs will have electronics so primitive that they don't compensate for battery voltage.   Even my E-bike had consistent performance across the entire range of charge.

I can imagine that a car might switch into "limp home" mode when it is down to the last five or ten percent of range,  but that would be all,  unless it is very, very badly designed.

[Kandinski]

Congrats with the new EV. BTW, was it your missus that picked color😋

[shadscat]

what warranty are thai ev companies giving on batteries in the uk most seem to be eight years

[jetdoc]

4 hours ago, ocka said:

I don't imagine that any EVs will have electronics so primitive that they don't compensate for battery voltage.   Even my E-bike had consistent performance across the entire range of charge.

I can imagine that a car might switch into "limp home" mode when it is down to the last five or ten percent of range,  but that would be all,  unless it is very, very badly designed.

I'm sure they employ voltage regulation but generally we regulate to a lessor voltage so once battery voltage drops, if they increase voltage as it would deplete what little power is left more quickly. One of the reasons I want the EV is to learn all the nuances.

[jetdoc]

4 hours ago, Kandinski said:

Congrats with the new EV. BTW, was it your missus that picked color😋

yes should look like this

[jetdoc]

4 hours ago, shadscat said:

what warranty are thai ev companies giving on batteries in the uk most seem to be eight years

Yea 8 yrs here also.

[ChiFlyer]

4 hours ago, jetdoc said:

yes should look like this

hmmm - nice looking car. I am seriously thinking about moving to an EV early in 2025. Too much stuff going on in 2024 cash flow wise.

We live out near Bang Sare. The plan would be to use the car for local grocery trips etc. We have a covered car park at our house, so I would put a charger in there. It would be nice to come up with a solar option for that.

I had been in some conversations on another board with a few guys who are more knowledgeable about EVs than my dumb as dirt butt. What I took away from that was the MG5 met my needs and went for about 1M THB. I see online that the Neta V-II lists for about 50% of that, if I am reading the link correctly. Or maybe that was last year's girl.

I have also read that the Thai government was talking about financial incentives for persons buying EVs. The Thai government talks about a lot of things. I assume that I would have to put the car in the Mrs name (she is a Thai citizen) to qualify for any financial benefits.

Any additional info would be appreciated.

 

 

Edited June 8, 2024 by ChiFlyer

[ChiFlyer]

30 minutes ago, ChiFlyer said:

hmmm - nice looking car. I am seriously thinking about moving to an EV early in 2025. Too much stuff going on in 2024 cash flow wise.

We live out near Bang Sare. The plan would be to use the car for local grocery trips etc. We have a covered car park at our house, so I would put a charger in there. It would be nice to come up with a solar option for that.

I had been in some conversations on another board with a few guys who are more knowledgeable about EVs than my dumb as dirt butt. What I took away from that was the MG5 met my needs and went for about 1M THB. I see online that the Neta V-II lists for about 50% of that, if I am reading the link correctly. Or maybe that was last year's girl.

I have also read that the Thai government was talking about financial incentives for persons buying EVs. The Thai government talks about a lot of things. I assume that I would have to put the car in the Mrs name (she is a Thai citizen) to qualify for any financial benefits.

Any additional info would be appreciated.

 

 

Correction - missed the Edit cutoff by a few seconds - grrrrr - The Neta V lists for about 60% of the MG5.

[jetdoc]

11 hours ago, ChiFlyer said:

Correction - missed the Edit cutoff by a few seconds - grrrrr - The Neta V lists for about 60% of the MG5.

The Neta V is being offered at 500K, we bought a V-II "smart" and list is 569K. The smart has a few extra sensors and allows improved driver assist, but probably not worth it for town use.

[jetdoc]

Dealer called and car ready, I would like Wed. 12/6/24 (probably a loto winner) has a nice ring, but I'm well failure with Thai luck number thingy.

[ocka]

18 hours ago, jetdoc said:

The Neta V is being offered at 500K, we bought a V-II "smart" and list is 569K. The smart has a few extra sensors and allows improved driver assist, but probably not worth it for town use.

That is an amazingly good price for a new EV.  It's around half the price we would pay for the cheapest new electric car available in Australia.

I will be very interested in hearing about your experience of owning and driving it.

[jetdoc]

6 hours ago, ocka said:

That is an amazingly good price for a new EV. 

What makes it even better for me is the favorable exchange rates of late, the car is being payed with 35bt+/dollar so works out to roughly $17,000, or about what I would have to pay if bought in China. 

[jetdoc]

Back in 2020 this is what the EV's being offered here looked like. I was considering the FOMM, not really a sub compact but had "hub motors" as opposed to a motor and tranny. Prices have come down and the Neta V-II (right hand drive) is built here in Thailand. Big deal for Thai wife - not so much for me.

[jetdoc]

We'll get it tomorrow.

[jetdoc]

Shortly after noon we "Bolted" out to the dealer to get the beast. Have to say they spent a lot of time explaining the workings of the vehicle and some differences between EV and ICE driving. The two biggest differences for the wife are that turn signal lever is on the left side of the steering column and there is no shift lever on the center consul like the Wildtrak. Credit to the wife, as seems to be used to the turn lever from the get go, but shift "switching" park/nuetral/fwd/rev is on the right steering column lever (turn signal Wildtrak) and she need a bit more time to keep from searching the center consul. The drive home was uneventful and we both think performance is good for city driving. No on board map is a disappointment but with CarPlay the maps we use are available and the large display makes them way easy to read.

[jetdoc]

Day 2, getting to know Neta, but before I start let me say that basically my wife is jaidee, but a basic Thai thing she is unable to shake off, is if something unexplained goes wrong and a falang is present - BLAME the FALANG. So as I try to go thru the learning curve I will at times just use BF as in blame falang. Even though I don't wish to drive, nevertheless I have an entrance thingy. Looks like this

 

My understanding this device will lock/unlock and power up the car and also pop the rear hatch. But without taking it out of my pocket I can push a switch located on the driver door and the car doors will unlock and opening the driver door will power up the car,  i simply go around to pax door and can wait in A/C comfort for wife to finish shopping or what ever. So on our way today we stopped at Villa market to buy a case of my beer, the wife went to the rest room and I took beer to car where attendant offered to help and he opened and closed the hatch. Wife got in and on our way, but now we are experience an unknown beeping and right away - BF - while try to assess what its trying to tell us, she is freaking. Finally at a stop light (beeping only sounds when car is moving) I was able to lean over to see the car on drivers panel that indicates door/hatch position noticed hatch blinking - problem solved. The car has 3 levels of regen and I try to explain this system in simple terms and just tell her that using max regen should maximize driving distance. I then add if max setting doesn't suit her driving preference - no problem and use any setting she likes especially for city driving. The car also has down hill assist which will help when going down T21 and Central parking structures and will help with brake life, but I always emphasize stay in your safety comfort zone as we can afford brake repair. I'll give her this, if not success the first go, she is always willing to give it another go. I really like the car play on the large display.

 

For a cheep little car it offers quite a bit. Signing up for charging apps is a real pain in the ass, as they want more info than necessary but it's the market driven world we live in.

 

Edited June 14, 2024 by jetdoc
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[article22]

Nice looking car for a great price.

I thought the MG4 was a steal at 710k but this is on a whole different level.

https://www.mgcars.com/th/mg-models/new-mg4-electric/overview

What KWh is the battery and what level charger can it use?

Newer models have bigger batteries in KWh and faster charging.

Unfortunately I live in a condo so just don't see how EVs will work in Thailand.

Especially in Pattaya there just isn't enough parking anyway let alone having charging stations.

[Sloracer]

7 minutes ago, article22 said:

Unfortunately I live in a condo so just don't see how EVs will work in Thailand.

Especially in Pattaya there just isn't enough parking anyway let alone having charging stations.

I have 2 EV's resident in my condo so I guess it's doable with public charging, but I wouldn't do it.

I've gone halfway with a hybrid whicy does the job well IMO.

[article22]

2 hours ago, Sloracer said:

I have 2 EV's resident in my condo so I guess it's doable with public charging, but I wouldn't do it.

I've gone halfway with a hybrid whicy does the job well IMO.

Yeah we have a couple of Teslas in my condo block but they only seem to go for short hops, so guessing they are more for show than go 😉 

Hybrid is definitely the way to go in TH if you live in a condo still...shame.

Though it looks like there is a big push for EVs to become viable in TH (as the Chinese wants to dump their vehicles here lol) so fingers crossed they start to get the charging situation on track for mass adoption.

[ChiFlyer]

2 hours ago, article22 said:

Yeah we have a couple of Teslas in my condo block but they only seem to go for short hops, so guessing they are more for show than go 😉 

Hybrid is definitely the way to go in TH if you live in a condo still...shame.

Though it looks like there is a big push for EVs to become viable in TH (as the Chinese wants to dump their vehicles here lol) so fingers crossed they start to get the charging situation on track for mass adoption.

Still I am looking into making more of a Solar move over the next few years. I wish the OP well with his purchase, but I am focusing more on the MG5. 

I am having a Solar Panel Instalar out to the house on Tuesday Morning just to further understand what needs to be done (work effort, costs, etc.) in order to achieve my objectives. These are:

• Install a charger station for an EV
• Purchase said EV
• Begin to convert the house to being Solar powered

I will post an update on my work session with the Installer.

[jetdoc]

8 hours ago, ChiFlyer said:

Still I am looking into making more of a Solar move over the next few years. I wish the OP well with his purchase, but I am focusing more on the MG5. 

I am having a Solar Panel Instalar out to the house on Tuesday Morning just to further understand what needs to be done (work effort, costs, etc.) in order to achieve my objectives. These are:

• Install a charger station for an EV
• Purchase said EV
• Begin to convert the house to being Solar powered

I will post an update on my work session with the Installer.

Had a Bolt ride in a MG5 and a very nice vehicle it is. No comparison to the entry level Neta we bought. In Udon we have 4 32A breakers in the townhouse so a 6KW charger can easily be installed. The supplied charger carried on board is 3KW and only requires a 15A outlet. Higher capacity chargers will require 3 phase 440 to the house, but in reality home charging leaves plenty of time for top ups. When considering solar for a house an EV can be part of the equation as opposed investing in a battery bank. The Neta has a 3KW VTL which would easily power a small bedroom A/C and a few other appliances overnight.

[ocka]

14 hours ago, article22 said:

Unfortunately I live in a condo so just don't see how EVs will work in Thailand.

Here in Adelaide the government has made a rule that all new apartment buildings must have an electrical outlet at every parking space.

I imagine Thailand could do the same if they wanted.

[Zeb]

17 hours ago, Sloracer said:

it's doable with public charging, but I wouldn't do it.

I recharge at a public charger in supermarket parking in Australia. 

Its free 😋

When travelling I pay but its still cheaper than petrol.

Edited June 15, 2024 by Zeb