Anti Estrogen medication

[oldmanemu53]

Anyone know where I can buy anti estrogens medicine in Pattaya 

I'm on 125 a week of testereone, 

[Aussie Whoremonger]

Tims Pharmacy on second road sells Arimidex. 

125mg a week is not a lot, thats replacement level. Are you sure you need this? Suggest you get your bloodwork done if you have not already, or pop into the mens health clinics for some advice before you just start taking this stuff

You get the dose wrong, your libido is going to drop off hard and its not healthy either. 

[oldmanemu53]

Yes I have been on test a few months and noticed man boobs increase

I'm thinking it's the test and estrogen increase??

But your right I need to get blood work done 

Edited July 5, 2023 by oldmanemu53

[Aussie Whoremonger]

Mate I would suggest you set an appointment with a doc asap. Get your bloodwork done and get some advice. 

If you are going to be in Pattaya, there are some good mens clinics around. Go and see them, they will get you on track. I would not just start popping more pills. 

[shadscat]

Unless you're obese gyno on just 125mg a week would be rare. Normally you'd get noticeable nipple sensitivity long before gyno develops. 

[oldmanemu53]

2 hours ago, shadscat said:

Unless you're obese gyno on just 125mg a week would be rare. Normally you'd get noticeable nipple sensitivity long before gyno develops. 

Yes maybe , I will have to get a blood test this week and take it from there ,but I can definitely feel my breasts getting bigger .

Too much test maybe ,I will see a doctor tomorrow 

 

[Dave1986]

@oldmanemu53  I just noticed your  "fat freezing" thread.   Since you have lost a lot of weight, if you have started eating more you may be hitting something called "refeeding gyno".   It can occur after prolonged calorie deficit (long term dieting).    It was originally documented when starving prisoners of war were freed and given more food.

I hit the issue after about 2 years of dieting when I added more calories to support high intensity training.  My nipples got so sensitive I had to start wearing a compression garment to avoid irritation.   Doctor wasn't very helpful, and was suspicious that I was using steroids (I wasn't).  To be fair to the Doctor, it was during early Covid lockdown and medically, gyno doesn't rate as a severe issue (except to the sufferer).

In my case, once I understood what was going on, I decreased calorie  slightly and issue went away over a period of months.  I had a pair of calipers and measured my man boobs, and luckily there was no actual increase over time.

Just my 2cents that it might not be the TRT triggering your issue.

 

 

 

 

 

[DarkSideInc]

125 a week of T? Ya, that's not high levels at all. I'm currently on 600 a week, but I also work out 7 days a week. Normally you gain mass/weight on T and increase your calories due to the workload. As stated, you should ALWAYS get blood work done before going on Test, about 2 month after being on test and about a month after coming off test for the first time.

This allows you to understand how your body is reacting to it and how to adjust it. GL man!

[oldmanemu53]

Well I took your advice and went to see a doctor a farang German doctor yesterday and he was great !

Cost more than back home but anyway took a blood test and the result 

And I'm in my 60's ,weight 110kg height 5"9 

Testereone 1569 , should be 700-  1000 apparently 

Estrodiol  63  ,should be under 40 said doctor 

He said to me my test is too high !!!

He told me to cut it down to 250ml injections every 3 weeks!

No 125 ml every week,

He wants to see first if my breasts will go down without giving me the anti estrogen medicine,no idea why he just can't give the anti estrogen to me but he wants no test injections until late July and only every 3 weeks ,then he will assess me again .

He said the reason why is he says older men who have a lot of body fat get higher estrogen with testereone,he sees this all the time he says even though I lift weights 3 times a week I have high fat belly 

Estrogen should be under 40 not 60 he says 

I will stop using test for 3 weeks and go back to see him and he will assess again in 3 weeks and if need be he will prescribe snti estrogen,but not sure why he couldn't give to me now ,are these dangerous to take ?

 

Edited July 7, 2023 by oldmanemu53

[manni2011]

1 hour ago, oldmanemu53 said:

He told me to cut it down to 250ml injections every 3 weeks!

Sorry but this is simply terrible advice. And probably more likely to increase your estrogenic side effects than decrease them. 

Edited July 7, 2023 by manni2011

[gusincebu]

I presume it's Dr Oliver you went to . ( He's Swiss ) ..so I gather from this post that you plan to ignore his advice ? 

[DarkSideInc]

One question, ok, 2...  why are you on T in the first place? Was no blood work done before hand?

Edited July 7, 2023 by DarkSideInc

[shadscat]

110kg at 5'9 is pretty heavy and your test level seems pretty high for a standard replacement dosage of 125mg TE typically 0.5ml of oil every 7 days. What size syringe are you using perhaps switch to a 1ml syringe to make accurate measurements easier.

[oldmanemu53]

12 hours ago, DarkSideInc said:

One question, ok, 2...  why are you on T in the first place? Was no blood work done before hand?

Yes beginning of the year I felt terrible and my test score was 187 , I started TRT then around January after blood tests revealed my test score was in the 100's, I went to a online test clinic in Australia they consultant it over the phone.

They agreed my testereone was very low and the Dr over the phone couldn't pronounce his name said 125,they seem to be Australian middle eastern doctors all quite nice though 

Edited July 8, 2023 by oldmanemu53

[oldmanemu53]

4 hours ago, shadscat said:

110kg at 5'9 is pretty heavy and your test level seems pretty high for a standard replacement dosage of 125mg TE typically 0.5ml of oil every 7 days. What size syringe are you using perhaps switch to a 1ml syringe to make accurate measurements easier.

Yes the syringe is very large , I'm not sure but it comes in 250 ml , the syringe is a large one so I cannot self administer 

[oldmanemu53]

12 hours ago, manni2011 said:

Sorry but this is simply terrible advice. And probably more likely to increase your estrogenic side effects than decrease them. 

Can you explain more ?

Thanks 👍

[shadscat]

8 hours ago, oldmanemu53 said:

Yes the syringe is very large , I'm not sure but it comes in 250 ml , the syringe is a large one so I cannot self administer 

Are u saying you have been given preloaded syringes ? That's highly unusual.

[manni2011]

17 hours ago, oldmanemu53 said:

Can you explain more ?

Thanks 👍

In the most basic terms, after you injection your test you blood levels peak and then slowly come down based on the half life of the test ester you are using (and to some degree the size and location of the injection depot).   
 

You are having a negative reaction from a fairly low dose at what most would consider the higher end of injection frequency  for the test enanthate you’re using.  

Why would you use a larger dose with a much more infrequent injection scheme? How do you think you’ll react to a higher high and a lower low level of test? 

Are  you sure Dr Oliver didn’t say that he would be switching you from the test enanthate you currently use to Bayer Nebido (this  ester of test has a much longer half life). That’s the only way this change will oils make sense. 
 

 

 

[manni2011]

17 hours ago, oldmanemu53 said:

Yes the syringe is very large , I'm not sure but it comes in 250 ml , the syringe is a large one so I cannot self administer 

I suspect there’s some confusion here on your part. The only potential 250 ml thing in your TRT protocol would be the bottle of rubbing alcohol you’re using to clean the injection site.   I have no idea what sort of syringe you’re using but there’s no need at all for a ‘large’ one.  You should use the finest gauge syringe possible based on your on personal circumstances. I use insulin syringes, but that may not be an option for you bc you’re probably not lean enough.  But regardless, there’s no reason at all you can’t self administer and you’ll probably find it more comfortable as you’ll learn where exactly is least painful for you.  

[oldmanemu53]

The online company I buy from in Australia send me this out in 250ml syringe which makes it difficult as I can not re use the other half if I inject 125 ml a week..here is the pic ,the syringe is big 

[oldmanemu53]

1 hour ago, manni2011 said:

In the most basic terms, after you injection your test you blood levels peak and then slowly come down based on the half life of the test ester you are using (and to some degree the size and location of the injection depot).   
 

You are having a negative reaction from a fairly low dose at what most would consider the higher end of injection frequency  for the test enanthate you’re using.  

Why would you use a larger dose with a much more infrequent injection scheme? How do you think you’ll react to a higher high and a lower low level of test? 

Are  you sure Dr Oliver didn’t say that he would be switching you from the test enanthate you currently use to Bayer Nebido (this  ester of test has a much longer half life). That’s the only way this change will oils make sense. 
 

 

 

No I'm using my own ,I buy it in unfortunately 250 ml syringe see the pic above from Australia 

But...I might ask about this Nebido ..sounds much better , I will prefer this 

also why is my testereone now very high and back in January it was like 187?

Am I not needing testereone anymore ??  

Is that possible do you think ?

Edited July 8, 2023 by oldmanemu53

[manni2011]

1 hour ago, oldmanemu53 said:

The online company I buy from in Australia send me this out in 250ml syringe which makes it difficult as I can not re use the other half if I inject 125 ml a week..here is the pic ,the syringe is big 

Interesting, I’ve never seen Bayer test packaged in preloads like that.
 

Anyhow, your test is 250 mg per ml and there are 3 ml in each of your syringes (note the units Emu because you keep messing them up 😀 The volume of the oil is expressed in ml and the amount of  test in the solution is expressed by mg) 

I assume in Australia you can buy syringes online.  You can just pull the stopper out of the syringe and back fill them so you aren’t wasting your test.   If you will continue your 125 mg of test per week you’d need .5 ml in each syringe (again, mind your units Emu).    I’m not sure what gauge needle is on that syringe  but it looks like a harpoon.   I’d suggest you use 27 gauge needles (it will take a bit of effort to push though) and they probably need to be 1.5” long bc it sounds like you might be a bit chubby. 

 

2 hours ago, oldmanemu53 said:

Am I not needing testereone anymore ??  

Is that possible do you think ?

Are you suggesting that since you’ve been injecting exogenous testosterone for 7 months and your levels have risen that you now may no longer need test injections?   That’s not how it works.  You’ve further suppressed your low natural levels and you either come off and go Through PCP to try to restore to previous low  levels or you stay on the needle.