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36 minutes ago, plahgat said:

The key is to find friends that eats the same healthy food, it makes things so much easier! 🙄

When your family and friends all eat junkfood and sweets, it´s very difficult to maintain a healthy diet for a longer time! 😢

When in Thailand I always easily loose weight, as I can eat what I want and walk around a lot!

Unfortunately I can´t afford to move to Thailand permanently with my meager pension or I would have done that a long time ago! 😢

 

 

Of course, but it hard to choose what your friends eat. 😁 Personally, I just bring my own snacks.

Isn't your rent at home much more expensive than in Thailand?

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13 minutes ago, hioctane said:

Isn't your rent at home much more expensive than in Thailand?

In my case not so much, as I share an old house and costs with my brother.

I can not afford to live alone as apartments rent are indeed very expensive here!

ควายแก่แต่ชอบกินหญ้าอ่อน

 

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I've lost about 50 lbs only eating between 12pm-8pm.  Only exercise I get is walking my dog.  Back down to my high school weight.  I also cut out Coke-COla and the weight just fell off after that.

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i usually only eat once a day, my body seems to prefer it, generally i eat veg & some meat in what ever (quantity) i feel like that day and that comfortably lasts me all day. was never into the fizzy drinks but i do love my sugary sweets; well i did before my pulmonary embolism. now i seem to have no desire in sugary items. over the last 10 or so years i have gone many 36hrs fasting but never anything longer.

from reading this thread, i thought i would give a longer fast a try. mainly to see how hard, or easy it is. as i type this, i am 67hrs into a 72hrs water fast. i am rather surprised how easy it has been. only having the odd moment of feeling hungry. from what i read in google, a 3 day fast i am unlikely to loose any (much) muscle mass.

when dieting (trimming fat) doing my morning weigh ins, i can average 1.2kgs a day fat loss, unfortunately i do not have a scale with my to record how much i am loosing per day in a full fast.

 

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On 09/12/2022 at 16:02, FarangKiNok said:

I have been struggling with alcoholism for years.  My dad had the bug, like his father before him. Working years in a business where alcohol was consumed didn’t help.

I have been trying for years to reduce the drops and its hard. I love cracking open that fresh bottle of bourbon and finishing that sweet flask of whiskey. Along with cases for beer consumed weekly.  

Anyway, there is one food item my body can’t handle, and I have had a challenge with diarrhea or loose bowel. So, I have started eliminating items from my diet.  This has resulted in me staring fasting or intermittent fasting.

I eat lunch or dinner and don’t eat anything for 24 hours.

For me the kicker is that after 24 hours and my body is in ketosis I don’t crave beer and whiskey. After years of drinking this is the first time in as long as I can remember I don’t want alcohol.

In ketosis I feel great. I don’t crave food, beer or whiskey. I have increased energy. At times a bit lightheaded but doing ok.

I have also started ice swimming when in ketosis. Water Temp 34F / 1C

This gives me another boost.

In conclusion eating less has had tremendous benefits for me! Why knew.

Keep at it, dude! I kicked the habit after a heart attack in 2014. I was 34. 

Alcohol was the easiest to drop, compared to cigarettes. 

I also discovered IF and started my 18-6 in January. Without exercise, I lost 3kg a month. 

Moving to Pattaya next week for a few months and planning to couple IF with swimming to achieve my targetted weight loss of 30kg. 

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I think the 16 - 8 method is very beneficial. Do all your eating in that 8hr period then nothing for 16. I do it most days as it fits in with my lifestyle. The best results I personally get come from gym work. I’ve messed about in Gyms now for 40 odd years and still probably spend 15+ hours a week in them now. I enjoy it though so it’s no chore for me. My weight and waist size are less now than when I was 20. I pretty much eat what I like  - usually healthy stuff out of choice. I will have a couple of beers once or twice a week and that’s enough for me.

I remember some gym trainer telling me years ago going to the gym is a ‘lifestyle’ choice and not something to be picked up and dropped. Think he was right. He also said in simple terms to loose weight you have to use more than you’ve put in. So use more calories than you eat - a simple formula I guess. If you can’t manage the gym walking is great too. Just an hour a day will make a big difference. Load up with water and that in itself will stop you feeling hungry.

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54 minutes ago, don henley said:

I think the 16 - 8 method is very beneficial. Do all your eating in that 8hr period then nothing for 16. I do it most days as it fits in with my lifestyle. The best results I personally get come from gym work. I’ve messed about in Gyms now for 40 odd years and still probably spend 15+ hours a week in them now. I enjoy it though so it’s no chore for me. My weight and waist size are less now than when I was 20. I pretty much eat what I like  - usually healthy stuff out of choice. I will have a couple of beers once or twice a week and that’s enough for me.

I remember some gym trainer telling me years ago going to the gym is a ‘lifestyle’ choice and not something to be picked up and dropped. Think he was right. He also said in simple terms to loose weight you have to use more than you’ve put in. So use more calories than you eat - a simple formula I guess. If you can’t manage the gym walking is great too. Just an hour a day will make a big difference. Load up with water and that in itself will stop you feeling hungry.

Just drink when thirsty. Why load up ?   Oh don’t forget salt. 

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Everyone is different. I guess it makes sense to try different thing over a period of time to see what works best for you. Even if your method doesn’t work for everyone else, the only thing that matters is the one that works for YOU. I’ve tried different variations and am now at a pretty happy place regarding weight and conditioning. For me the easiest way to not overeat dinner is simply to eat a fruit 15-20 minutes before dinner, or while preparing dinner. I typically eat an orange and noticed that I never feel like getting a second serving. And I typically feel full for just as long. So makes the calorie intake reasonable. Intermittent fasting wasn’t  for me, it resulted in low energy especially when exercising. But happy to hear others benefit from it.

I usually eat three meals a day. Lunch, dinner and a small afternoon meal. But the last meal is not even every day. Only when I feel like I need it. Sometimes I eat the afternoon meal so I won’t be tempted to eat any snacks. Seems to help.

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14 minutes ago, w1lly said:

Everyone is different. I guess it makes sense to try different thing over a period of time to see what works best for you. Even if your method doesn’t work for everyone else, the only thing that matters is the one that works for YOU. I’ve tried different variations and am now at a pretty happy place regarding weight and conditioning. For me the easiest way to not overeat dinner is simply to eat a fruit 15-20 minutes before dinner, or while preparing dinner. I typically eat an orange and noticed that I never feel like getting a second serving. And I typically feel full for just as long. So makes the calorie intake reasonable. Intermittent fasting wasn’t  for me, it resulted in low energy especially when exercising. But happy to hear others benefit from it.

I usually eat three meals a day. Lunch, dinner and a small afternoon meal. But the last meal is not even every day. Only when I feel like I need it. Sometimes I eat the afternoon meal so I won’t be tempted to eat any snacks. Seems to help.

Do you drink fruit juice 

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42 minutes ago, nunchuck said:

Do you drink fruit juice 

No, almost never, that seems to be just sugar that goes straight into the system and does not have the same effect at all. (At least not for me)If you eat the fruit it has fibres that help regulate how fast energy is absorbed. I have a sneaky suspicion the they add sugar to orange juice, at least at hotels. It doesn’t taste right somehow.

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2 hours ago, w1lly said:. I have a sneaky suspicion the they add sugar to orange juice, at least at hotels. It doesn’t taste right somehow.

Think you are exactly right. Most of the fruit juices that comes in cartons are laden with sugar - best avoided. 

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4 hours ago, don henley said:

Think you are exactly right. Most of the fruit juices that comes in cartons are laden with sugar - best avoided. 

I agree.  Fruit juices are crazy things to drink if you are trying to loose weight.   Promoted as healthy, 555.

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On 09/02/2023 at 08:43, don henley said:

I think the 16 - 8 method is very beneficial. Do all your eating in that 8hr period then nothing for 16. I do it most days as it fits in with my lifestyle. The best results I personally get come from gym work. I’ve messed about in Gyms now for 40 odd years and still probably spend 15+ hours a week in them now. I enjoy it though so it’s no chore for me. My weight and waist size are less now than when I was 20. I pretty much eat what I like  - usually healthy stuff out of choice. I will have a couple of beers once or twice a week and that’s enough for me.

I remember some gym trainer telling me years ago going to the gym is a ‘lifestyle’ choice and not something to be picked up and dropped. Think he was right. He also said in simple terms to loose weight you have to use more than you’ve put in. So use more calories than you eat - a simple formula I guess. If you can’t manage the gym walking is great too. Just an hour a day will make a big difference. Load up with water and that in itself will stop you feeling hungry.

Fasting has worked for me too. Most days, especially working days, I aim for 20 - 4. I'm up at 5 am and don't eat until 5 pm and aim to finish eating around 7.30 pm. I know that's actually 21.5 - 2.5 but I leave some room for not getting it right 100%. I find eating late in the day minimises the chances of evening binges, which has been a problem in the past, because I am far less likely to be hungry going to bed. I aim to exercise on weekdays between 7 and 8 am before I go to work. If I left exercise until after work, it just wouldn't happen for me.

Here's my issue though. It's usually recommended that you eat shortly after a workout to replenish the body and muscles. But when I do that keeping the hours and routine that I do, I inevitably end up eating during my working day and take in too many calories and, put simply, get fat. It's as if eating makes me hungrier. Weight loss only seems to occur successfully for me now within the strict boundaries of late in the day eating window.

I'd welcome your thoughts, or anybody else's, on this please.

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Here's a very good video breaking down what current science has to say about intermittent fasting:

 

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5 hours ago, Punter said:

 

I'd welcome your thoughts, or anybody else's, on this please.

I think eating something after rigorous exercise is essential. But of course it depends on what you eat. For me ( and we are all different) I eat a yoghurt, apple and orange - and that’s it. Don’t eat anything until my next meal. You also need to eat something before you exercise. Think that’s probably more important - you see these footballers and other sportsmen eating ‘fuel food’ like pasta before they start. This exercise business isn’t easy, and means if you want to do it proper you have to completely change your lifestyle. It isn’t about just ‘going to the gym’ it’s about eating and exercising in some sort of harmony ! What ever that is … But you’ve also got to live a bit, enjoy life and a few beers. It’s all possible, but not so easy especially as you get a bit older.

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On 14/12/2022 at 01:36, Loomkey said:

I've lost about 50 lbs only eating between 12pm-8pm.  Only exercise I get is walking my dog.  Back down to my high school weight.  I also cut out Coke-COla and the weight just fell off after that.

Wow.  You lost 25+kg by only eating 12:00 - 20:00. Is that what you mean ?

Its not unusual to only eat between 10:00 and 20:00.  Easy to do for most folk.

I don't believe it.  555.  

You mention Coke, but how much did you drink in a day ? 10 large bottles ?

Glad it worked ofcourse.   But I can't believe you lost 25kg.   Over how many years, decades?

Did you change what you ate drastically, in terms of calories ?

 

 

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1 hour ago, don henley said:

This exercise business isn’t easy, and means if you want to do it proper you have to completely change your lifestyle.

It isn’t about just ‘going to the gym’ it’s about eating and exercising in some sort of harmony !

What ever that is … But you’ve also got to live a bit, enjoy life and a few beers. It’s all possible, but not so easy especially as you get a bit older.

I agree with you, its not easy to change your 'body composition'.  Can be done ofcourse, over time.

For those who enjoy alcohol, its a balance of eating, exercising, and drinking in harmony.

I've been focussing on this for a few months, but trying to avoid 'a complete change of lifestyle'.  More adjusting it.  Cut out all snacks, sugary stuff, etc. Exercise time doubled almost.  Down 7kg currently, 10%.   60+ yrs old.

Not tried IF yet. But only eat 10:00 to 20:00 anyway. 2 times a day.

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On 11/02/2023 at 16:01, don henley said:

I think eating something after rigorous exercise is essential. But of course it depends on what you eat. For me ( and we are all different) I eat a yoghurt, apple and orange - and that’s it. Don’t eat anything until my next meal. You also need to eat something before you exercise. Think that’s probably more important - you see these footballers and other sportsmen eating ‘fuel food’ like pasta before they start. This exercise business isn’t easy, and means if you want to do it proper you have to completely change your lifestyle. It isn’t about just ‘going to the gym’ it’s about eating and exercising in some sort of harmony ! What ever that is … But you’ve also got to live a bit, enjoy life and a few beers. It’s all possible, but not so easy especially as you get a bit older.

Eating before and after exercise is what is most often recommended. It's certainly what I have followed most of my life. However, I am not so sure these days. I did a 6 mile run on Saturday morning. I didn't eat beforehand. David Goggins says that he does 12 miles fasted runs early morning. I didn't feel hungry at all until later in the day.  I think that my body ingested enough carbs late in the day the day before to fuel me throughthat run. 

If you want to maximise cardio performance and build muscle, I would accept that eating before and after exercise is necessary. However, if you are prioritising losing weight I don't think it's essential at all. As long as the body is getting sufficient calories, the body can adapt to what time of day those calories are consumed. 

Just my opinion and I am always open to having my mind changed.

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If anyone is looking for a good book about fasting, I think this is a good one. Dr. Jason Fung has a lot of other good books and has done podcast.

On the topic of working out fasted, it's something I've been doing the past few years. I always work out first thing after I wake up. I think the body will adapt if you've never done it before. After all, the body did evolve in an environment where it had to hunt/forage for food before it could be nourished.

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On 17/05/2023 at 01:38, JapMan said:

If anyone is looking for a good book about fasting, I think this is a good one. Dr. Jason Fung has a lot of other good books and has done podcast.

On the topic of working out fasted, it's something I've been doing the past few years. I always work out first thing after I wake up. I think the body will adapt if you've never done it before. After all, the body did evolve in an environment where it had to hunt/forage for food before it could be nourished.

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Agree with this. I've experimented with 16-8 on and off for years. I've stopped doing it now because I found it negatively affects my concentration at work, but for a period I was doing a cardio workout just before my fast ended at midday. I had no issue putting the work in, and the weight fell off.

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22 minutes ago, Bilbo99 said:

Agree with this. I've experimented with 16-8 on and off for years. I've stopped doing it now because I found it negatively affects my concentration at work, but for a period I was doing a cardio workout just before my fast ended at midday. I had no issue putting the work in, and the weight fell off.

You might try just eating both first meal and last meal earlier, like 11:00 and 19:00. That way you can still keep your energy up at work and maintain a 16 hour fast. It's also beneficial for the sleep to not eat at least 2-3 hours before bedtime.

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I am also on intermittent fasting and it gives me a lot energy. I really love it, although i do 16hrs fasting and 8hrs eating.

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For me, I like to skip breakfast and just drink water until midday. I have a relaxing office job which helps me endure the hunger easily as I can just sit at my desk for the most part. Around lunch time I eat one banana and go to the gym for an hour. The banana gives just enough energy to go through the workout. Then I will drink a protein shake and go on without eating until 6pm and then I just eat a lot of food, ranging for 1500-2000 kcal. Before bedtime I´ll have some protein quark as well.

This works for me very well, although during weekends etc. I am not really able to keep this up. But, If I feel like losing some weight I know this system will bring me good results.

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I know this may sound counterintuitive but usually when I'm in Pattaya, I barely eat. I don't know if it's the alcohol and constant sex but I typically only eat once a day and even that is a chore. I wake up and force food down my belly before I start drinking again. The end result is every time I go to Pattaya I end up losing weight no matter how much I drink. I don't know if anyone else has tried this, but it works. I get to lose a few pounds, pound on some hotties and drink a few pounds worth of beer. Best of all worlds 5555

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On 09/12/2022 at 05:34, Farangkie said:

It's called the 16:8 diet, and it works.

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/16-8-intermittent-fasting

I started, sometimes 18:6, and still do this about 8 years ago to help lose weight. It worked for me as I never really ate breakfast and only drink water/tea most of the time anyway. I lost about 8 lbs and kept it off since then. I only do it M-F and don't really limit myself on weekends, but overall worked for me. But definitely not for everyone. But it's simple to follow then say a diet that you have to count calories or macros

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