Big bike riders crash into sedan in Pattaya, female passenger dies despite helmet

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Pattaya — Big bike riders who were reportedly driving at high speed crashed head-on into a turning sedan in Pattaya yesterday, October 20th, resulting in a fatality of a female passenger despite her wearing a helmet. The two victims, Mr. Thiti Palakawong Na Ayutthaya, 35, and Ms. Thananya Wansaram, 43, were captured by a CCTV […]

Big bike riders crash into sedan in Pattaya, female passenger dies despite helmet
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[LASportsNut]

Right or U-Turn from the curb?

The driver of the car appears to be at fault.

The damage to the motorcycle and the car substantiate that there was high speed involved.

[Atlas]

No winners in this one.... U Turns are dangerous here, they don't look.... "Big bike" would have been going to fast to ride to road conditions.... RIP

[LASportsNut]

8 hours ago, LASportsNut said:

Right or U-Turn from the curb?

The driver of the car appears to be at fault.

The damage to the motorcycle and the car substantiate that there was high speed involved.

I actually meant the damage DID NOT substantiate that high speed was involved.

[snowbird]

an example of bad high speed crash

I had to guess that high speed meant not so fast highway speeds, not how we think of high speed.

Or, he was going fast and slowed down before impact. I'd guess impact speeds of maybe 60kph or 35mph or less.

If you've seen highway speed or faster crashes the car is more mashed up and the bike far more smashed. The front forks are barely bent and the front wheel isn't bent or broken like even a normal speed crash.

Sad none-the-less

Edited October 22, 2022 by snowbird

[simon6666]

10 hours ago, Atlas said:

No winners in this one.... U Turns are dangerous here, they don't look.... 

You're right, they don't look at all, no matter what vehicle they're piloting.

I never see anyone, besides the odd farang, do any kind of significant glancing around while driving.

They all just rely on the cone of sight in front of them, and the fact that people behind them will adjust to whatever they do.

It works, to a degree, but fails miserably any time something unexpected or unusual occurs.

I don't think mirrors get much eyeball action, either.

The driver of the car likely didn't look - I mean it's an illegal turn anyway, crossing double yellow lines - and the motorbike rider probably wouldn't have slowed. A longer, more open road like that they're likely not paying too much attention.

The best driving philosophy is to assume all others on the road are cretins and that they will  make those blindingly obvious mistakes. That they'll make that sharp turn there's no time for. That they'll burst out of the side street directly at you even if it seems like they looked your way. Because that's what they do.

Once they iron it all out, AI is going to be infinitely superior to human driving judgment. There will still be deaths, but nothing like we've experienced. That day can't come quick enough for mine.

RIP to the lady.

The driver of that car could be in a lot of trouble over this one.

[quietguy77]

12 minutes ago, simon6666 said:

The driver of the car likely didn't look

Even if he did he probably didn't see the bike. I used to ride a motorbike and cars would pull out from a side road as I was approaching. They just don't see bikes. Maybe drivers should have regular sight tests. I had a couple of times where I came off bike because of a car pulling out in front of me. I was lucky to only get some scrapes and bruises but could have been a lot worse. 

RIP Thananya Wansaram.

[simon6666]

10 minutes ago, quietguy77 said:

Even if he did he probably didn't see the bike. I used to ride a motorbike and cars would pull out from a side road as I was approaching. They just don't see bikes. Maybe drivers should have regular sight tests. I had a couple of times where I came off bike because of a car pulling out in front of me. I was lucky to only get some scrapes and bruises but could have been a lot worse.

Rare would the case be where eyeballs are the issue. It's usually brain.

I was t-boned by some woman in a car - in my car - and after it happened I said "What happened?" She said "I didn't see you." I could barely believe it.

There was a car parked between where I was and the intersection. Long, open area. I was well visible before the car - I'd spotted her - and for long after I'd passed it.

What she'd done was glance once, briefly, right at the moment I was behind the car, then looked away and just put her foot down.

That's not a sight problem, that's a brain problem.

Obviously a car could have been approaching, moving behind that brief spot she couldn't see. A driver must accommodate for that. You can't just assume because it's not immediately visible that it's not there. You have to factor it in and wait a little, or inch across just in-case it is.

If the lady driving the car in the above incident did glance, the motorbike may have been behind a part of her vehicle she could not see through.

Her brain in that moment should be thinking, "I will wait an extra second and move my head around a bit, because if there was someone there, there's a chance they were where I couldn't see them."

That should be the default, permanent mindset of every single person on the road.

Everyone who values their own safety should essentially be doing it out of instinct but, for various reasons, some just don't.

Really, that should be a much bigger part of license testing. How well do you pay attention? Can you recognize where there's an increased chance of an accident?

See if they can identify the warning signs and different problems they can encounter because that's one of the biggest things getting people killed.

[quietguy77]

I get what you are saying, but I've had motorists say 'I didn't see you'. When riding I would wear a fluorescent jacket and have headlight on, even in daytime. Maybe they see but it doesn't register.

We have had 'Think Bike' campaigns in UK to try to get car drivers to be aware of bikes.

[simon6666]

10 hours ago, quietguy77 said:

I get what you are saying, but I've had motorists say 'I didn't see you'. When riding I would wear a fluorescent jacket and have headlight on, even in daytime. Maybe they see but it doesn't register.

We have had 'Think Bike' campaigns in UK to try to get car drivers to be aware of bikes.

Yeah. They did see, but it didn't reach the threshold of alert.

Their thought is 'Any cars?', and that's what is scanned for.

When it returns 'No cars.' they think 'Good to go.'

Instructors will actually say that: "Check for cars" - they shouldn't.

"Anything moving?" would be better.