Weight loss surgery in Thailand

[poseidon5566]

I can stand it no longer and drastic action is urgently required. Has anyone had this done I'm thi thinking after this trip saving up to get it sorted 

[Luv2Phuket]

Read up on post-surgery recovery time, etc.

I think you may be restricted on travel, and I'm pretty sure you are not going to be fucking for a while after a surgery like that.

That said, it's probably cheaper than in the West.

[likeaking]

I had a GF in Farangland who was a masseuse. Several plastic surgeons in our area included her massage therapy in their liposuction packages. The massages (not Thai massage) break down subcutaneous scar tissue left by the procedure. 

[Arnie85]

What were you thinking, liposuction or a stomach staple?  

This may be of use. 
 

 

[jim lahey]

try saxenda, it works like a lap band by making you feel full all the time but no surgery, just a daily injection with a pen, Ive lost 24kg since december on it

[poseidon5566]

On 08/04/2022 at 22:08, Luv2Phuket said:

Read up on post-surgery recovery time, etc.

I think you may be restricted on travel, and I'm pretty sure you are not going to be fucking for a while after a surgery like that.

That said, it's probably cheaper than in the West.

definitely not thinking of getting laid on this trip I'm 35 and just had enough of diabetes mediction and being overlooked by girls here in England. currently I'm 93 kilos i should be about 70-80kg for a healthy weight.  

[poseidon5566]

Arnie I think staple is the more permeant solution, but it depends on consultation with the consultant when I have have enough money. also what my research revels about risks. in the mean time I'm going to persist with diet and exercise as best i can with this very bad knee that's not a surgical fix according to the orthopedic doctor      

[momo5]

16 minutes ago, poseidon5566 said:

definitely not thinking of getting laid on this trip I'm 35 and just had enough of diabetes mediction and being overlooked by girls here in England. currently I'm 93 kilos i should be about 70-80kg for a healthy weight.  

What’s your BMI ?

That’s typically the determining factor in whether you are a candidate for weight loss surgery.  

[Arnie85]

You don’t get a weight loss surgery to lose only 15-20kg. Weight loss surgeries are for morbidly obese people.  In the west you wouldn’t be able to get a weight loss surgery for that. Who knows about Thailand and Mexico where money talks, but if you only need to lose that amount then watch your intake and exercise. Look into juicing, free documentary on YouTube called Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead.  

Edited April 17, 2022 by Arnie85

[Luv2Phuket]

1 hour ago, Arnie85 said:

You don’t get a weight loss surgery to lose only 15-20kg. Weight loss surgeries are for morbidly obese people.  In the west you wouldn’t be able to get a weight loss surgery for that. Who knows about Thailand and Mexico where money talks, but if you only need to lose that amount then watch your intake and exercise. Look into juicing, free documentary on YouTube called Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead.  

I think that depends on your definition of "weight loss surgery."

While that is certainly true of the extreme stuff -- stomach stapling; gastric band -- it's not necessarily the case with a lipo or cool sculpting type of thing, which may also be considered a weight loss procedure.

 

[likeaking]

Here in the States, before the surgeon will staple or band your stomach you must lose 20-30 lbs. prior to surgery to show commitment to losing weight and not just relying on surgery to lose weight. The patient can gain the weight back again without the will power and commitment to keep it off. 

[alphageek]

I feel bad for you OP. If you are thinking this route, I am sure you have researched everything in between so probably no need for information bombardment on how to lose weight.

My friend had this done 3 years ago. Lost about 30kgs so far. After the initial adjustment period, he said he got used to it. Where most people fail is that during the initial stages, they eat like they used to because their brain hasn’t adjusted and physically, the stomach can not take that much food. He said he would recommend this procedure to morbidly obese people such as himself who has tried everything and nothing has worked. 

[Atlas]

Hey mate,

I had gastric sleeve surgery back in 2013. I was 120KGs, 178cm. 

To me there is a huge difference between a band and sleeve.

From my understanding talking to my surgeon, with a band you are literally restricted to what you can swallow. Basically your food had to be cut so small to let it pass the band. Think steak in a blender !!  

However, the gastric sleeve is literally slicing 3/4 of your stomach out and stapling back up. It was laparoscopic surgery, 3 tiny incisions and virtually no down time. 

You can still eat what you want. Too easy hey ? Nope. 

The hardest part for me was by far the mental side. It's hard to explain but basically I had to retrain my brain to accept smaller portions. I was used to eating a big plate of food. To express the mental side I will put it like this :

Pre surgery I could eat for example 2 x Maccas Quarter Pounders, Fries, milkshake and possibly a sundae to was it all down. No wonder I was fat f#cker !

Post surgery I was lucky to finish a happy meal. Seriously. 

I did no exercise as such. The KGs fell off and by Aug 2013 I was down to my lightest ever weight of 88kg

It is still a challenge to judge how much food I can eat, it's a very fine line between full and over full feeling like shit. It's literally a mouthful difference.

I no longer participate in all you can eat places, just can't get the value

I now hover between 92-95 kgs which is till too much but it's easy to maintain. I keep meaning to start exercising more, but spend too much time on the road and make up for it with waterfall hikes ! 

I am very happy I went down this path and have no doubt I have lived a longer life because of it. 

I wish you luck in your journey. 

 

 

[Zeb]

On 09/04/2022 at 05:23, poseidon5566 said:

I can stand it no longer and drastic action is urgently required. Has anyone had this done I'm thi thinking after this trip saving up to get it sorted 

At your age & weight there are far far better options.

Your first step should be a visit to your own doctor.

If you haven't come across Dr Michael Mosely and his Fast800 program, maybe give it a look. There is lots of info on line here - https://thefast800.com/

and his latest book incorporating Keto is even better and effective. He offers online monitoring of the program for a fairly small fee if that is what you think you need. The book is not expensive either -

https://www.amazon.com.au/Fast-800-Australian-New-Zealand-ebook/dp/B07K6V7922

There is a UK version available.

I use a variation of Michaels approach and it has been very effective.

Take a bit of time to check it out as well as seeing your own doctor.

[TripleIPA]

On 18/04/2022 at 02:42, Arnie85 said:

You don’t get a weight loss surgery to lose only 15-20kg. Weight loss surgeries are for morbidly obese people.  In the west you wouldn’t be able to get a weight loss surgery for that. Who knows about Thailand and Mexico where money talks, but if you only need to lose that amount then watch your intake and exercise. Look into juicing, free documentary on YouTube called Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead.  

you can get lipo in thailand for sure but agree losing 15kg is doable with diet.  first thing I'd stop doing is eating chips and other fried food. then switching to hard liquor+ soda water for my drinks or at the least light beer, and only low cal drinks or water during the day.  as long as you're not in Thailand the ketp/low carb diet works fantastic to keep calorie intake low, however in Thailand I found it too difficult to avoid rice

[poseidon5566]

So gentlemen i have decided while i save up for surgery i will be visiting my doctor (if i can get a bloody appointment!) to start on either semaglutide or liraglutide as a diabetic they want to put on insulin (not happening) and with my BMI I should meet the requirements for going on one of these drugs I bileve the NHS will go for semaglutide given they want my hba1c down and has a stronger clinical case for diabetics i will keep this posted ,if i get any where tomorrow. Otherwise I have an appointment to start saxenda privately with my pharmacist. I am currently 97kg and will update when i have started the drug and how I feel each week with weight so others can see if it works or not   

[jim lahey]

i lost 30kg in 6 months on saxenda, easiest way i have ever lost weight. You don't even think about eating on it, desire for beer goes downhill also. I ate about 1500 calories a day and never felt hungry. I gained about 20kg over the last 2 yrs due to covid lockdowns and working permanent graveyard shift. Done zero exercise apart from the 20000 steps a day i do at work which I also done when I gained the weight. A medical at work which i had to do to keep driving trains forced me to lose weight

 

Edited June 7, 2022 by jim lahey

[poseidon5566]

So got prescribed semaglutide which is ozempic by the doctor. my mother is starting saxenda so will be interesting to see who looses what  

[Atlas]

14 minutes ago, poseidon5566 said:

So got prescribed semaglutide which is ozempic by the doctor. my mother is starting saxenda so will be interesting to see who looses what  

Good luck mate 

[talung66]

On 09/04/2022 at 02:23, poseidon5566 said:

I can stand it no longer and drastic action is urgently required. Has anyone had this done I'm thi thinking after this trip saving up to get it sorted 

I just found this thread there are about 4 different  procedures 

 

On 07/06/2022 at 15:30, poseidon5566 said:

So got prescribed semaglutide which is ozempic by the doctor. 

Cant get in in OZ as it is on script only  for diabetes. As it has been over subscribed for weight loss and no longer given for weight loss. 

On 18/04/2022 at 10:25, Atlas said:

Hey mate,

I had gastric sleeve surgery back in 2013. I was 120KGs, 178cm. 

To me there is a huge difference between a band and sleeve.

From my understanding talking to my surgeon, with a band you are literally restricted to what you can swallow. Basically your food had to be cut so small to let it pass the band. Think steak in a blender !!  

However, the gastric sleeve is literally slicing 3/4 of your stomach out and stapling back up. It was laparoscopic surgery, 3 tiny incisions and virtually no down time. 

You can still eat what you want. Too easy hey ? Nope. 

The hardest part for me was by far the mental side. It's hard to explain but basically I had to retrain my brain to accept smaller portions. I was used to eating a big plate of food. To express the mental side I will put it like this :

Pre surgery I could eat for example 2 x Maccas Quarter Pounders, Fries, milkshake and possibly a sundae to was it all down. No wonder I was fat f#cker !

Post surgery I was lucky to finish a happy meal. Seriously. 

I did no exercise as such. The KGs fell off and by Aug 2013 I was down to my lightest ever weight of 88kg

It is still a challenge to judge how much food I can eat, it's a very fine line between full and over full feeling like shit. It's literally a mouthful difference.

I no longer participate in all you can eat places, just can't get the value

I now hover between 92-95 kgs which is till too much but it's easy to maintain. I keep meaning to start exercising more, but spend too much time on the road and make up for it with waterfall hikes ! 

I am very happy I went down this path and have no doubt I have lived a longer life because of it. 

I wish you luck in your journey. 

 

 

How is it going now.

My GP helps a weight loss surgeon and in my visits is dead set againt it for me.

I talked to her 2 times now and she says they dont last after a while it expands 

She pushing me for the gastric by pass 

I want a gastric balloon now.

[Atlas]

1 hour ago, talung66 said:

I just found this thread there are about 4 different  procedures 

 

Cant get in in OZ as it is on script only  for diabetes. As it has been over subscribed for weight loss and no longer given for weight loss. 

How is it going now.

My GP helps a weight loss surgeon and in my visits is dead set againt it for me.

I talked to her 2 times now and she says they dont last after a while it expands 

She pushing me for the gastric by pass 

I want a gastric balloon now.

They do last BUT....

Of course like your normal stomach it's possible over time to eat too.much and it will expand.... that's a no brained....

BUT... as I said I have conquered the MENTAL side and no longer need to eat a kg of food to feel full.

It works for me. 

Not sure about gastric bypass but band is too restricted on what you can eat 

[Luv2Phuket]

I'm Type 1 diabetic (insulin dependent) and asked my Dr about ozempic.

He said it has only been cleared for Type 2 diabetics here in the USA. Translation: there is no way in Hell that my insurance will pay for it.

[talung66]

1 hour ago, Luv2Phuket said:

I'm Type 1 diabetic (insulin dependent) and asked my Dr about ozempic.

He said it has only been cleared for Type 2 diabetics here in the USA. Translation: there is no way in Hell that my insurance will pay for it.

I think it comes in at $100  a week or  $400 per month in OZ 

But doctors have been told not to subscribe it for weight loss as there is insufficient supply in OZ. Not sure if one on benefits pays the  pharmaceutical benefit scheme price at  $6.50.

I just asked at closest  pharmacy in soi Diana they will need  order it in and not ozampic think it the other one mentioned in thread. 13 000 baht for 1 months supply  

[poseidon5566]

The ozempic has been smashing my weight. under 90kg for the first time in years it was lower but i had to stop because i got quite sick with all the medication after testing positive for klebsiela in Thailand. it also smashed by glucose numbers hba1c was 62 come down to 43 in a month. It really is a wonder drug and as a diabetic its free on the nhs there is also a tablet form as well you can take now as well, but I'm sick of daily tablets as you can imagine so wanted the injection    

[jim lahey]

Saxenda is $100 per week in oz, was on it for 6 months lost 34kg can still get it perscribed for weight loss, the same telehealth providers that do viagra and hair loss treatments also can send this to your home after filling out a quick questionnaire 

Ozempic is the one on PBS think it costs $80 a month, thats why more people to to get it over saxenda.

Saxenda is a daily injection and is for weight loss, ozempic is for type 2 diabetes and a weekly injection.