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When did all this ST from agogo bars become the norm ??

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jim lahey

Why s/t from a go go when you can get a similar experience in a gentlemen's club or Soi 6 for 1400 or so all in.

Not like the girls are much different, one particular go go loves recruiting ex Soi 6 girls

 

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happymonkey

These days even girls on BR are reluctant of going LT. The times have changed, no doubt. And they keep changing every year.

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happymonkey

Soi 6. Short time still a good option for 1000 baht plus 300 barfine. Also room included (don’t like these rooms though). Several times have asked for LT and it is already 3000 quite often. Some bargainig may lower the price to 2000. But the tendency is obvious: LT is not welcome at Soi 6 too already.

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happymonkey
On 01/09/2019 at 18:43, Daz Manc said:

ST gradually took over from LT since 2 things happened about 8 years ago

Affordable Samsung Smart phones in Thailand and the rise of the disco / club culture.

Basically the young girls want to party, so they do ST, then message their mates and all meet in a club, much more fun than lying next to some snoring customer.

Not to party but to get another customer at the disco. You cannot party every day month after month. 

The biggest change of all is the rising (for many consecutive years) Thai economy. These girls are not in the business of survival anymore. They can choose an easier path. Pattaya is the seller’s market these days.

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George1234
1 hour ago, jim lahey said:

Why s/t from a go go when you can get a similar experience in a gentlemen's club or soi 6 for 1400 or so all in.

Not like the girls are much different, one particular go go loves recruiting ex soi 6 girls

Why? Because it is just your opinion that there isn't much difference between Soi Six girls and GoGos girls. Other people are of the opinion that the difference in looks is night and day. Along with budget, this is one of the main reasons why people barfine from different places.

Different people with very different budgets and opinions, there is nothing curious about why people barfine from different places. 

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Scuba+
Why? Because it is just your opinion that there isn't much difference between Soi Six girls and GoGos girls. Other people are of the opinion that the difference in looks is night and day. Along with budget, this is one of the main reasons why people barfine from different places.
Different people with very different budgets and opinions, there is nothing curious about why people barfine from different places. 
I agree that a gogo like Pin-Up is night and day currently, but i know one Soi 6 girl who moved to Sapphire and a beach road girl who moved to Diamond, so there will be pre gogo girls currently in Soi 6, it's just a case of spotting them

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George1234
25 minutes ago, Scuba+ said:

I agree that a gogo like Pin-Up is night and day currently, but i know one Soi 6 girl who moved to Sapphire and a beach road girl who moved to Diamond, so there will be pre gogo girls currently in Soi 6, it's just a case of spotting them

A significant part of the lineup of any GoGo is ‘filler’,  but that is immaterial to people who enjoy the likes of Pin-Up or Palace. It is the percentages and absolutes at the top end that matter. 

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whitespider

I can report from 30 years of experience but don’t actually know the answer to the question related to Pattaya specifically.

I lived in Bangkok for 17 years until moving down this way 14 years ago.

ST in Bkk was virtually unheard of outside the “in house” bars like Star of Light and Lolita’s.

So much so that it was simply never discussed! You asked a girl in a bar or gogo if she wanted to go. If the answer was yes both parties just “assumed” it was an all night arrangement. It was just the way it was.

Before I moved to Pattaya I had only spent one night there before so the ENTIRE ST thing was a bit of a culture shock. I still hate ST to this day - rarely if ever do it.

So - to try and answer the question (about Pattaya) - 

ST was quite normal when I moved here (in Pattaya) 13/14 years ago. So “overall” ST existed at some point prior to that.

As to gogo bars specifically - it existed back then but was rare as opposed to the norm.

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GoodMan555
3 hours ago, jim lahey said:

Why s/t from a go go when you can get a similar experience in a gentlemen's club or soi 6 for 1400 or so all in.

Not like the girls are much different, one particular go go loves recruiting ex soi 6 girls

 

To me the biggest difference between these venues is the amount of work that you would have to do to find the lookers that you like.  To my personal taste, there are probably 10-20 really good looking girls on all Soi 6, top to bottom of soi, both sides.

I visited more than 15 GCs during the last four weeks, I probably saw less than 10 really good looking girls in all 15.  And only one of these 10 would match the looks of the top 2 girls at Windmill... And everyone here says that Windmill does not have the top girls in the gogos. 

Taking it to an extreme, you can find stunners in the beer bars too, but it will take you the whole day zig zagging on a motorbike between all the sois to spot one.

Personally, I am a gogo boy and I love sitting in the gogos and playing with the girls there as much as fucking.  Keep in mind that fucking takes 30 minutes but playing with these dolls at the gogo can go on for hours.  And I love the gogo atmosphere.  So the last thing I want to do after 5 hours at the gogo, is go to Soi6 and the GCs (assuming any are still open at that time) and look for the needle in a haystack stunner at that point... after I've already been with 5 or 6 at the gogo.

That's why I end up barfining a gogo girl - amount of work and timing.  But I don't pay more than 2K short time.  These last four weeks, almost every one asked for 2K.  I only had one ask 3K, and that was the one who pretended to like me the most.

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GlennUK

I would say that in Pattaya it changed early 2000 prior to that ST was only available at  Soi 6 Gentleman clubs and Beach Rd it was almost always LT. It coincides with the rise of the internet and faulty reporting that girls could be had for 200 - 300 baht. You found girls who would only go ST or even some who actually did not go at all. I do not mean not with me but you would see these very pretty girls in the bar every night all night, there job was just to get the customers in.

Before this and strange to report to mongers who have not experienced it but girls would see themselves as your temporary Girlfriends clean your hotel room pack unpack cook for you even refuse payment as they had enough money!  These girls are not the old ones but young stunners of which there were a lot more about. If you wonder why down soi 8 there are very big bars that was because they used to be packed with 20 or 30 girls In fact there were over 100 bars in the 2 soi's. 

With the influx of more mongers who only saw it as a sex destination the girls adjusted their business model and found it more to their liking. Long time entails hanging round with a guy who is a lot older doesn't speak your language and almost certainly doesn't like your taste in TV or music. Plus of course they are used to working a night shift so do not want to go to sleep at 1am or 2am.

If they do a ST they can go back to the bar or go to a Disco all with their mates or go an see their Thai boyfriend or husband. Pattaya is a pale imitation of what it once was though still probably better than any other place and sadly I do not think it will ever return to its former glory. Bargirls are not suddenly going to change their attitude, the high prices in gogo's for drinks and bar fines cannot go down to any significant extent. Even supposing there was a major economic crash which resulted in there being a lot more girls wanting to be bargirls salaries are only a part of the costs of running a gogo. The tourist mix now has so many Indians and chinese just cluttering up the place those days are forever gone.

 

 

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ipman123

Around 2015-2016

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QuotaMan

I think many of us can agree that it's been going on for quite a long time now.

Not only the preference for short times, but those who try to cheat you of long times with excuse about the sick parakeet.

Many factors as to why so many girls would rather do ST than LT, all discussed here and in other threads.

I'm sure some guys think why wouldn't these girls want to stay long time with a customer. Eat at the finest restaurants, stay overnight in a comfortable, clean, and air conditioned room, etc. Easy money right? 

I think it was Evil Penevil that made a great point before about the dynamics of bargirls had changed through the years. Decades ago it was more about "take care of customer" but now it is all about "customer take care of me." And sadly us mongers have only ourselves to blame for some of that as well. 

Plus with social media a lot of these girls think nothing of having their pictures taken at work in skimpy clothes and bikinis. It's like an ego stroke for them to be all dolled up and having their Facebook friends press the like button. There's no shame in it at all and the bars and gogo's are a great way to have sanuk while getting paid handsomely at the same time.  Why should some of these girls put forth the time and effort to 'take care' of customer when they have it made?

That's not to say bargirls won't do long times. They still do but you just have to do a better job of vetting them first.

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Explorer8939

I don’t remember doing anything but STs at gogos back in the day.

 

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mmaaarrrkkk
On ‎04‎/‎09‎/‎2019 at 22:58, misteregg said:

Girls have never liked long time.

Never understood the fascination with LTs. After the first fuck , you have a total stranger (who could have a knife or even a gun in her handbag ; or might be high on yaba) watching you sleep with eyes wide open hoping she was at the club with her friends or at the somtam stall chilling...... instead she's watching a fat slob snoring away waiting for daylight to come. Anyone who ever had insomnia (not the club!) will know how a few hours of doing nothing and thinking nonsense can make you do stupid things.

And ............ after ive seen/feel/grab/sucked those ass and tits , I want new ones!

If you have wood in the morning , play 'their' game the way it has 'devastatingly' affected your mongering. Go online and order one!

 

 

 

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MarkKetting
On 01/09/2019 at 22:24, Jack Frost said:

7 years plus its all changed & ST is all it is.

I`m only here since 2 years but LT is all I do...
so saying `ST is all there is` would be a wrong statement.

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Scuba+
Never understood the fascination with LTs. After the first fuck , you have a total stranger (who could have a knife or even a gun in her handbag ; or might be high on yaba) watching you sleep with eyes wide open hoping she was at the club with her friends or at the somtam stall chilling...... instead she's watching a fat slob snoring away waiting for daylight to come. Anyone who ever had insomnia (not the club!) will know how a few hours of doing nothing and thinking nonsense can make you do stupid things.
And ............ after ive seen/feel/grab/sucked those ass and tits , I want new ones!
If you have wood in the morning , play 'their' game the way it has 'devastatingly' affected your mongering. Go online and order one!
 
 
 
I agree, i never bother with LT, ST is much better then they go. What's the point having a girl stay all night who doesn't want to be there

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QuotaMan

Sure some days I just don't feel like a long time. So I'll head over to Soi 6 and have a pleasant few hours.

But other nights I actually do prefer a long time. If I knew for certain I'd have a great long time experience with a girl of course I would prefer long time over short time. Every time. But sadly that is never guaranteed and that is the problem.

Having a good long time experience is part skill and experience (in vetting) and part luck. The best long time I ever had with a girl was two years ago with a bargirl from a Soi LK agogo. I was walking around when a girl sitting out in front walked up to me, took my hand, and escorted me into the gogo. She was all over me and wanted me to kiss her. I felt the chemistry was good enough and while it was up to me to pick short time or long time, I picked long time and did not regret it. Her idea of long time was staying with me until early the next evening before she had to report back to her shift at the gogo. 

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ludwighigh

One trip in August 2017 was a disaster with TGs who wanted to leave early, could not find LT to save my life, TGs who who were too drunk.

This most recent trip was quite different.  Had excellent, excellent luck and some great experiences. TGs who wanted to stay to 11 and later, were all-around great.

I think too many people are fighting over the facebook, bikini mafia, or otherwise well-known girls, etc. going to the "best" gogos, and not looking for the value girls in gogos.  I am not talking about fatties, I mean ones who are overlooked for one reason or another, but are genuinely attractive and appealing.

It takes more work for vetting and you have to be able to have a drink in three different places in an hour if that's required to meet someone you like, and to get up and leave and try somewhere else if things aren't working out.  That also means being out early, not starting your search 1:45AM where you have one chance to make something happen with the gogo leftovers before everything closes.  I also think that for me, being slightly more sober probably helped as well. 

Also, the second thing worse than the shot girls are when a staff that wasn't helping you that night comes up and asks for a drink.  Very, very aggravating. I generally completely ignore the shot girls and they go away, or make a joke and say that if I buy a shot I will get sick in their bar.

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hardy641
This problem does not depend on which GOGO you visit.
They differ well in terms of the requirements women have to achieve their quota each month.
At some GOGO they have to have 5 lady drinks every night or 50 lady drinks in 10 days and are not so keen on going too early in the evening with a customer. If they have not received any lady drink in two days then they do not want to leave the place and if they do they may want to return to the place after they lose money on LT and choose ST instead.
At other GOGO they have to have 8 barfine in a month and these are more maid to join customers at LT.
These quotas already existed in the early 90's, probably much longer.
And cuts in salary were more substantial that time as the salary made a bigger proportion of their available income.

I doubt that a good looking girl who makes 3 or 4k per ST does care a lot, if a few couple of thousand THB are cut off her salary at the end of the month coz of missing a quote on drinks.

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hardy641
A significant part of the lineup of any GoGo is ‘filler’,  but that is immaterial to people who enjoy the likes of Pin-Up or Palace. It is the percentages and absolutes at the top end that matter. 
I don't disagree with most of your observations bar one.
Why the hell would punters travel around the world to ONLY watch pretty girls in gogo bar in a developing country?

Thailand was well known for the fact that you could get these beauties for a reasonable amount and they even offered a great service/illusion.

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Chicagoarc

On my last trip, I experienced all sorts of the events discussed here. Had a ST one night that was surprised I didn’t beg for more (still very happy), had another ST ask if I wanted another shot ( I did, but was pressed for time as I had something else lined up that night), had a girl turn me down for ST because she only wanted LT, had another do the exact opposite, and had a LT turn into a 3 day sex fest. The vetting is probably the most important tip you could get from the comments here. Just go, be the happiest person you can be, smile ALL THE TIME (seriously, when in public plaster it on. I usually keep the idea of what other friends would think of all this and I’m smiling like a lottery winner), and don’t treat the girls like they are there just for your enjoyment and you will do great.

 

As for the comment about missing out on drink levels, in my admittedly limited knowledge, the girls I have met tend to get a bit competitive with each other about who can earn the most tickets. I was spending a few nights with a BG I’d met a few times last Feb 28th when she was cashing her chits in. The crowing she did and cat calls to the other girls there was one of the real eye opening moments I had from that trip. February has 28 days, I know she took a few off from the bar, and watched her climb up on the bar and mock 2 of the other girls that turned in around 100+ each. She was cackling as she dropped her 250, grabbed my arm and said “NOW YOU TAKE ME TO ROOM AND FUCK MY BRAINS OUT” to cement her dominance.  They take pride in NOT getting their salary docked. And they enjoy being able to take the piss from their friends at the bar as well over things like this.

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talung66
12 hours ago, Explorer8939 said:

I don’t remember doing anything but STs at gogos back in the day.

 

how far is your back in the day.

In my back in the day agogo bars closed at 0200 LT was a given except in day time ones  ST at nevada and far eat rock

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Explorer8939
Just now, talung66 said:

how far is your back in the day.

In my back in the day agogo bars close at 0200 LT was a given except in day time ones  ST at nevada and far eat rock

I am talking about 2005 or so. I don’t remember ever having a lady spend the night, except for one beer bar cashier.

i remember ST with a girl from the Peppermint disco, when it was a big place on the second floor. If I had known people would be talking about this stuff in the future, I would have tried to remember more.

 

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talung66
11 minutes ago, Explorer8939 said:

I am talking about 2005 or so. I don’t remember ever having a lady spend the night, except for one beer bar cashier.

i remember ST with a girl from the Peppermint disco, when it was a big place on the second floor. If I had known people would be talking about this stuff in the future, I would have tried to remember more.

 

Same time frame  peppermint one of my favourite did bar fine there many a time.

The stuff everyone is talking about is the big change in the GFE from that era as i remember it was sleep till wake get one more in go out for lunch polity send her on her way  on a motor taxi now its a tap on the shoulder when the sun come up i go now at best.

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Explorer8939
43 minutes ago, talung66 said:

Same time frame  peppermint one of my favourite did bar fine there many a time.

The stuff everyone is talking about is the big change in the GFE from that era as i remember it was sleep till wake get one more in go out for lunch polity send her on her way  on a motor taxi now its a tap on the shoulder when the sun come up i go now at best.

Sun come up?

I get the "I need to give key to roommate now" story after getting back to the hotel.

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