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I have a few friends that retired to Dumaguete from Vegas USA to The Philippines and are telling me it is better then Thailand as it is cheaper and Visas are easier for retired, you do not have to tie up as much money so I joined a few facebook groups, the people are much different between the two I think. Thailand the people are less judgmental and do not care as much about what you do, if you are religious and in the Philippines they are much more conservative and are very Christian so call believes. The Thai ex-pats do like to get into political debates but not like the Filipino ex-pats, they are like Americans and want to convert you into their way of thinking. I really hate that, most are hypocrites, my friends friend bad mouths ladyboys all the time but gets caught leaving a bar with a ladyboy on his arm hoping no one see them. 

He said the English is much easier in the Philippines as most people speak good English as in Thailand they do not. But I am checking out Jomtien which I had not many English problems, as there are many tourist so the people do speak enough to get by. IMHO I think that the money you save in the Philippines is not worth where you live, he said the Philippines feels nothing like Thailand but more like Mexico, very 3rd world and poor. I like Thai food much better, do not really know what to eat in the Philippines, I found the food very greasy and the love fast food there. The girls are a little soft in the middle I think. 

I do like the Philippines as there are Casinos there, I do like to play low stakes poker, Thailand it is currently against the law but you can just go over the border to Cambodia. it is not a necessity though. Watching youtube there seems to be a lot more Thai bloggers and a few of the Filipino bloggers are jumping out and moving to Vietnam as it is cheap. 

What is your opinion between the two? I was actually looking at Subic Bay.

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Loom

Also:

- safety

- infrastructure

- extra-girl-activity

- healthcare

- communication

- expat community

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NorCalKid

Just my opinion, worth what you paid for it. 

Subic Bay sucks.  I wouldn't live there. 

In general I feel Thailand is much more livable than the PI.   But I prefer the Filipino people to the Thais.   I have been to a few places in the PI that I'd say are much more livable than AC. 

I don't really see the visa thing being an issue for someone w means in either country.(if over 50) 

I haven't been to Dumaguete, it's on my list. 

If I was looking to settle down I'd be looking in the PI.   If looking for more of a mongering lifestyle or golf I'd be looking around Pattaya.  You couldn't pay me to settle down W a Thai. 

I think the only real way to know is to spend a couple months in different places.   No commitment, just rent and try it. Really depends what your looking for??

 

If I had the money and could retire now my ideal lifestyle would probably be bring a nice Filipina to Thailand and live there.  

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youngexpat

I would retire in chiang mai and visit pattaya on occasion

Philippines creeps me out. I had a wonderful time at a resort one time on one of the exterior islands, then we stopped in cebu over night on the way back and it was a nightmare. Every person was grifting and looking to scam it was just awful

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jumbojet
3 minutes ago, youngexpat said:

I would retire in chiang mai and visit pattaya on occasion

Philippines creeps me out. I had a wonderful time at a resort one time on one of the exterior islands, then we stopped in cebu over night on the way back and it was a nightmare. Every person was grifting and looking to scam it was just awful

The burning season makes Chiang Mai unlivable for a quarter of the year.

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youngexpat
2 minutes ago, jumbojet said:

The burning season makes Chiang Mai unlivable for a quarter of the year.

but I love it when it "snows" in the winter

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bm69

There are so many factors to consider,do you want to live in the philippines just coz its cheaper? your friends have probably settled down there with a girl,do you want that? or you want to come angeles city and live it up?..i live in angeles but prefere thailand,having ozz$$ dont make it easy..

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rob63

Op we need to know more about you, your personality and your requirements to give you a usable answer. You will get passionate answers favoring either location.

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WhiteThai

Subic is nice, especially on the old base. I would much rather live there than AC. But there is no casino poker anywhere in Subic, I think the closest poker games are in AC, which is less than a hour away if you have a car. 

Your best bet might be to live in PI for 6 months and make up your own mind.

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Lok Jit

P.I. English---Hi Unemployment---Hi Drug problem--Few Golf courses---Fewer P4P Ladies...USA citizens can get Easy visa due to WW2 treaties...Somewhat Cheaper then LOS...7000 Islands to see ---Boracay is a Nice tourist Area...More dirty and Police sleep on the Job often so little Help from them Usually...

If Money is Not your Problem Try Hua Hin to learn the Ropes before coming to Pattaya

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schta

Having stayed in both Phil/Thai the amount of activities is 5X more in Thailand.  The weather on average is much better in Thai.   Food better in Thai.  Women are nicer in Phil.   Much cleaner in Thai (food/women/hotels etc)  The best thing to do is to visit both places for 2 months each and then start spending more time in the place that meets your preference best.

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NorCalKid
3 hours ago, popeyesretreat said:

Well I think I am more of a moderate for my political beliefs but I find conservatives if you do not agree with everything they believe in you are a liberal in their eyes. If you believe in the right to own arms you should also be pro-life which I believe it is the females right, I also believe in some social programs but not all. as I do Conservatives like to label me a socialist. 

I can care less about if you are straight or gay, my ass is off limits and I do not care if you like to use yours to take a dick. I am very sarcastic as you can tell and do not take thing personal but neither should you

I did think of staying in Subic bay for a few months, not 6 months but 3 should be enough, you can always go back.

The housing may be cheaper in the Philippines but the condos look much nicer in Jomtien , Rather spend a little more to live in a nicer place. I also hear that Thailand is safer, less crime and less violence less gun problems. Both are very racist, but that doesn't affect me a older fat white guy.  

I also like to travel and think there is more closer to Thailand then the Philippines. 

I can be very opinionated and do let things bother me when someone disagrees and tries to change my view with lies and no real prof. I do change my mind if it is logical and make sense.

Umm, I think perhaps he meant what your looking for in a retirement destination. 

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talung66

You will be more at home in the philippines as a yank

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Luv2Phuket

A couple of posts hidden per Rule 19 and the "no politics" rule.

Although they may have seemed innocuous, they are not roads we want to go down.

 

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Luv2Phuket
5 hours ago, schta said:


The weather on average is much better in Thai.   
 

 

According to Wiki, the Philippines has been recognized as "the most exposed country in the World to tropical storms."

They seem to get hit with multiple typhoons each year - same Wiki article says they get hit with 5 destructive storms per year, on average.

It may rain like mofo in Thailand at times, but you generally don't get the winds and destruction of a typhoon.


I wasn't very happy with my last couple of trips to the Philippines, so I haven't been back, and I certainly couldn't see myself retiring there.  Maybe if I ever retired in Thailand I would take an occasional side trip there to check it out?

Personally, the constant hands out, followed by "tip? tip, boss?!?"  REALLY grated on my nerves.  I'm usually a big tipper, but at least DO SOMETHING for the tip, instead of walking up as I am leaving the bar.

I have a friend who is spending a lot of time in Philippines now and he has promised that we would have LOTS of fun, so maybe I should pay him a visit and see if I get a better impression?  

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ChiFlyer

Once upon a time, I married a Filippina with a view toward moving there, when I retired. After 10 years, I changed my mind, because I found the Filipino banks, infrastructure, and general bs more difficult to deal with than Thailand.

Yes, visas etc. are easier. However, banking rules and how Foreigners are treated business wise are much worse than Thailand. As an example, it took me 4 months to close down a Filipino bank account. 

Are Filipinas more sexually accommodating than Thai ladies? Initially yes, but in the long run I would say no.

I dislike Filipino food. I like Thai food.

As they say -> up to you.

Good luck.

 

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Inigo

Dumaguete has a large expat community of US military veterans, so you can expect a certain world-view down there that you may or may not agree with. I doubt that you'd find the same thing in Angeles or Cebu.

The comparisons between Thailand and the PI have been made endlessly. There's a good and very extensive thread (over 50 pages) on the subject  that was started just a few months ago on the SEA Forum at Thai Visa. I won't link to it here as I don't know if we're allowed to link to other forums. Just find the other countries forums near the bottom of the list, go to the SEA Forum and you'll see the Philippines thread.

Basically, a guy who'd lived in Thailand for a decade relocated to Cebu City some years ago and is describing the differences between life in the two countries, it's long but highly illuminating. The big turn-off for me as I get older and more decrepit is what he says about the hospitals, doctors and pharmacies there, sufficient for anything basic, but forget about it and hop on a plane to Singapore or Bangkok for anything serious. Also the grinding poverty in the place must be offputting, gangs of children trying to pick your pockets or steal your phone. It's a decade since I last visited the PI and I was surprised at how little seems to have improved, at least for the 90 million or so ordinary people.

Seriously, spend a day or three going through that thread, there's a mass of detail there and the guy's being quite even-handed, he's not trying to sell life in the PI as better than Thailand at all, he makes it clear that it's all down to you and what you want and what you make of it.

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CyberPro
12 hours ago, Kahoy said:

Over 20 years or so I personally knew half a dozen guys who either got shot or kidnapped, never to be seen again. None of the perps was ever apprehended. I got held up by a couple of trike drivers near checkpoint about 20 years ago. They saw that I was wearing a swiss watch and that made me a target because of my propensity to walk home every night. The same watch stayed on my wrist for years in Bangkok. 

Foreigners are very regularly found murdered in their apartments with all signs pointing to the wife's family. Police setups and scams are quite common as well. If you get stung by one you better have several million pesos lying around or you will rot in jail and be unlikely to see the inside of a courtroom for years. The Aussie consulate is worse than useless as well. Typical scams generally involve planting drugs or accusations leading to human trafficking  charges and neither will be contested by the consulate.

The above would be huge deal breakers for me. A Filipina friend from a former job repeatedly invited me to accompany her on periodic trips to the Phils but didn't want me going alone for fear I'd "disappear into the Phils"...ie be kidnapped. Other Filipinas I worked with in the US were closely guarded by PI relatives during trips there for the same reason. 

There was an expat living in a very modest nipa hut in Southern Mindanao, ie undoubtedly had very little money. The locals even kidnapped HIM! Good luck on getting ransom from such a person. Probably had a very sad ending. :(

re being murdered by the wife's family: It doesn't matter what assets you actually have, it's what they THINK you have. They think foreigners are all rich and earning money in a 1st world country is easy. If you have more perceived value to them dead than alive, then LOOK OUT dude!

And if any PI national wants to make trouble for you, all they have to do is claim you broke the law and unless you have a lawyer already set up to make the necessary payoffs, you can sit in a PI prison for FIVE YEARS waiting for your case to come to court. Sound attractive? :o

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Ludhamlad

There's an American Vlogger channel name is Asian Romance and he actually left Thailand to live in the Philippines.  His view after living in various places is that Makati is the best place to live in the Philippines.

I spent 3 weeks in Makati and a few days in Sabang Puerto Gallera in June and was glad to get back to Bangkok for the great infrastructure and all that it offers.  Safety wasn't so much a concern it's just the getting about from one area to another that's the problem.

For me a better alternative is Vietnam which I definitely will be going back to.

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Brianmills808

Someone above said it best. The relationships, visas, and expenses are better in PI. But I think the food, activities, cleanliness, and one night stands are best in Thai. 

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Colin back in Pattaya

As one or two others have said, you really need to spend some time in both places to get a feel for their good and bad points.

a LOT nearer home for you, I've heard several Americans sing the praises of Cartagena on the Caribbean coast of Colombia. Yes, you'd probably have to learn Spanish if you don't already speak it, but Colombian women are said to be among the sexiest on the planet.

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popeyesretreat
12 hours ago, talung66 said:

You will be more at home in the philippines as a yank

 

Why do you think that, you Bogan? change my mind.

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Kahoy
8 minutes ago, popeyesretreat said:

 

Why do you think that, you Bogan? change my mind.

There are several reasons why that may be true. Firstly, the Philippines was a US colony, albeit a reluctant one, for may years and have adopted many American traits such as a liking for American food and western music. The food is not spicy. But mainly because there was a large US air force base at Angeles City and a navy base at Subic Bay. Unlike Thailand which seems toi have a strong British component, most of the bars are or were run by Americans and there is a large contingency of American ex military expats retired there with their Filiina wives. The whole flavor of the expat scene is predominantly American. There is also a VA hospital (I think) still in Angeles and some VA support services such as VFW.

That said, the American flavor has diminished somewhat due to the ex military expats dying off and the influx of Koreans into the bar scene. There has also been some outflow of western expats for other reasons beyond the scope of this board to discuss.

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jocky king

Everyone has the different way of life and habits  , best thing to do is to take 3 months each and compare afterwards . 

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