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bukone
6 minutes ago, cigar7 said:

When departing the hotel, ask for the photo copy to be returned to you. There is no need for them to retain it.

Easy in hindsight 555 

I don’t think they have to hand that over do they.

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Kahoy
Posted (edited)
12 minutes ago, cigar7 said:

When departing the hotel, ask for the photo copy to be returned to you. There is no need for them to retain it.

Do you think those records are returned or destroyed in your country? AFAIK, in oz all financial records are required by law to be kept for 7 years, that would include the identity of the person who paid for the room. What would happen if the cops came looking for the records trying to track down a wanted fugitive months later?

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wadman
2 minutes ago, Kahoy said:

Do you think those records are returned or destroyed in your country? AFAIK, in oz all financial records are required by law to be kept for 7 years, that would include the identity of the person who paid for the room. What would happen if the cops came looking for the records trying to track down a wanted fugitive months later?

Doesn't the hotel have to register you on the TM30 form?  So there would be a trail/record somewhere anyway, even if they gave you back the photocopy, and destroyed the digital scan.

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Kahoy
Posted (edited)
5 minutes ago, wadman said:

Doesn't the hotel have to register you on the TM30 form?  So there would be a trail/record somewhere anyway, even if they gave you back the photocopy, and destroyed the digital scan.

cops <> immigration <> tax department.

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cigar7
41 minutes ago, bukone said:

Easy in hindsight 555 

I don’t think they have to hand that over do they.

Several hotels, guesthouses that I have stayed at, have returned the copy, never have they not returned it asked politely. Some ask why, and I just say I don't someone to use it for other purposes. Someone could use it to exchange fake money, or rent a motorcycle, etc..  You can ask and they can say no, but never have they refused.

 

 

 

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Kahoy
1 minute ago, cigar7 said:

Several hotels, guesthouses that I have stayed at, have returned the copy, never have they not returned it asked politely. Some ask why, and I just say I don't someone to use it for other purposes. Someone could use it to exchange fake money, or rent a motorcycle, etc..  You can ask and they can say no, but never have they refused.

Don't you think the hotel would have recorded the details anyway?

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cigar7
44 minutes ago, Kahoy said:

Do you think those records are returned or destroyed in your country? AFAIK, in oz all financial records are required by law to be kept for 7 years, that would include the identity of the person who paid for the room. What would happen if the cops came looking for the records trying to track down a wanted fugitive months later?

I don't know the records retention requirements in Thailand, however I do know most small and medium local hotels and guesthouses prefer to show minimal revenue and maximum expenses, and little or no profit. They want to minimize taxes.  All hotels and guesthouses where I stayed have hand written bills, receipts, many without serial numbers so it's easy to make guest stays and revenues disappear. Some didn't even put their address on the documents.

hotels don't exist to enforce laws or help cops - they are there to make money by providing a service. Just like motorcycle rental places, they don't ask to see your driver's license, just your passport and money.

Records retention requirements in Aussy have nothing to do with records in Thailand - I'll bet they are radically different.

 

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Explorer8939

On the Internet, there are frequent discussions about what is possible, ignoring the Real World.

For a bargirl, or her husband, to find a customer from 4 years before would be like winning the lottery twice.

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Kahoy
1 minute ago, cigar7 said:

I don't know the records retention requirements in Thailand, however I do know most small and medium local hotels and guesthouses prefer to show minimal revenue and maximum expenses, and little or no profit. They want to minimize taxes.  All hotels and guesthouses where I stayed have hand written bills, receipts, many without serial numbers so it's easy to make guest stays and revenues disappear. Some didn't even put their address on the documents.

Hotels don't exist to enforce laws or help cops - they are there to make money by providing a service. Just like motorcycle rental places, they don't ask to see your driver's license, just your passport and money.

Records retention requirements in Aussy have nothing to do with records in Thailand - I'll bet they are radically different.

They are likely to hide cash payments but not card payments. While they not there to help cops, they are required to adhere to the law. There's nothing to suggest the guy was staying in some back street guest house.

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Kahoy
2 minutes ago, Explorer8939 said:

On the Internet, there are frequent discussions about what is possible, ignoring the Real World.

For a bargirl, or her husband, to find a customer from 4 years before would be like winning the lottery twice.

which is why we don't hear of this happening very often.

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Danolo

Nag, nag, nag...

Get a vasectomy!

 

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Explorer8939
Posted (edited)

Occams Razor indicates that the guy probably had a long enough relationship with the lady that she was able to obtain his personal information. Maybe Facebook, maybe he wired her money, something that she could access after she realized she was pregnant.

the other thing you guys are forgetting: if she went BB with this guy on the basis of a single LLT, she probably did likewise with other customers.

if the guy was married 4 years ago, and is now busted for fooling around while married, his official story may now be that he only did it once.

Edited by Explorer8939

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cigar7
2 minutes ago, Kahoy said:

They are likely to hide cash payments but not card payments. While they not there to help cops, they are required to adhere to the law. There's nothing to suggest the guy was staying in some back street guest house.

It doesn't have to be a back street guest house. I've stayed in 12 story 100 room hotels with swimming pools and they have hand written bills.

Complying with law is a nice requirement but a very low priority for many Thai when it comes to making money. It's up to the cops to enforce law, and even that rarely occurs, until there is registered official complaint made at the police station. The complaints are prioritized and many don't get any action, unless there are benefits.

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Kahoy
Just now, cigar7 said:

It doesn't have to be a back street guest house. I've stayed in 12 story 100 room hotels with swimming pools and they have hand written bills.

Complying with law is a nice requirement but a very low priority for many Thai when it comes to making money. It's up to the cops to enforce law, and even that rarely occurs, until there is registered official complaint made at the police station. The complaints are prioritized and many don't get any action, unless there are benefits.

I think dodging taxes only occurs in family and falang run guest houses, not the larger hotels. I have also heard that Immigration run a daily courier to the major hotels to collect TM30 reports. I'm not sure if that''s true or not.

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wadman
4 minutes ago, Kahoy said:

I think dodging taxes only occurs in family and falang run guest houses, not the larger hotels. I have also heard that Immigration run a daily courier to the major hotels to collect TM30 reports. I'm not sure if that''s true or not.

I thought hotels filed their TM30s online?

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soi6falang
1 hour ago, cigar7 said:

When departing the hotel, ask for the photo copy to be returned to you. There is no need for them to retain it.

Yes but don’t they have your name in their computer records?

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Kahoy
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This reminded me of an incident which happened to me around 1985. I had just paid 5,000 baht for a month's rent in a small guest house in Bangkok between soi 19 and soi 21 (asoke). The next day I went down to Pattaya for a recon and met a cute girl so I decided I wanted to stay there.

I returned to BKK and asked the guest house for my money back. They refused. I kept he key and returned to Pattaya. About 3 days later I returned to the guest house again and wen to my room. There was some Thai dude sleeping there. I confronted the front desk and again asked for a refund. They refused.

Pissed off, I went to the tourist police in Lumpini Park and complained to them. They brought me back to the guest house in their police car and sat in the lobby and ordered coffee. Next they demanded the books for the previous month, including the guest record for my room. 5 mins later they refunded my money and I gave the cops 500 baht which pleased them greatly. I tossed my key into the klong along soi 19 and returned to Pattaya.

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wadman
12 minutes ago, Explorer8939 said:

Occams Razor indicates that the guy probably had a long enough relationship with the lady that she was able to obtain his personal information. Maybe Facebook, maybe he wired her money, something that she could access after she realized she was pregnant.

the other thing you guys are forgetting: if she went BB with this guy on the basis of a single LLT, she probably did likewise with other customers.

if the guy was married 4 years ago, and is now busted for fooling around while married, his official story may now be that he only did it once.

Yeah, that's the most likely scenario: that she somehow gathered his personal info during their time together, rather than 4 years later.

Not every monger barebacks.  Other barebacking customers during that time may be of different ethnicities. So it may well be that she was able to deduce who the likely papa is.  And even if she wasn't 100% sure... heck, accuse them all!  I have heard plenty of stories like that in the Philippines.  Girl gets pregnant, there are maybe 5 candidates, accuse all 5.

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soi6falang
Posted (edited)
20 minutes ago, Explorer8939 said:

Occams Razor indicates that the guy probably had a long enough relationship with the lady that she was able to obtain his personal information. Maybe Facebook, maybe he wired her money, something that she could access after she realized she was pregnant.

the other thing you guys are forgetting: if she went BB with this guy on the basis of a single LLT, she probably did likewise with other customers.

if the guy was married 4 years ago, and is now busted for fooling around while married, his official story may now be that he only did it once.

Mr Explorer, my friend fucked her for 3 days and went out of his way to remain anonymous as he always did, in fact he was OCD about hiding his identity because he was married at the time. So his contact details came from somewhere other than himself. 

Edited by soi6falang

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cigar7
2 minutes ago, soi6falang said:

Yes but don’t they have your name in their computer records?

Many hotels and guesthouse don't use computers to record guests or revenue. 

 

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boingo

Probably not that hard really.

Australian (eliminates other nationalities)

Approximate age bracket (eliminates other age groups)

Thailand visit 4 years ago 

Stayed at XYZ hotel

Possible photo with TG

fair trail of breadcrumbs to follow and once you have a name can be confirmed via his passport. 

Apply for Paternity test via Child Support.

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Explorer8939
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9 minutes ago, boingo said:

Probably not that hard really.

Australian (eliminates other nationalities)

Approximate age bracket (eliminates other age groups)

Thailand visit 4 years ago 

Stayed at XYZ hotel

Possible photo with TG

fair trail of breadcrumbs to follow and once you have a name can be confirmed via his passport. 

Apply for Paternity test via Child Support.

As an Internet discussion, easy peasy. In the Real World, not so much, as evidenced by the fact that it almost never happens.

Thai ladies often  can’t find the Thai father of their kids, in the Real World. Even if they have a new Farang husband, how many times does the Farang help them track down their former husband to get child support?

 

Edited by Explorer8939

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TremontTed
Posted (edited)

Talk about a million to one shot, no pun intended.

I will play along.

GoGo Dancer "Lek" finds out she is pregnant in July from her doctor. The doctor says the baby was conceived sometime in June. "Lek" remembers June being very slow but remembers "Timmy" from Australia. He took her LLT for 4 straight days and BB-ed her 3 times a day. "Timmy" stayed at the Areca Lodge. She thinks real hard and remembers he stayed in room 407, her favorite numbers in the Thai lottery. She go back to the GoGo were she works and the Mamasan confirms the 4 straight nights she was barfined in June. Armed with the dates and room number she goes to the hotel. The manager looks in the computer and gives the the first and last name of the customer. Thais stick together.

Now "Lek" has the child and goes back to work. She keeps the fathers name secret for 4 years. As luck will have it, "Lek meets another very nice man from Australia. He brings "Lek" and the child over on a wife visa. All the puzzle pieces come together now.

It's a bit of a stretch but possible..5555

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Kahoy
3 minutes ago, TremontTed said:

He took her LLT for 4 straight days and BB-ed her 3 times a day.

Certainly plausible and she would remember a 4 day barfine, they don't happen every month.

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boingo
2 minutes ago, Explorer8939 said:

As an Internet discussion, easy peasy. In the Real World, not so much, as evidenced by the fact that it almost never happens.

Thai ladies often  can’t find the Thai father of their kids, in the Real World. Even if they have a new Farang husband, how many times does the Farang help them track down their former husband to get child support?

 

Possibly the exception that proves the rule. The facts as we know them from the OP is that he was tracked down and is paying this implies to me a higher level of determination than usually shown by TGs and most probably driven by her new partner. In Oz court orders are issue if the plaintiff can show reasonable cause as to why the information is required, even then it may have only been issued to Child Support who may have had multiple candidates for tests.

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