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Pattaya’s Chronic Flooding

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fforest

Why fix it right when doing a crappy job will pay off for decades to come and put your children through college...

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Zeb
21 hours ago, Harry Brown said:

Town planning here in OZ can reclaim property and pay compensation  if it is deemed in the cities interest.  I would think most countries would have something similar. but agree with other it would be bloody expensive, as long as they don't reclaim Walking Street, Soi 6 or LK Metro. 555.

I'm sure in Jerry's thread he mentioned about property/land being reclaimed and compensation paid.

 

Yep its called Eminent Domain - the right of a government or its agent to expropriate private property for public use, with payment of compensation. In the UK it is used chiefly of international law, whereas in the US it is used of federal and state governments.

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Taa_Saparot

https://mgronline.com/local/detail/9620000052362

Pattaya mayor talks of 665 million baht makeover to solve flooding crisis

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Pattaya's mayor Sonthaya Khunpluem has spoken to Manager about the flooding crisis in Pattaya. 

He has said that 665 million baht from the Eastern Economic Corridor (EEC) budget will be used to solve the problems facing Pattaya. 

Sonthaya said that the current flood prevention measures were clearly inadequate and were built just with the resort in mind. Runoff from other areas has meant that the city's systems can't cope. 

He also cited land encroachment problems on six vital canals. 

Money will be spent on digging a huge new reservoir and three high powered pumping stations among other measures that are vital to protect the city well known for its tourism. 

Areas where particular attention will be centered are Soi Khao Talo and the Railway Road. 

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Explorer8939
On 02/06/2019 at 03:18, Zeb said:

Yep its called Eminent Domain - the right of a government or its agent to expropriate private property for public use, with payment of compensation. In the UK it is used chiefly of international law, whereas in the US it is used of federal and state governments.

Not to mention city governments in the USA. I am involved in eminent domain litigation in California, on the crappy end of it, I am being sued because a penniless city wants to take some of my land. Since the people running the city are idiots, they may win the litigation, but not be able to pay, which puts my land in limbo indefinitely, which sucks.

Pattaya seems to have access to cash, so they may be able to take required land, although whether they actually build on it is another question.

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misteregg

Pattaya is built on what used to be tropical rain Forrest. So what you expect? It rains, it floods, it clears again.

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Harry Brown
22 minutes ago, misteregg said:

Pattaya is built on what used to be tropical rain Forrest. So what you expect? It rains, it floods, it clears again.

Why fix something that isn't broke. 55555

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Explorer8939
8 hours ago, Harry Brown said:

Why fix something that isn't broke. 55555

Because one of these floods is going to cause a lot of damage.

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Captain Dave
On 26/04/2019 at 07:47, forcebwithu said:

I live in the Soi Arunothai area and agree the flooding is as bad as it ever was. But I'm not familiar with Soi Charoensuk and Soi Udomsuk. Anyone know where these soi's are located?

Yes it is really bad, my step son goes to school there and we often struggle to get around in a downpour. 

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Captain Dave
Posted (edited)
11 hours ago, misteregg said:

Pattaya is built on what used to be tropical rain Forrest. So what you expect? It rains, it floods, it clears again.

Well yes, the place gets enormous amounts of rain in a very short period of time.

You can fix such flooding, as Singapore does with their customary efficiency, but the cost is eye-watering. 

 

I'm also not sure I'd like Pattaya and Thailand to be run with the ruthless efficiency, not to say control-freakery of Singapore,

it would lose much of it's charm.

Edited by Captain Dave

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forcebwithu
On 26/04/2019 at 13:47, forcebwithu said:

I live in the Soi Arunothai area and agree the flooding is as bad as it ever was. But I'm not familiar with Soi Charoensuk and Soi Udomsuk. Anyone know where these soi's are located?

Using the photo from the article about the locals building their own "seawall" found the area using Street View. Technically not off of Soi Arunothai, but off of Sukhumvit Soi 46 and directly west of the low point on Suk that regularly sees cars submerged during the flooding.
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Doubt their little bump in the road is going to effective against the amount of flooding that area gets.
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udontony
1 hour ago, Captain Dave said:

Well yes, the place gets enormous amounts of rain in a very short period of time.

You can fix such flooding, as Singapore does with their customary efficiency, but the cost is eye-watering. 

 

I'm also not sure I'd like Pattaya and Thailand to be run with the ruthless efficiency, not to say control-freakery of Singapore,

it would lose much of it's charm.

What I find amazing is that they have spent eye-watering amounts of money and have not fixed anything yet.   As for the control freakery I would also hate that in Thailand.

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https://www.pattayamail.com/news/pattaya-sets-218-million-baht-for-flood-control-256255

Pattaya sets 218 million baht for flood control
By PCPR June 5, 2019

The Pattaya City Council approved 218 million baht for 10 projects to fix flooding problems in the city.

The projects target 20 areas where flooding has persisted over the years despite the installation of pumps and clearance of sewer lines.

Plans call for upgrades of underground pipes and purchase of additional pumps and equipment.
The areas of focus are outside Pattaya Technical Collage, Naklua Old Market, Naklua Road at the Plukplub Canal, Soi Nongyai, Pacific Village, Soi Tangmo, Soi Buakhao, an alley outside the Diana Inn, Sukhumvit Road, Soi Wat Thamsamakee, Railway Road, Third Road at the Mum Aroy restaurant, Beach Road, Soi Jularat, Thepprasit Soi 7, Rom Po Market, behind the Pattaya Floating Market and Pratamnak Road. (PCPR)

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fforest

They roll out this new improved FIX every 2-3 years.....100s of millions of baht get spent each time and the flooding is never better.......

Its going to cost Billions not Millions to really fix it right.....

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nzwolfgang
19 hours ago, misteregg said:

Pattaya is built on what used to be tropical rain Forrest. So what you expect? It rains, it floods, it clears again.

Yeah but logical people put infrastructure in when they know it’s an area that has large rainfall. Mai pen rai shouldn’t really count when it’s people’s houses and businesses that are going under two foot of water. 

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misteregg
Yeah but logical people put infrastructure in when they know it’s an area that has large rainfall. Mai pen rai shouldn’t really count when it’s people’s houses and businesses that are going under two foot of water. 

First question you ask when you are interested in a property in this town is about flooding.

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Captain Dave
On 05/06/2019 at 19:56, fforest said:

They roll out this new improved FIX every 2-3 years.....100s of millions of baht get spent each time and the flooding is never better.......

Its going to cost Billions not Millions to really fix it right.....

You are right, also they are running to stand still.

Pattaya is still expanding rapidly - if you look around town, even west of Sukhumvit, there is a surprising amount of open ground still not developed. This for the present helps to absorb rainfall but as the building carries on and these areas get covered in concrete the run-off cannot sink into the ground.

My main critisism of Pattaya is the lack of parks and other public open spaces, buying some of this undeveloped land for this purpose would probably be a good investment in flood prevention.

It's not all about pipes and monsoon ditches.

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udontony
3 hours ago, Captain Dave said:

You are right, also they are running to stand still.

Pattaya is still expanding rapidly - if you look around town, even west of Sukhumvit, there is a surprising amount of open ground still not developed. This for the present helps to absorb rainfall but as the building carries on and these areas get covered in concrete the run-off cannot sink into the ground.

My main critisism of Pattaya is the lack of parks and other public open spaces, buying some of this undeveloped land for this purpose would probably be a good investment in flood prevention.

It's not all about pipes and monsoon ditches.

To solve all the flooding in Pattaya is just a pipe dream, they nead to ditch all the previous ideas and start again.   I know this can not be done now it would just cause so many problems.   There are so many little things that can be done quite cheaply to help but not solve the problems.  So many drains are blocked with rubbish, many have been concreted over to allow better access to premises and this could be sorted  out.   I know it will not happen and I know the flooding will continue for the foreseeable future but I am waiting to see the five meters diameter tunnels going in and what impact that has.

Pattaya seems to be unable to stop the spread of concrete even when they know the consuquences so the problem will only get worse!

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iMonk

Back where I stay, we have proper Rains for around 5, sometimes 6 months a year. My city is also built on what was a small plain land, amidst hills on three sides.

Today, after every downpour, there are flash floods. The problems aggravated when the city was full of concrete, and the poor ones took refuge on the hills. Now, the hills are full of houses, and every year we see so many landslides, houses on hill slopes fall like pack of cards , loose soil from hills clogging drains, and so on.

 

I hope Pattaya finds the solution soon, or else, might end up facing a disaster sooner or later.

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https://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general/1696048/pattayas-annual-struggle-to-stay-above-water

Pattaya's annual struggle to stay above water
City chiefs seeking B665m budget for flood defences
Published: 16/06/2019

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Pattaya City municipality plans to ask the new cabinet to approve a 665 million baht flood prevention project which has been shelved for years due to repeated changes in government water management policy.

"Pattaya was intended to be at the centre of the government's flagship Eastern Economic Corridor (EEC) scheme, but the city suffers from chronic flash floods, which require urgent action to address," said Pattaya mayor, Sonthaya Khunpluem.

"If successful, Pattaya City will be secured from run-off coming from the east coast which bursts into the downtown area during the rainy season, affecting tourism and the city's businesses," he said.

The city wants to build a large reservoir to store 11 billion cubic metres on Soi Khao Noi, and eight water pumping stations that can drain water at 1.5 million cubic metres per second. The money will be also spent on a 1.5-kilometre long high-density polyethylene pipe along a road beside the railway track.

Along with the dredging and renewal of the city's canals, this system has been designed to divert water away from the municipality and out into the sea.

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ad-hoc measures: City officials are forced to use water pumps to channel water out into the ocean due to the lack of infrastructure.

A water tunnel running from the east coast through Pattaya Klang Road to the ocean was also mooted at one point, although the budget may not stretch to both sets of proposals, according to Mr Sonthaya.

Downtown Pattaya is a low-lying area, making it particularly vulnerable to flooding.

During the rainy season, when the tide is high and the deluges are frequent, water swells up over the sois because the city lacks a modern drainage system to flush inland water back into the sea.

The city's natural waterways, such as its canals, offer little assistance because most of them are clogged with sediment, if not obstructed entirely by the many buildings that have sprung up in recent years.

These canals which are clogged include Khlong Na Kleau, Khlong Nong Yai, Khlong Nok Yang, Khlong Suea Phaeo, Khlong Pattaya Tai and Khlong Krathong Rai.

The drainage system in Pattaya was built a long time ago and is incapable of handling the volume of water spilling into the city, he said.

There are already six water pumping stations and a 21 rai water catchment area, but they are soon overwhelmed during this part of the year, added Mr Sonthaya.

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canal chaos: One of the chief causes of the flooding is a network of canals that are clogged with sediment or blocked by new construction.

After convincing the Interior Ministry about the importance of the shelved EEC flood prevention project, the government has assigned the Department of Public Works and Town & Country Planning to resume the project, Mr Sonthaya said.

The department has also invited the Pattaya City administration to take part in drafting a new plan for the implementation of the project, which is expected to be complete by the end of the year, he said.

While waiting, the city plans to accelerate the dredging of its canals and the cleaning up of drains, which will happen with the help of the Corrections Department which will assign inmates to carry out the tasks.

A number of new mobile water pumps and more sandbags also are being purchased, while specialist flood relief teams are being formed to deal with emergencies, according to the mayor.

The city has begun working to improve its canals' drainage capacity by widening many and dealing with encroachment.

Khlong Puek Phlap, for instance, was expanded from three to four metres in width after the city evicted illegal dwellers from along its banks.

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development issue: Chronic floods have jeopardised the city's status in the government's flagship Eastern Economic Corridor scheme.

About 20 spots in Pattaya have been declared as flood-prone areas as part of efforts to ensure optimal resource deployment, he said. Among them are Soi Nong Ket Yai, Talat Kao Na Kluea, Khlong Puek Phlap, Soi Nong Yai, Sukhumvit Road (in Pattaya Tai), Soi Bua Khao, Liap Thang Rot Fai Road, Talat Nam Si Phak, Pattaya Sai 3 Road, Sai Liap Chai Hat Road, Soi Taengmo, Soi Diana Inn and Wat Thamma Samakkhi.

For these flood vulnerable areas, Mr Sonthaya said that council has recently approved a budget of 218 million to fund 10 prevention projects, which will require up to a year to complete, he said.

The council will, therefore, speed up some projects that can be implemented immediately such as the purchase of new water pumps.

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https://www.pattayamail.com/featured/dongtan-drainage-system-to-be-model-for-future-projects-258560

Dongtan drainage system to be model for future projects
By Jetsada Homklin - July 3, 2019

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Storm water flows directly into the sea through the grates to the left while wastewater is sent to the sewage treatment plant under the grates to the right.

Pattaya is looking to use Dongtan Beach’s recently completed water-drainage system as a model for future projects.

Major construction in the rehabilitation of Dongtan was completed at the end of last month, with separate pipes laid underground for sewage and storm runoff. Storm water flows directly into the sea while wastewater is sent to the sewage treatment plant.

Covering 1.3 kilometers between the Rabbit Resort and Yimyom Beach, the beach facelift also included a new footpath that lets tourists stroll and appreciate the scenery.

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Explorer8939

There is a large empty lot behind Soi Chaiyapoon, that is an obvious place to build a reservoir for drainage.

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paulvds
6 minutes ago, Explorer8939 said:

There is a large empty lot behind Soi Chaiyapoon, that is an obvious place to build a reservoir for drainage.

City council most likely can not afford that piece of land. Must be (getting) worth a fortune in that area.

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One hung low

Another total Thai fuckup, never mind installing proper infrastructure as the city or any cplace in Thailand for that matter developed.

no no, build build and let's make money off the tourists, look at the mess now, it's a fucking disgrace. Free flow it into the ocean!

the dictator of the Philippines straightened out boracay! Closed the island for a year, installed nfrastructure, businesses that didn't do it properly can't take guests. 

Im seeing more and more dirty water around Thailand every year. Never mind the garbage.

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gusincebu



Free flow it into the ocean!
the dictator of the Philippines straightened out boracay! Closed the island for a year, installed nfrastructure, businesses that didn't do it properly can't take guests. 



Six months !
And it's NOT fixed ..


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mmaaarrrkkk
On ‎03‎/‎07‎/‎2019 at 19:57, Explorer8939 said:

There is a large empty lot behind Soi Chaiyapoon, that is an obvious place to build a reservoir for drainage.

Xycte?

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