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Wtf? Kev-In-Thailand diagnosed with cancer?

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petemoss
Posted (edited)
5 minutes ago, Whalley said:

Not really.  It's you who make the false claims.

That some have scammed the NHA's residency requirements doesn't make Kevin a lier or  wrong for not risking delay for his time sensitive, life or death cancer treatments. 

No need to scam. I've been there, done it, got the T-shirt. (see my previous posts).

My cancer treatment wasn't delayed, quicker if anything. Either he'd been badly misinformed or he had another reason for not returning to the UK for treatment. His claims that he would have had to wait several months for treatment and that he would have had to pay for it are complete B.S.

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Whalley
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Kevin has been a resident of Thailand for years and doesn't qualify for NHS period.

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petemoss
1 minute ago, Whalley said:

Kevin has been a resident of Thailand for years and doesn't qualify for NHS period.

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I have lived in Thailand longer than him and do qualify for free NHS treatment. The key is in the phrase "Ordinary resident" As a British citizen, you are an "Ordinary Resident" as soon as you establish an address in the UK, which can be the day you step off the plane. You just need to say that you are returning to take up residence here, which for both me and Kev is technically true, as we didn't know how long our treatment would take or if we'd ever be well enough to return to Thailand again.

Also, appointments with GPs and emergency treatments remain free in all circumstances. As Kev and I would have to be referred to the hospital by a GP (who are refusing to comply with this legislation) the hospital would have no clue as to your entitlement to free treatment and you wouldn't be asked any questions.

You clearly don't know much about the NHS and the way it operates, so I presume that you'rew not a British citizen and have never had the benefit of free treatment on the NHS.

I however, have a daughter and son-in-law who both work in a large hospital in the UK and I have had the benefit of free treatment on the NHS many times. They inform me that they are only instructed to ask questions when they have a strong suspicion that the patient is not British, primarily, if their command of the English language isn't good. They wouldn't dream of asking someone who is clearly British and have been referred by their GP as to their immigration status.

I have given you the facts, gained from first hand experience, not by mis-interpreting facts on the internet. If you aren't British, it doesn't really matter to you, but to a British expat it could be a matter of life and death.

 

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Pheat
1 hour ago, Whalley said:

Not really.  It's you who make the false claims.

That some have scammed the NHA's residency requirements doesn't make Kevin a lier or  wrong for not risking delay for his time sensitive, life or death cancer treatments. 

How can you possibly know how the NHS really works ?

You are from Canada not a British citizen with a British passport. 

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petemoss
47 minutes ago, Whalley said:

Kevin has been a resident of Thailand for years and doesn't qualify for NHS period.

Despite your mis-interpretation of what you have printed from the internet, these changes only came into effect from April 6th. Kev was aware of his illness and need for treatment before that date, therefore the new regulations wouldn't have affected him anyway.

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Taa_Saparot
33 minutes ago, Pheat said:

How can you possibly know how the NHS really works ?

You are from Canada not a British citizen with a British passport. 

But, he does seem to be an expert in searching google to back up the things he has no idea about.

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mgthom75
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4 hours ago, Whalley said:

Clearly it is your intentions to kick the poor guy for no good reason.  Read your own posts!  

Why do you make such an effort to spread unsubstantiated bullshit toward someone you don't even know?

Give it a rest!

I'm well aware of what I've posted!

If you go back to post #39 and subsequent comments, you'll see that I was initially very supportive of Kev (long before you became involved in this thread).

Unsubstantiated bullshit?  The fact that he has significant disposable assets is well documented...though you apparently persist in labeling these as insignificant and of negligible value...can you substantiate this? 

It seems to me that you view holiday homes and a truck as 'essentials' that Kev has no moral duty to sell before asking for charity?

I disagree with this pov.

That said, I hope Kev has had successful surgery.

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Whalley
8 hours ago, Pheat said:

How can you possibly know how the NHS really works ?

You are from Canada not a British citizen with a British passport. 

 

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petemoss
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19 minutes ago, Whalley said:

 

Again, completely irrelevant to British passport holding British passports who are returning to the UK to live. Doesn't apply to KIT. Kev also has an EHIC.

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Removed video, no need to include given it was previous post

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Whalley
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8 hours ago, petemoss said:

Despite your mis-interpretation of what you have printed from the internet, these changes only came into effect from April 6th. Kev was aware of his illness and need for treatment before that date, therefore the new regulations wouldn't have affected him anyway.

Had you been honest with the NHS, your cancer treatments would have been billable.

You nor Kevin meet the definition of "Ordinary Resident "

I would have pulled off the same scam if I was ever in the same position you or Kevin were.

For anybody who wants a clear and concise explanation of the rules, watch the following short video.

Edited by Ru4Real
Removed video, no need to post it again.

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Whalley
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12 minutes ago, petemoss said:

Again, completely irrelevant to British passport holding British passports who are returning to the UK to live. Doesn't apply to KIT. Kev also has an EHIC.

It couldn't be clearer watching the NHA video, that you scammed the British tax payers by having them foot you medical bills as not meeting the definition of an "Ordinary Resident".

Something most would keep quiet about, rather than brag about it.  

Na?

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petemoss
3 minutes ago, Whalley said:

Had you been honest with the NHS, your cancer treatments would have been billable.

You nor Kevin meet the definition of "Ordinary Resident "

I would have pulled off the same scam if I was ever in the same position you or Kevin were.

For anybody who wants a clear and concise explanation of the rules, watch the following short video:

 

What is it with you? I've fully explained both mine and Kev's entitlements as British passport holders returning to the UK to live. Nothing in the video or any other documentation you have randomly pulled from the internet contradicts me. I'm sorry if the facts don't fit your agenda.

Give it a rest.

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petemoss
Just now, Whalley said:

not meeting the definition of an "Ordinary Resident".

I did meet the definition of "ordinary resident". British citizen returning to the UK to live with a UK address.

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Taa_Saparot
2 minutes ago, petemoss said:

What is it with you?

Troll .... just ignore him.

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Ru4Real

@Whalley Are you trying to get this thread locked? I just deleted the video twice and you post it a third time.

Gents, unless it's specific to Kev's actually health give it a rest or the thread ends now. The points about ebegging/selling assets/going back to UK have all been made from both sides of the fence.

 

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dingbat22
8 hours ago, petemoss said:

I have lived in Thailand longer than him and do qualify for free NHS treatment. The key is in the phrase "Ordinary resident" As a British citizen, you are an "Ordinary Resident" as soon as you establish an address in the UK, which can be the day you step off the plane. You just need to say that you are returning to take up residence here, which for both me and Kev is technically true, as we didn't know how long our treatment would take or if we'd ever be well enough to return to Thailand again.

Also, appointments with GPs and emergency treatments remain free in all circumstances. As Kev and I would have to be referred to the hospital by a GP (who are refusing to comply with this legislation) the hospital would have no clue as to your entitlement to free treatment and you wouldn't be asked any questions.

You clearly don't know much about the NHS and the way it operates, so I presume that you'rew not a British citizen and have never had the benefit of free treatment on the NHS.

I however, have a daughter and son-in-law who both work in a large hospital in the UK and I have had the benefit of free treatment on the NHS many times. They inform me that they are only instructed to ask questions when they have a strong suspicion that the patient is not British, primarily, if their command of the English language isn't good. They wouldn't dream of asking someone who is clearly British and have been referred by their GP as to their immigration status.

I have given you the facts, gained from first hand experience, not by mis-interpreting facts on the internet. If you aren't British, it doesn't really matter to you, but to a British expat it could be a matter of life and death.

 

What is quoted above is exactly right a UK resident become "ordinary resident" in the UK at any time they wish once inside UK borders....No restriction no wait times. The only thing any one would have a problem with is if they intend to claim cash welfare benefits, Then one has to prove "Habitual residency" which is different to ordinary residence if one tries to claim "non-contributory cash benefits" even "Habitual residency" is complicated The biggest hurdle is getting registered with a GP,( who will not question your residency status) then Getting an appointment to see the GP for a referral to a specialist.. Once you got the referral to a specialist, you are inside the NHS system  

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dingbat22
12 minutes ago, Whalley said:

Had you been honest with the NHS, your cancer treatments would have been billable.

You nor Kevin meet the definition of "Ordinary Resident "

I would have pulled off the same scam if I was ever in the same position you or Kevin were.

For anybody who wants a clear and concise explanation of the rules, watch the following short video.

You Whalley, You are confusing "Ordinary resident" with Habitually Resident.....One can "subject to immigration status" become ordinary resident in the UK the moment one steps onto UK territory

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petemoss
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5 minutes ago, dingbat22 said:

The biggest hurdle is getting registered with a GP,( who will not question your residency status) then Getting an appointment to see the GP for a referral to a specialist.. Once you got the referral to a specialist, you are inside the NHS system  

Not a problem registering with a GP. 24 hors for me. As a cancer sufferer, you will be treated on an urgent basis. For me, GP appointment the next day. Same with consultants appointments.

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Whalley
3 minutes ago, petemoss said:

What is it with you? I've fully explained both mine and Kev's entitlements as British passport holders returning to the UK to live. Nothing in the video or any other documentation you have randomly pulled from the internet contradicts me. I'm sorry if the facts don't fit your agenda.

Give it a rest.

 

I'm not condemning you for what you did.  

I not proud to say that I would have done the same thing as you (but I'd keep it quiet though).

Perhaps Kevin was not aware he could have pulled off the same deception as you and save his hard earned for the ladies in Thailand.

 But that ship has sailed.

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farangliam

from uk gov website

When a person becomes ordinarily resident This page tells you about when a person becomes ordinarily resident in the UK. A person may become ordinarily resident on arrival, and probably will if entering the territory for settlement or one of the purposes leading to settlement. It is possible for a person initially entering for a temporary purpose not constituting ordinary residence, to become ordinarily resident through a change in the quality and purpose of the residence. Where it is not possible to establish the date on which a person became ordinarily resident, it may be reasonable to treat them as having been ordinarily resident from the date of their arrival.

as a british passport holder he has the right to be in the UK, once he has a UK address he'd be considered an ordinary resident. It has been said before, he couldn't just ruck up and expect to be admitted, he would have to establish residency first. i.e. have an address. which can be organised before he arrived and signed on arrival. would take less than 24 hours.

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