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Wtf? Kev-In-Thailand diagnosed with cancer?

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bukone
On 14/07/2019 at 01:59, golden_boy said:

Bit of a strange conundrum for me this one. I was gravely ill recently in Vietnam and just wanted to get back to UK. If I was given a terminal prognosis ... had a few months to live, id say my goodbyes to family/friends. Got a mother sister brother as my closest family. No kids ... given the choice id choose to end my days in Thailand.

Yeah I can understand your thoughts especially with no kids, but seriously wouldn’t the last people that saw you alive be people who really love you, and you love them, not some bar girls you’ve just met who don’t really care about you.

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Whalley
8 hours ago, Pheat said:

Hardly financial ruin having to sell a pick up and an apartment in Spain

i would have thought for some one who had the finances to retire at 54/55 and move to Thailand.

 

I did the same.  Would have had much more had I waited until past age 65, but I'm also taking my chances.

Should I suffer the same fate as Kevin, it would be tragic to have to sell my last remaining assets just to survive an illness and be penniless in my final days.

I just hope the best for Kevin and if his supporters can lend a helping hand hand, all the best to them as well.

 

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Pheat
Posted (edited)
52 minutes ago, Whalley said:

Should I suffer the same fate as Kevin, it would be tragic to have to sell my last remaining assets just to survive an illness and be penniless in my final days.

Yep there is something called insurance which is just as it implies insurance.

Edited by Pheat

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NorCalKid
Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Whalley said:

 

I did the same.  Would have had much more had I waited until past age 65, but I'm also taking my chances.

Should I suffer the same fate as Kevin, it would be tragic to have to sell my last remaining assets just to survive an illness and be penniless in my final days.

I just hope the best for Kevin and if his supporters can lend a helping hand hand, all the best to them as well.

 

Have you looked into insurance so you could avoid that situation?  I know a guy that had medical bills over 6 million in Thailand.  It can really add up.

Edited by NorCalKid

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mgthom75
Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, Whalley said:

 

I did the same.  Would have had much more had I waited until past age 65, but I'm also taking my chances.

Should I suffer the same fate as Kevin, it would be tragic to have to sell my last remaining assets just to survive an illness and be penniless in my final days.

I just hope the best for Kevin and if his supporters can lend a helping hand hand, all the best to them as well.

 

I think that schemes like GoFundMe serve as a legitimate 'last resort' for those genuinely in need.

My point is that Kev appears to have non-essential assets that can easily be disposed of before he has to rely on this 'last resort'.  

To the best of my knowledge, his apartment in Spain is not rented out...so neither that nor his pickup are income-producing assets and therefore do not impact his monthly income (selling those will actually improve his monthly income, in addition to raising cash, as he won't have to pay rates, condo fees, taxes, insurance, gas, etc.)

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect someone to sell these disposable assets before relying on charity.  Suggesting he will become penniless by selling non-income producing assets is a disingenuous red-herring IMHO

I'm certainly not vilifying him for not taking out insurance...that was just a calculated risk that didn't pay off. But not electing insurance presumably made it easier for him to buy and run a pick-up...so now I think he should release the cash in this non-essential asset. 

I've always been very supportive of him on this thread before this latest development...and I continue to pray that he overcomes this awful disease.

If I was in his position, I'd seriously look at moving to Spain and living with his mother or his empty apartment...then take advantage of free healthcare in Spain (assuming he can quickly establish residency requirements for access to healthcare there...I don't know if the rules are more or less stringent than the UK)

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Pinoydave

I think this just shows how at a certain point in time...... your assets become liabilities...... his cash is tied up in things he can't sell quickly..... property in Spain has gone through the floor and it will feel an even greater kick in the teeth to take a huge financial loss when he's already down on his luck...

 

 

once your retired make make sure you have enough money easily available 

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MONOCHROMEMAN
2 hours ago, mgthom75 said:

I think that schemes like GoFundMe serve as a legitimate 'last resort' for those genuinely in need...

A quick story.

I knew a guy who lost his low paid job - no fault of his ownand ended up on welfare. He got by. Every time we were out drinking - in a group - he'd ask people to buy him a drink. All night. Cigarettes too. 

One day I ws told him and his new gf had bougth a house. Wow, she must have money I said. No, it turned out he had a large amount of undeclared capital the whole time. Next time we went out sure enough he's asking for drinks and ciggies again. So we say you had money why didn't you use that and he goes, "I couldn't use that , that was my money"

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mgthom75
Posted (edited)
38 minutes ago, Pinoydave said:

I think this just shows how at a certain point in time...... your assets become liabilities...... his cash is tied up in things he can't sell quickly..... property in Spain has gone through the floor and it will feel an even greater kick in the teeth to take a huge financial loss when he's already down on his luck...

I hear you. 

I've had to liquidate property and assets at significant financial losses to quickly raise cash and keep my head above water (when I became unemployed)

It's a bitter pill to swallow, but I think Kev has to be prepared to take a loss on his non-essential assets to quickly raise cash and pay for his treatment.  He managed to raise some cash, via Rob, but that appears to have been used up by 'complications', according to his latest video.

It would be great if his supporters help him out more...but I really think he needs to show more of a concerted effort to sell those non-essential assets he owns if he wants other folks to contribute.

if he's currently doing everything he can to sell an empty apartment in Spain and his truck, I'll eat humble pie and gladly contribute to his health expenses.

But talking about a 400,000 deficit for surgery and encouraging donations seems bad form to me when he has non-essential assets he could sell quickly if he was willing to offer them at current market value or less

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mgthom75
Posted (edited)
5 hours ago, Whalley said:

 

I did the same.  Would have had much more had I waited until past age 65, but I'm also taking my chances.

Should I suffer the same fate as Kevin, it would be tragic to have to sell my last remaining assets just to survive an illness and be penniless in my final days.

I just hope the best for Kevin and if his supporters can lend a helping hand hand, all the best to them as well.

 

Taking your chances?

Fair enough and not uncommon, but if you don't currently have health insurance, you're essentially asking your friends to cover your bet in the event you become ill and need treatment?

But if you do have assets, would you look to sell them before asking friends and family for help?

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Whalley
5 hours ago, Pheat said:

Yep there is something called insurance which is just as it implies insurance.

 

5 hours ago, NorCalKid said:

Have you looked into insurance so you could avoid that situation?  I know a guy that had medical bills over 6 million in Thailand.  It can really add up.

 

39 minutes ago, mgthom75 said:

Taking your chances?

Fair enough and not uncommon, but if you don't currently have health insurance, you're essentially asking your friends to cover your bet in the event you become ill and need treatment?

But if you do have assets, would you look to sell them before asking friends and family for help?

 

I would never give up my residency from Canada so not possible to be in his predicament. Kevin no longer has residency status back home would have to pay for expensive cancer treatments no matter where he goes.

It's my understanding that Kevin has said his ongoing medical costs will completely wipe him out financially.  If true, then Kevin is not wealthy by any stretch.

Pretty sad to think at his age, to burn through his remaining cash and sell his few assets (truck and apartment).  Tough spot to be in.

I for one hope his friends and family do step up and help and no I don't think it unreasonably that he is asking for help

 

 

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thinkingallowed
24 minutes ago, Whalley said:

 

I for one hope his friends and family do step up and help and no I don't think it unreasonably that he is asking for help

 

 

I think that they should upgrade his truck too.

Re having to pay for treatment in the UK this could have and can be got round. There are people who have posted about this already including an example that I have been witness too.

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golden_boy
16 hours ago, bukone said:

Yeah I can understand your thoughts especially with no kids, but seriously wouldn’t the last people that saw you alive be people who really love you, and you love them, not some bar girls you’ve just met who don’t really care about you.

I was not thinking of bar girls being at my side. Was more of a case of it being in the country id want to be in. Almost delusional to think Id consider a money orientated bargirl to be the last people im with. You dont know me, or know my reasons behind my comments, pidgeon holing me (with I guess justifiable reasons) as a 'typical monger' choosing Thailand to die in, for all the wrong reasons.

Been here enough times to have my reasons be something other than wanting a harem of bar girls be at my side.

Not everyones vision will be something that your mind creates. I know what I meant, but I can see why you would imagine my idea of my end being as you pictured it. Which could not be further from the truth. 

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golden_boy
9 hours ago, mgthom75 said:

I hear you. 

I've had to liquidate property and assets at significant financial losses to quickly raise cash and keep my head above water (when I became unemployed)

It's a bitter pill to swallow, but I think Kev has to be prepared to take a loss on his non-essential assets to quickly raise cash and pay for his treatment.  He managed to raise some cash, via Rob, but that appears to have been used up by 'complications', according to his latest video.

It would be great if his supporters help him out more...but I really think he needs to show more of a concerted effort to sell those non-essential assets he owns if he wants other folks to contribute.

if he's currently doing everything he can to sell an empty apartment in Spain and his truck, I'll eat humble pie and gladly contribute to his health expenses.

But talking about a 400,000 deficit for surgery and encouraging donations seems bad form to me when he has non-essential assets he could sell quickly if he was willing to offer them at current market value or less

I do agree with you. But lets say he decides to sell the spanish homes at a whopping 75% loss ... how many months would that all still take?

In the UK, You would still be talking months. 

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Whalley
7 hours ago, thinkingallowed said:

Re having to pay for treatment in the UK this could have and can be got round. There are people who have posted about this already including an example that I have been witness too.

 

It could have been a possibility prior to Kevin starting his treatments, but that ship has sailed.  He's too far into his cancer treatments in Thailand to fool anybody back in the UK that he is a resident.

@golden_boy explained the hoops Kevin would have had to jump through to be considered a resident.    Too late now.

 

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tonyftlaud
On 12/07/2019 at 15:47, golden_boy said:

Can I ask, has Kev told you this personally?

No but he stated it in his blog.

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Pheat
1 hour ago, golden_boy said:

In the UK, You would still be talking months. 

Plenty of (google)companies in the UK and Spain who specialise in buying property below the market value very quickly.

 

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Whalley
On July 15, 2019 at 10:39, mgthom75 said:

But, regardless, I think he'll get more sympathy/donations if he demonstrates that he's making more of a concerted effort to sell the assets he retains...which is as least one apartment in Spain and a Ford truck in Pattaya....both of which are 'indulgences' that are not necessary to live in Pattaya.

It could just be a Canadian thing, but we have a term for people like Kevin with such indulgence, 60 year-olds with an apartment and truck:  Pauper

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mgthom75
Posted (edited)
53 minutes ago, Whalley said:

It could just be a Canadian thing, but we have a term for people like Kevin with such indulgence, 60 year-olds with an apartment and truck:  Pauper

I think it's just a Canadian thing.  Having at least one investment property in Spain and owning a newish Ford truck/pick-up does not constitute a pauper in Thailand...or anywhere else IMO.

Vehicles are not cheap in Thailand.  This 2017 Ford pick-up has an asking price of 800,000 baht:  https://www.bahtsold.com/view/ford-ranger-wildtrak-2017-3-2-4x4-double-cab-automatic-367542

How many properties or vehicles do folks need in Canada to not be deemed as paupers by you? 555

But let me pose a hypothetical to you @Whalley.  If you were in his position and had an investment property and truck that could be sold, would you resist selling them as a first resort and instead ask for help from others?

 

Edited by mgthom75

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baggy67

I think Kev has cashflow problems as opposed to being skint. He does a walk around of his house in Antas on one of his Youtube videos which by the looks of it is still listed on Rightmove for €136,000. If it was me I would just say sod it, sell it for €100k cut my losses and put everything towards my recovery. Pray I'm never in that situation myself. My brother is praying more as we share a council house together!

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Whalley
8 hours ago, mgthom75 said:

But let me pose a hypothetical to you @Whalley.  If you were in his position and had an investment property and truck that could be sold, would you resist selling them as a first resort and instead ask for help from others?

 

 

At age 60 , retired with mounting medical bills that will put him in a negative cash position; a shitty little apartment worth little and a truck as assets, I'd say Kevin is pretty much fucked barring some sort of miracle.

He will be forced to liquidate his few remaining assets just to survive his illness.  I doubt that amount will get him through his remaining cancer treatments and rehabilitation.

I'd hate to ever be in such a predicament.  Life turns on a dime.  The world is a cruel place as displayed by most BM, when you find yourself in time of need.

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mgthom75
3 hours ago, Whalley said:

 

At age 60 , retired with mounting medical bills that will put him in a negative cash position; a shitty little apartment worth little and a truck as assets, I'd say Kevin is pretty much fucked barring some sort of miracle.

He will be forced to liquidate his few remaining assets just to survive his illness.  I doubt that amount will get him through his remaining cancer treatments and rehabilitation.

I'd hate to ever be in such a predicament.  Life turns on a dime.  The world is a cruel place as displayed by most BM, when you find yourself in time of need.

 

3 hours ago, baggy67 said:

I think Kev has cashflow problems as opposed to being skint. He does a walk around of his house in Antas on one of his Youtube videos which by the looks of it is still listed on Rightmove for €136,000. If it was me I would just say sod it, sell it for €100k cut my losses and put everything towards my recovery. Pray I'm never in that situation myself. My brother is praying more as we share a council house together!

@Whalley I think you're underestimating the value of his assets.  I'll ask again...if you were in his predicament, would you seek to sell these non-essential assets as a first resort or instead request donations from subscribers to his vlog? 

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golden_boy
13 hours ago, tonyftlaud said:

No but he stated it in his blog.

I believe your wrong. However, he does own 2 properties in Spain. No property in England.

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Sargon76

Good thing he's not in the US. All his assets would be gone, he's too young for Medicare and he would have to absolutely bankrupt himself before he could get on Medicaid. And he would most likely still need hundreds and thousands of dollars worth of treatment.
Say what you want the guy is having a rough time and I hope he recovers, because he seems like a good guy and because it could be any of us.

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Gogosenpai
On 09/03/2019 at 08:39, raviinc said:

Oh, it’s damn sad I have seen all his videos which were very informative about Pattaya. One million bhat for treatment sound ok compared to the west. I never saw him smoke or drink a lot in his videos, I know it’s very difficult to determine the cause of cancer but keeping away from known carcinogens reduces the risk. Unfortunately I am a mild smoker and whisky drinker and these kind of scenarios scare me. I wonder what could have been the cause the Esophageal cancer, I was told that recurrent acid reflux in the stomach is one of the causes. Wishing him a speedy recovery.

 

Dont know if anyone has mentioned this but I think a lot of guys dont realize that HPV(human papillomavirus) the same virus that causes genital warts can also be contracted orally. Hence, dudes that are going down on Thai girls are exposing themselves to a high risk of getting HPV of the mouth and throat. HPV is extremely common, even non-mongers have something like a 25% chance of getting it at some point if they are sexually active and condoms dont completely negate the risk since its spread with simple skin to skin contact. 

Anyhow, HPV usually goes away but the virus is incurable and can also lead to many cancers including cervical cancer in women and yes esophageal cancer for those who contract HPV orally. Girls are now given HPV vaccines to ensure they are protected from cervical cancer and though boys were not recommended back in my high school days it's now highly recommended that boys get it as well. It's also not too late to get it for some, I believe there is a newer shot that works for older adults as well but not sure the age for that one. Do yourself a favor and research this and if you dont have HPV and are fucking around in Pattaya or even not then see if you can go get the vaccine. Not saying this is what happened to him, but I know a lot of guys on here go down on thai girls and they may not even know how risky it is and that its preventable.

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gandt
23 minutes ago, Sargon76 said:

Good thing he's not in the US. All his assets would be gone, he's too young for Medicare and he would have to absolutely bankrupt himself before he could get on Medicaid. And he would most likely still need hundreds and thousands of dollars worth of treatment.
Say what you want the guy is having a rough time and I hope he recovers, because he seems like a good guy and because it could be any of us.

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Do any Americans retire that young? There are some like Bum Gun down in Rayong who have lived a lifetime in semi retirement living off $350 a month from Mommy. Well that and stealing from his kid's trust fund. POS! 

I hope the treatment Kev is getting works out for him. Cheers to the people who are helping him out. Karma to Bum Gun and his Bang Na creep friend who wish the worst for him. 

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