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Wtf? Kev-In-Thailand diagnosed with cancer?

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MONOCHROMEMAN
19 hours ago, golden_boy said:

Im not aware of a 3rd property ... he certainly has 2 in spain. A 3 bedroom with private swimming pool. And a smaller flat. Both in spain. 

I remember the swimming pool one now. I think that was the one he was painting for his mother so I guess that's the one she was living (still lives?) in.  The other small flat he showed us around in a video had no one liivng in it.

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golden_boy
5 hours ago, Welshpat said:

Just a thought no one has ever mentioned a prognosis - if its bad - where would you rather end your days - in a nice warm climate among friends or a cold wet UK where you would probably end up in a hospice with few visitors 

If I was given a terminal diagnosis ... I would say my goodbyes to family/friends in the UK ... and head to Thailand. Chances are id Die alone in Thailand anyway? But id want to Die in a country I love. If for whatever reason I died in the UK, I want my ashes scattered in Thailand. 

But if I could make the Journey over, id want my last weeks/months in Thailand. I am never more happy than when im in Thailand/Pattaya.

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golden_boy
3 hours ago, vimto66 said:

 If i was in a bad way a foreign country would be last place i`d want to be, most peoples friends and family are back home anyway, if you have something nasty like cancer you wouldnt really care what the weathers like,although having said that if a particular country has became your home and you`ve lived there for years, then you might want to see out your days there.

Bit of a strange conundrum for me this one. I was gravely ill recently in Vietnam and just wanted to get back to UK. If I was given a terminal prognosis ... had a few months to live, id say my goodbyes to family/friends. Got a mother sister brother as my closest family. No kids ... given the choice id choose to end my days in Thailand.

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Pheat
11 hours ago, MONOCHROMEMAN said:

i was one who argued for him staying when initially diagnosed on the grounds it could take months to get seen in the UK and I would want it treated asap.

It would not take months .After the first initial visit to his GP back in the UK after the GP examined Kev.

The GP would have a very good idea how serious the situation was and would be on the phone straight away to book an urgent appointment with a specialist to examine Kev .

I have personal experience from family members in the UK who have been treated for cancer and treatment started very quickly from diagnoses.

One within 72hours  from the initial GP appointment.

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LOTTELLEE WINNA

@Pheat Excellent post mate - you demonstrate both knowledge and compassion. These are traits which are somewhat lacking from some BMs contributing to this thread. 

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LOTTELLEE WINNA

@golden_boy I am with you on that one. I too want my final days to be spent in LoS.

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Fart sniffer
Posted (edited)
25 minutes ago, Pheat said:

 have personal experience from family members in the UK who have been treated for cancer and treatment started very quickly from diagnoses.

One within 72hours  from the initial GP appointment.

NHS? Something on the news the other week about most in England waiting over 2 or 3 months for urgent cancer referrals these days.  I'm sure it varies by type or something, only vaguely remember the headline.

Postcode lottery probably as well.

Not doubting your experience at all.  I just don't think its that simple for most. 

Dont know why this is getting facepalmed.. the target is 2 months from first appointment.  Urgent referral targets are being missed by most areas.  Look it up yourself.  I'm not going to spoon feed you. 

Edited by Fart sniffer

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TOPCHEF
15 minutes ago, LOTTELLEE WINNA said:

@golden_boy I am with you on that one. I too want my final days to be spent in LoS.

Regarding spending the final days in LOS..... Cancer treatment will definitely  reduce your sex drive and libido .....and the last thing you desire is to get pissed every night ......

There is a lot of follow up treatment to be followed after the all clear is given .....more scans  etc....so I would rather be using the NHS  for this ..... Thailand for me is a quick in and out holiday destination ....check in and check out .....

 

This of course is only my view ....

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LOTTELLEE WINNA
26 minutes ago, TOPCHEF said:

Regarding spending the final days in LOS..... Cancer treatment will definitely  reduce your sex drive and libido .....and the last thing you desire is to get pissed every night ......

There is a lot of follow up treatment to be followed after the all clear is given .....more scans  etc....so I would rather be using the NHS  for this ..... Thailand for me is a quick in and out holiday destination ....check in and check out .....

 

This of course is only my view ....

Your comment makes an eminently reasonable point - for some guys Thailand is a holiday destination, for others though (myself included), it has a deeper, more meaningful - even spiritual - attachment. 

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snowmiser

There is more to Thailand / Pattaya than pussy and drinking. If you cannot see beyond that I feel sorry for those individuals. You get out of it exactly what you put in. 

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thinkingallowed
55 minutes ago, LOTTELLEE WINNA said:

Your comment makes an eminently reasonable point - for some guys Thailand is a holiday destination, for others though (myself included), it has a deeper, more meaningful - even spiritual - attachment. 

You seem like a really nice guy from your post and I don't see you ending up in the same situation, having assets to sell and e-begging to fund your stay. It would be a strange type of spirituality that caused that type of behaviour.

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Geordie59
2 hours ago, Pheat said:

It would not take months .After the first initial visit to his GP back in the UK after the GP examined Kev.

The GP would have a very good idea how serious the situation was and would be on the phone straight away to book an urgent appointment with a specialist to examine Kev .

I have personal experience from family members in the UK who have been treated for cancer and treatment started very quickly from diagnoses.

One within 72hours  from the initial GP appointment.

Agreed 100%.
The NHS does have some long waiting lists but not when urgency is required. This would apply to a non resident in reality even if not in theory.
When this news first broke my immediate thought was why not go back to the UK. Got me wondering if he has issues there that rule out that option.

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Stokielad

Just to be clear the NHS is still struggling, they simply do not have the funds to provide the levls of service required.

I have seen both sides in the last year. In October I had a prostate cancer scare, prmiarily caused by a twitchy new young GP who I was seeing about a urinary infection when she examined my prostate thought it was abnormal and enlarged and was really concerned (she would be useless at poker, it was very obvious she throught it was cancerous).

I got to see a specialist two weeks later and results within 48 hours with the consultant himself calling me to say there was absolutely nothing to worry about and he would be writing to the GP to tell to relearn her prostate examination techniques! It was a crap two weeks mind you, she had me massively worried.

However on the bad side, I had an accident at the start of  the year and snapped off two upper crowns in my mouth  that left two broken roots that need removing, one with a live exposed nerve. Despite my dentist saying I am a priority case and it could only be done via an operation at the dental hosipital, I have been waiting SEVEN MONTHS and still no date. I am on a raft of painkillers and struggle to eat normally without a lot of pain. None of that matters a jot, I am not dying so I just have to wait ... and wait ...

By the time I reach a pensionable age in about 15 years, the NHS will have been overwhelmed, it just cannot cope with the sheer numbers and the collapse of the social care system for pensioners in the UK.

Finally (and i know this is really happening from friends who work at a senior level at Leeds general infirmary) the NHS are becoming far harder to access without paying for non UK residents, and that includes returning ex-pats. Have a look at this article on the BBC https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-48907130

The medical staff hate the pressure but have no choice now but to apply the checks to every patient. If you are planning to use the NHS as your backstop, you really need to have a firm plan in place for getting the rights docs, a real uk address and appropriate bills etc available for inspection, times have changed.

 

 

 

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vimto66
54 minutes ago, Stokielad said:

Just to be clear the NHS is still struggling, they simply do not have the funds to provide the levls of service required...

Only the other week the BMA said they will oppose the governments pledge to make sure `health tourists` pay for their NHS treatment saying its `racist`....yes racist, makes you fucking sick.

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Whalley

Kevin in no way a wealthy person.  A few assets, yes.  The notion that so many on here subscribe, that Kevin should have to sell his last assets and become penniless is just heartless. 

Being broke in Thailand or anywhere at his age is just a different form of death.  

That there are those who can help him through crowd funding is a good thing and a better option for him than selling out and becoming broke IMHO.

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NorCalKid
Posted (edited)
On 12/07/2019 at 11:41, mgthom75 said:

Understood. 

But given his current financial predicament, I think he needs to consider dropping the price significantly, even it it means having a 'fire sale' ....to get rid asap and raise some cash. 

The  true 'market value' of his place in Spain is whatever a buyer is willing to pay. If it's been on the market for ages, it's over-priced!

It's never a pleasant option to sell below what one might feel is the current market value, but he clearly needs money in the short term.

Or just pull out a second mortgage on that place, pay a little interest and buy some time till it sells.  

EDIT if the guy really has multiple properties (I only know of the one he mentioned selling in the last video) coming up with 2-3M baht shouldn't be too much trouble.

Edited by NorCalKid

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mgthom75
Posted (edited)
20 minutes ago, NorCalKid said:

Or just pull out a second mortgage on that place, pay a little interest and buy some time till it sells.  

EDIT if the guy really has multiple properties (I only know of the one he mentioned selling in the last video) coming up with 2-3M baht shouldn't be too much trouble.

Agreed.  I think one person on this thread suggested he had three properties and that's now being taken as fact for some.  From watching his videos, I can only recall him having one apartment in Spain which he returned to recently to fix up and put up for sale.

But, regardless, I think he'll get more sympathy/donations if he demonstrates that he's making more of a concerted effort to sell the assets he retains...which is as least one apartment in Spain and a Ford truck in Pattaya....both of which are 'indulgences' that are not necessary to live in Pattaya.

Edited by mgthom75

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NorCalKid
3 hours ago, Whalley said:

Kevin in no way a wealthy person.  A few assets, yes.  The notion that so many on here subscribe, that Kevin should have to sell his last assets and become penniless is just heartless. 

Being broke in Thailand or anywhere at his age is just a different form of death.  

That there are those who can help him through crowd funding is a good thing and a better option for him than selling out and becoming broke IMHO.

I really do wish him the best.  But when I look at somewhere do donate, those I feel are deserving.  A grown adult that chose to smoke, chose not to get insurance, chooses to stay in Thailand and has assets at home that he can tap into..   

I guess it's just really tough for me to feel that's needy.  Father Ray, the orphanage for kids with HIV, etc.  I see that as needy.  Preserving a lifestyle is a want.  

Maybe that makes me a bad person but that's how I feel.  

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mgthom75
Posted (edited)
4 hours ago, Whalley said:

Kevin in no way a wealthy person.  A few assets, yes.  The notion that so many on here subscribe, that Kevin should have to sell his last assets and become penniless is just heartless. 

Being broke in Thailand or anywhere at his age is just a different form of death.  

That there are those who can help him through crowd funding is a good thing and a better option for him than selling out and becoming broke IMHO.

Kev chose to retire early. 

Most of us have to graft until we're 65 or 66 before we get to retire and enjoy our golden years. AFAIK, Kev is now only 59 or 60...and has been 'retired' a few years.

If he was truly destitute, then I could somewhat understand the need to ask for help.

But he clearly has some assets that I think he could make a more concerted effort to sell before asking for help.  I don't think anyone was suggesting he should sell every last asset he has, leaving him without a house over his head.

I don't think selling his truck or an overseas property would be that much of a hardship...a large number of UK expats living in Pattaya don't have those kinds of assets...instead they solely rely upon a state pension.

As Kev can't draw a UK pension until he's 66, he has the option to return to the UK and start working again.  Or sell some disposable assets.  Or rely upon GoFundMe for a hand-out.  I can understand why the last option rubs BM's up the wrong way (myself included).

I wish I could retire as early as he did!

I just hope he puts his health first and does what needs to be done to get the best treatment (even if that means returning permanently to the UK to start working again and get free NHS healthcare)

 

Edited by mgthom75

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Whalley
7 hours ago, NorCalKid said:

I really do wish him the best.  But when I look at somewhere do donate, those I feel are deserving.  A grown adult that chose to smoke, chose not to get insurance, chooses to stay in Thailand and has assets at home that he can tap into..   

I guess it's just really tough for me to feel that's needy.  Father Ray, the orphanage for kids with HIV, etc.  I see that as needy.  Preserving a lifestyle is a want.  

Maybe that makes me a bad person but that's how I feel.  

 

7 hours ago, mgthom75 said:

Kev chose to retire early. 

Most of us have to graft until we're 65 or 66 before we get to retire and enjoy our golden years. AFAIK, Kev is now only 59 or 60...and has been 'retired' a few years.

If he was truly destitute, then I could somewhat understand the need to ask for help.

But he clearly has some assets that I think he could make a more concerted effort to sell before asking for help.  I don't think anyone was suggesting he should sell every last asset he has, leaving him without a house over his head.

I don't think selling his truck or an overseas property would be that much of a hardship...a large number of UK expats living in Pattaya don't have those kinds of assets...instead they solely rely upon a state pension.

As Kev can't draw a UK pension until he's 66, he has the option to return to the UK and start working again.  Or sell some disposable assets.  Or rely upon GoFundMe for a hand-out.  I can understand why the last option rubs BM's up the wrong way (myself included).

I wish I could retire as early as he did!

 

 

 

Most every person on this board is a risk takers.  Some of us just luckier than others.  Luck wasn't with Kevin but no reason to condemn or vilify him for it.

That he had the courage to retire early is commendable.  No point to be jealous.   If it were not for being blindsided with a rare and tragic illness, his plans weren't unreasonable.

If his supporters can help him avoid financial ruin in this fight of his life, then hats off to them and to Kevin.  Big difference between maintaining a lifestyle and avoiding financial ruin.

Why would anybody begrudge him if good hearted people step up voluntarily to help?  Nobody is forcing anybody's hand here.

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Pheat
Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, Whalley said:

Big difference between maintaining a lifestyle and avoiding financial ruin.

Hardly financial ruin having to sell a pick up and an apartment in Spain

i would have thought for some one who had the finances to retire at 54/55 and move to Thailand.

Edited by Pheat

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thinkingallowed
3 hours ago, Whalley said:

 

 

Most every person on this board is a risk takers.  Some of us just luckier than others.  Luck wasn't with Kevin but no reason to condemn or vilify him for it.

That he had the courage to retire early is commendable.  No point to be jealous.   If it were not for being blindsided with a rare and tragic illness, his plans weren't unreasonable.

If his supporters can help him avoid financial ruin in this fight of his life, then hats off to them and to Kevin.  Big difference between maintaining a lifestyle and avoiding financial ruin.

Why would anybody begrudge him if good hearted people step up voluntarily to help?  Nobody is forcing anybody's hand here.

I'm just passed the age Kevin retired, do you think I should set up a go fund me to allow me to quit work. What about if I help out by working without a work permit vlogging?

I'd not expect to have a truck to help keep the costs down but if you insisted then I'd be fine with it.

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Scuba+
Hardly financial ruin having to sell a pick up and an apartment in Spain
i would have thought for some one who had the finances to retire at 54/55 and move to Thailand.
Says the man running around trying to get the case of free Chang

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bryso

feel sorry for the bloke i really do but your health comes first before houses and pick up trucks

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Pheat
35 minutes ago, Scuba+ said:

Says the man running around trying to get the case of free Chang emoji1.png

Mate 2 cases of Chang which I now have sat next to my fridge 

You snooze 

You lose 

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