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Curious if anyone here has lived in Vietnam either working as an expat or retired for one year or more.

 

If so, what city or cities?

 

How did living in the country compare to visiting as a tourist?

 

I remember a couple of years ago that people frustrated with the Visa situation in Thailand pledged to move to Vietnam instead but these days that doesn't seem to come up much.

 

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When i went to Vietnam and i travelled around it was ok but nothing special. I've always liked Thailand more on all levels. Also there was a feeling they would try to rip you off more than Thailand, in fact it was the only place ever that a massage girl has tried to steal my money, passport etc.

Maybe its changed, people seem to like Da Nang so maybe worth considering there

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bfinkay

I lived the for some time (Thailand and other Asian locations as well) and HCMC is my favourite.

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On 24/01/2019 at 18:30, LuvAsianAss said:

I’ve spent many years on and off living in HCMC and have been based there for the past 7 years. It’s a much better place to live than visit. Costs are cheaper than Bangkok, getting around is easy and everything you need is located in a small area in D1. Expats are located here, D2 and in D7, which has a substantial Korean population. 

Living in HCMC you don’t need to P4P, there’s a massive and growing supply and demand imbalance between the amount of single foreign men and the amount of Vietnamese women looking for them. However P4P is widely available and once you live here, you get to know where to go and realise it’s significantly cheaper than most of Thailand. Remember unlike in Thailand being seen with a foreign boyfriend here is a status symbol with no negative stigma at all. Most tourists looking for P4P get fooled into thinking that the backpacker area is where to go. Avoid it like the plague, that is where you will get ripped off and pickpocketed. Girls there are dealing with a very transient population who are on a budget and their only interest is extracting as much money as possible. Things change dramatically once you venture into the suburbs. 

I certainly wouldn’t recommend Danang. There’s little to do there and it’s currently overrun with Korean and Chinese tourists on package holidays. 

I'm here in HCMC right now and I'm not really feeling it to be honest. I've got a month here, so I'm not exactly a tourist but I feel I've seen enough. First, I don't really see where it's cheaper than BKK except for maybe beer is a bit cheaper and Western food is a bit cheaper also. But regular massages cost more and aren't as good as Thailand, and housing seems to be a bit more expensive. In BKK you have a legion of available condos less than a couple hundred meters from a BTS station going for like 15000 baht on long term leases. In HCMC it's more like $600 US and up and a 20+ minute ride on a shitty Grab motorbike to get to your condo.

There's also little to do here. Granted, even BKK doesn't have much to do after you've done the Nana/Cowboy/Soi 22 lap for a few months, but what is really here in HCMC? Everybody says to stay away from the backpacker area, but what else is there? I can ride my ass out to Benny's on a scooter for 20 minutes. Just hope you don't get there when the bus of horny Chinese dudes gets dropped off and you're waiting around for an hour. The malls here totally suck compared to BKK, and the food isn't really all that great outside of the pho (which is awesome).

And then the girls. Forget about approaching, unless you speak Vietnamese. They're likely to fucking run away screaming if a foreigner talks to them. Online girls, sure I can hook up with them. And sure, they want to date foreigners. They show up to a date dressed like they're going to fucking church! And when you get them naked, better get ready for some granny panties. In BKK, even the "good" girls are pretty slutty, lol. I like that about BKK.

Where is this cheap P4P? And does it involved a 40+ minute Grab moto ride to some shady Vietnamese chicken farm? Because it sure isn't to be found in D1.

On the plus side, nobody is trying to rip me off. Everybody has been very friendly. The Vietnamese seem to like Americans, which makes them a significant minority in the world. The weather has been spectacular compared to the sweatbox of BKK. I'm going to try Da Nang next for a month. Supposedly it's labeled "The Most Livable City in Vietnam". At this point, I feel like every damn place is the same the world over - they all get boring after awhile. I'm hoping Da Nang is just an easy place to live with a nice beach for me to go for a jog on. If I like it, I'll stay for longer and visa run to Pattaya for my P4P.

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I'm here in HCMC right now and I'm not really feeling it to be honest. I've got a month here, so I'm not exactly a tourist but I feel I've seen enough. First, I don't really see where it's cheaper than BKK except for maybe beer is a bit cheaper and Western food is a bit cheaper also. But regular massages cost more and aren't as good as Thailand, and housing seems to be a bit more expensive. In BKK you have a legion of available condos less than a couple hundred meters from a BTS station going for like 15000 baht on long term leases. In HCMC it's more like $600 US and up and a 20+ minute ride on a shitty Grab motorbike to get to your condo.
There's also little to do here. Granted, even BKK doesn't have much to do after you've done the Nana/Cowboy/Soi 22 lap for a few months, but what is really here in HCMC? Everybody says to stay away from the backpacker area, but what else is there? I can ride my ass out to Benny's on a scooter for 20 minutes. Just hope you don't get there when the bus of horny Chinese dudes gets dropped off and you're waiting around for an hour. The malls here totally suck compared to BKK, and the food isn't really all that great outside of the pho (which is awesome).
And then the girls. Forget about approaching, unless you speak Vietnamese. They're likely to fucking run away screaming if a foreigner talks to them. Online girls, sure I can hook up with them. And sure, they want to date foreigners. They show up to a date dressed like they're going to fucking church! And when you get them naked, better get ready for some granny panties. In BKK, even the "good" girls are pretty slutty, lol. I like that about BKK.
Where is this cheap P4P? And does it involved a 40+ minute Grab moto ride to some shady Vietnamese chicken farm? Because it sure isn't to be found in D1.
On the plus side, nobody is trying to rip me off. Everybody has been very friendly. The Vietnamese seem to like Americans, which makes them a significant minority in the world. The weather has been spectacular compared to the sweatbox of BKK. I'm going to try Da Nang next for a month. Supposedly it's labeled "The Most Livable City in Vietnam". At this point, I feel like every damn place is the same the world over - they all get boring after awhile. I'm hoping Da Nang is just an easy place to live with a nice beach for me to go for a jog on. If I like it, I'll stay for longer and visa run to Pattaya for my P4P.
Good info, let us know how Da Nang goes

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I'm here in HCMC right now and I'm not really feeling it to be honest. I've got a month here, so I'm not exactly a tourist but I feel I've seen enough. First, I don't really see where it's cheaper than BKK except for maybe beer is a bit cheaper and Western food is a bit cheaper also. But regular massages cost more and aren't as good as Thailand, and housing seems to be a bit more expensive. In BKK you have a legion of available condos less than a couple hundred meters from a BTS station going for like 15000 baht on long term leases. In HCMC it's more like $600 US and up and a 20+ minute ride on a shitty Grab motorbike to get to your condo.
There's also little to do here. Granted, even BKK doesn't have much to do after you've done the Nana/Cowboy/Soi 22 lap for a few months, but what is really here in HCMC? Everybody says to stay away from the backpacker area, but what else is there? I can ride my ass out to Benny's on a scooter for 20 minutes. Just hope you don't get there when the bus of horny Chinese dudes gets dropped off and you're waiting around for an hour. The malls here totally suck compared to BKK, and the food isn't really all that great outside of the pho (which is awesome).
And then the girls. Forget about approaching, unless you speak Vietnamese. They're likely to fucking run away screaming if a foreigner talks to them. Online girls, sure I can hook up with them. And sure, they want to date foreigners. They show up to a date dressed like they're going to fucking church! And when you get them naked, better get ready for some granny panties. In BKK, even the "good" girls are pretty slutty, lol. I like that about BKK.
Where is this cheap P4P? And does it involved a 40+ minute Grab moto ride to some shady Vietnamese chicken farm? Because it sure isn't to be found in D1.
On the plus side, nobody is trying to rip me off. Everybody has been very friendly. The Vietnamese seem to like Americans, which makes them a significant minority in the world. The weather has been spectacular compared to the sweatbox of BKK. I'm going to try Da Nang next for a month. Supposedly it's labeled "The Most Livable City in Vietnam". At this point, I feel like every damn place is the same the world over - they all get boring after awhile. I'm hoping Da Nang is just an easy place to live with a nice beach for me to go for a jog on. If I like it, I'll stay for longer and visa run to Pattaya for my P4P.
Thanks for the details I really appreciate it. The Visa situation is better for many westerners in Vietnam and there are jobs in my industry in HCMC that pop up more frequently than Bangkok for similar pay. I looked at apartments online and came to the conclusion that for the same price, HCMC offers more square footage and maybe housekeeping 3x per week, but in much more basic poorly designed buildings with fewer amenities than Bangkok. Also transport, as you said, is nowhere near as convenient with lots of apartment buildings far from the action. HCMC is still working on its first subway line and that is a long and messy saga.



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On 24/01/2019 at 18:30, LuvAsianAss said:

Living in HCMC you don’t need to P4P, there’s a massive and growing supply and demand imbalance between the amount of single foreign men and the amount of Vietnamese women looking for them. However P4P is widely available and once you live here, you get to know where to go and realise it’s significantly cheaper than most of Thailand. Remember unlike in Thailand being seen with a foreign boyfriend here is a status symbol with no negative stigma at all.

I have no idea how you came to that conclusion, my friend was an English teacher and he constantly had Vietnamese locals having a go at his girlfriend, why are you with a foreigner etc. My personal experience, had this drunk Vietnamese guy walk up in front of his mates and start asking about the girl I was with, if she was my girlfriend, how she was very beautiful. His mate came up to take him away, but I got the feeling he was trying to start something, there was a distinct confrontational vibe (aided by his inebriated state, I doubt it would have happened otherwise). Never witnessed this sort of thing elsewhere.

Also I forget the name of the disco, it's about 1km north of Apocalypse now. Visited with a girl, noticed it was packed with well dressed young presumably expat guys, with a ratio of 3 guys to 1 girl. Demand imbalance? Yes, but in favor of the girls. There are willing girls, but they're not so easy to find/approach.

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5 hours ago, sabato said:

I have no idea how you came to that conclusion, my friend was an English teacher and he constantly had Vietnamese locals having a go at his girlfriend, why are you with a foreigner etc. My personal experience, had this drunk Vietnamese guy walk up in front of his mates and start asking about the girl I was with, if she was my girlfriend, how she was very beautiful. His mate came up to take him away, but I got the feeling he was trying to start something, there was a distinct confrontational vibe (aided by his inebriated state, I doubt it would have happened otherwise). Never witnessed this sort of thing elsewhere.

Also I forget the name of the disco, it's about 1km north of Apocalypse now. Visited with a girl, noticed it was packed with well dressed young presumably expat guys, with a ratio of 3 guys to 1 girl. Demand imbalance? Yes, but in favor of the girls. There are willing girls, but they're not so easy to find/approach.

With respect my observations were made on experiences over the past twenty years. Going to discos is not something Vietnamese girls did until very recently but even now, high priced discos are avoided by all except working girls, and beer clubs have become hugely popular with both genders. 

 

 

 

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Thanks for the details I really appreciate it. The Visa situation is better for many westerners in Vietnam and there are jobs in my industry in HCMC that pop up more frequently than Bangkok for similar pay. I looked at apartments online and came to the conclusion that for the same price, HCMC offers more square footage and maybe housekeeping 3x per week, but in much more basic poorly designed buildings with fewer amenities than Bangkok. Also transport, as you said, is nowhere near as convenient with lots of apartment buildings far from the action. HCMC is still working on its first subway line and that is a long and messy saga.



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I think we paid about US$600 or 650 for an old three level terrace with top floor balcony that was on the edge of D1, maid was maybe $150-200 a month. Many options and much easier if you have some VNese friends to help you.

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4 hours ago, LuvAsianAss said:

With respect my observations were made on experiences over the past twenty years. Going to discos is not something Vietnamese girls did until very recently but even now, high priced discos are avoided by all except working girls, and beer clubs have become hugely popular with both genders. 

 

 

 

Nobody is trying to clown on you, we appreciate you sharing your experiences with us. It's just, I feel like a lot of the advice on Vietnam is similar...there's a lot of advice on where NOT to go, but not much on where to go. And the few times there is some advice on where to go, it's usually something like this:

"Ok, hop on your motor scooter and take a ride for 35 to 40 minutes to Bo Chun Phat road in D13. Follow the creepy alleway next to the Circle K for about 250 meters then take the 3rd right. Now, you'll probably be fearful for your life at this point, but don't worry about it because I'm still alive, so you'll be fine too. Anyways, some shady Vietnamese dude will pop his head out of a doorway and ask if you want 'boom-boom'. Tell him yes, and follow him up to the 3rd floor of the dilapidated shack that he leads you into. Be sure to tip him 50000 dong so he isn't tempted to kick your ass right there. Inside, the mamasan will lead out some girls for you to choose. Pick your girl, and pay the desk half a million dong. The girl will take you to a room where she'll do everything half assed and beg for a tip. Pay the tip so she'll only do everything a quarter assed. All, in about $40 US for a great time. See, like I said only fools and backpackers are paying $90 US down in the D1 backpacker area."

12 hours ago, Nick Adams said:

Thanks for the details I really appreciate it. The Visa situation is better for many westerners in Vietnam and there are jobs in my industry in HCMC that pop up more frequently than Bangkok for similar pay. I looked at apartments online and came to the conclusion that for the same price, HCMC offers more square footage and maybe housekeeping 3x per week, but in much more basic poorly designed buildings with fewer amenities than Bangkok. Also transport, as you said, is nowhere near as convenient with lots of apartment buildings far from the action. HCMC is still working on its first subway line and that is a long and messy saga.



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Yeah, the visa situation is the number one reason I'm giving Vietnam a solid look. The visa situation in Thailand just absolutely sucks for a long term traveler/early retiree. At this point, I've given up on finding a place with easy visa issues, nice and cheap living, and an exciting nightlife with the availability of cheap and easy pussy when required. Basically, you can pick 2 of those 3. So, yeah I'll report back on Da Nang. I expect it will be boring; I'm just hoping it's a nice, easy place to live with mild weather and somewhere I can actually go for a run that isn't a treadmill - a fucking luxury in Asian cities, or so it would seem.

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5 hours ago, LuvAsianAss said:

With respect my observations were made on experiences over the past twenty years. Going to discos is not something Vietnamese girls did until very recently but even now, high priced discos are avoided by all except working girls, and beer clubs have become hugely popular with both genders.

I'm sure in the right context what you said is accurate, in the sense my friend hung around in difference circles. It's just as far as 'there is no negative stigma at all', more than a few guys definitely do have a problem with it, and aren't shy to let it be known, while I don't think girls care.

I brought a Thai girl to Vietnam once, she had local guys drop comments at her as we walked past. I don't speak Vietnamese, so I don't know what they're saying - but making an educated guess, it wasn't respectful.

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20 minutes ago, Budderfli said:

Nobody is trying to clown on you, we appreciate you sharing your experiences with us. It's just, I feel like a lot of the advice on Vietnam is similar...there's a lot of advice on where NOT to go, but not much on where to go. And the few times there is some advice on where to go, it's usually something like this:

"Ok, hop on your motor scooter and take a ride for 35 to 40 minutes to Bo Chun Phat road in D13. Follow the creepy alleway next to the Circle K for about 250 meters then take the 3rd right. Now, you'll probably be fearful for your life at this point, but don't worry about it because I'm still alive, so you'll be fine too. Anyways, some shady Vietnamese dude will pop his head out of a doorway and ask if you want 'boom-boom'. Tell him yes, and follow him up to the 3rd floor of the dilapidated shack that he leads you into. Be sure to tip him 50000 dong so he isn't tempted to kick your ass right there. Inside, the mamasan will lead out some girls for you to choose. Pick your girl, and pay the desk half a million dong. The girl will take you to a room where she'll do everything half assed and beg for a tip. Pay the tip so she'll only do everything a quarter assed. All, in about $40 US for a great time. See, like I said only fools and backpackers are paying $90 US down in the D1 backpacker area."

Yeah, the visa situation is the number one reason I'm giving Vietnam a solid look. The visa situation in Thailand just absolutely sucks for a long term traveler/early retiree. At this point, I've given up on finding a place with easy visa issues, nice and cheap living, and an exciting nightlife with the availability of cheap and easy pussy when required. Basically, you can pick 2 of those 3. So, yeah I'll report back on Da Nang. I expect it will be boring; I'm just hoping it's a nice, easy place to live with mild weather and somewhere I can actually go for a run that isn't a treadmill - a fucking luxury in Asian cities, or so it would seem.

Very true about a lack of advice on where to go. I will post in the general Vietnam section with some places, although some I’ve been going to for many years and built up ‘relationships’ with the owners. Obviously my experience in those is likely to differ from transitory tourists. Happy to share them and pictures of girls who will meet discreetly by PM, they wouldn’t want me to post their pictures publicly and I don’t want to breach their trust! 

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3 minutes ago, sabato said:

I'm sure in the right context what you said is accurate, in the sense my friend hung around in difference circles. It's just as far as 'there is no negative stigma at all', more than a few guys definitely do have a problem with it, and aren't shy to let it be known, while I don't think girls care.

I brought a Thai girl to Vietnam once, she had local guys drop comments at her as we walked past. I don't speak Vietnamese, so I don't know what they're saying - but making an educated guess, it wasn't respectful.

Yes that’s common here. It usually translates as ‘she likes big banana’. I have never felt in any way threatened with a Vietnamese or Thai girl here. 

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"At this point, I've given up on finding a place with easy visa issues, nice and cheap living, and an exciting nightlife with the availability of cheap and easy pussy when required."

In the Philippines you can arrive on a 30 day visa free entry, extend every two months for around 3 years. Then you can leave for a day and start the process again. 

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I lived in HCMC for a few months and gotta say that I love it. The traffic is crazy (but everywhere in SEA is the same) though people do respect the pedestrian. The girl here is the main attraction for me. IMO they are hotter than Thai girls and they take care of you more. Though you gotta be mindful of the scam artists out there. I feel like when you find a girl that you really like, just chase that a bit and if she is a good girl, then stick long term. I find that work better for me but YMMV. For the night scene I like to spend a bit of money so I go to Envy often and get bottled service. I usually able to pick out someone and go home with them. It is by no mean a guaranteed but work most of the time. 

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On 04/02/2019 at 16:02, Budderfli said:

And then the girls..... They show up to a date dressed like they're going to fucking church! And when you get them naked, better get ready for some granny panties.

haha yeh they're no good at p4p dates.......... And they're not touchy feely like the Thais. In Saigon they put girls in Ao dais in front of the massage shops on along Le Thanh Ton (the main strip in front of the narrow lanes where the small hostess bars are) handing out leaflets but when you go up and Touch them they shirk away or else give you the death stare. They are Totally Unsuitable for work where there might be physical contact with a customer or even the prospect of physical contact.

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So, I promised an update on my stay in Da Nang. I stayed out there a month. And the verdict is...I quite liked it! Much more so than HCMC. It's definitely not a party spot though, so if you are looking for several short times a day, don't expect to find that. In fact, Vietnam is a pretty conservative country - the proximity to Thailand has not washed off of it at all when it comes to the girlie scene. Do yourself a favor and don't come here if that's a big part of what you look for on your travels - it just ain't here. It wasn't until I had been there for nearly the whole month that some tout proposed a "boom boom" to me, and I was rather shocked to hear it. There was also a massage place near where I was staying in the Korea Town area that with hindsight, was probably offering extras. At the time I just went in looking for a foot massage, and when they told me it 350k dong (about $15 US), I left in shock! Coming home late one night, I saw some smoking hot girl getting on her moped outside the place, and then I finally figured out what was probably going on. There's no way of knowing for sure, but perhaps if you're an expert at picking out dirty massage spots, you could probably spy a limited few around town.
What did I like about Da Nang? Well, for one the weather is nice. It's hot, but not as hot as most of Thailand and it gets a nice sea breeze. Not as humid either. You can wear pants at night and even during the day I wore pants when I needed to take a scooter ride. The beaches here are fantastic, although you do see some trash washed up along the shore when you get outside of the immediate tourist areas. As others have noted, it's a very clean city for SEA...for SEA. It's still not exactly up to western standards, however. There's a lot of development going on, a lot of half finished/under used lots, that tend to become a magnet for illegal dumping. The city itself, especially at night, looks gorgeous...walking along the riverfront all the bridges are buildings are lit up. But the final word on what I liked, compared to Thailand, is that the weather allows you to go out and do things during the day. Take a run or a bike ride, no problem. And it's not so crowded to do those things during a weekday. This isn't a mega tourist spot (there's some Koreans, Chinese, and hippie or burnout (me!) Westerners), so everybody is at work...or want to maintain their ghostly white complexions. The beach gets "crowded" as the sun is on its way down.
The layout of the city is great also. The city is relatively new, as the grizzled old retired American GI's will tell you. That means no medieval city streets. Wide open avenues, few traffic lights, many roundabouts. Traffic here moves...and you better move out of its way, because it ain't stopping! They will go around you though. There's a certain sanity to it once you get used to it. More than once, I almost caused some poor scooter driver to go down by hesitating when crossing the street - they're anticipating that you will go and that they will drive around you. 15 minutes will get you pretty much anywhere you could conceivably want to go in the city...including the airport. The day I left, I left way early. In less than one hour, I was out the door of my condo and through the security checkpoint twiddling my thumbs.
So, what's not to like? Well, the food can be a bummer. The Viet food is good, and I enjoyed that, but western options are very limited. First off, for fellow Americans...there's no McDonald's. I admit I do miss my super size combo from time to time. I think there might be a Burger King at the airport. There's one Pizza Hut and one Pizza Company. There's no proper British/Australian/Irish pubs (there's Dirty Fingers, owned by an Australian...I'll just say it's a good place to have a drink and meet fellow expats). Plenty of KFC, though! There's also a couple of fusion/hipster expat owned restaurants, if you want something a bit more fancy and expensive (but not massively so). I absolutely loved My Casa, owned by an Italian and Spaniard...the mojito here is fantastic, and a bargain at 100k ($4.50 US) for like a pint sized glass. And it's half off during happy hour! The food is good, but the portions are more "tapas" sized and the prices like around 200 to 300 VND for a portion. So, by Western standards not bad, but not exactly the greatest bargain for you Aussies on the hunt for your daily "feed".
The other thing not to like? Well, I want to put this in the "neutral" category. And that's the nightlife. There's a scene here. You'll run into the same people soon enough. There's a couple of places where you can also run into some local girls, but they don't really speak english. And while there's plenty of cute Viet girls, they don't put it on display like they do in Thailand. After a month in Da Nang, I went to Chiang Mai, and I was rubber necking all over the place checking out the girls in their short skirts/shorts and tiny outfits. You don't see much of that in Da Nang. It's not all bad, though...personally I appreciate that there's things to do other than go out and get drunk every night.
In short, if your idea of retirement or taking a mid life break is somewhere nice, as opposed to somewhere kind of seedy, I think Da Nang deserves a look. You can get a direct flight of about an hour to somewhere seedy when the need arises. And for Americans especially, there's a couple of things that make Vietnam in general an appealing choice. Namely they drive on the right side of the road, they like Americans (apparently something like an 86% approval for America...only 1% less than how Americans perceive themselves!). And finally, there's a really fantastic 1 year visa option for US citizens only...really nice if you don't qualify or don't want a Thai retirement visa.
Anyways, I plan to go back and do a longer stay beginning about a month from now. In the meantime, I'm somewhere seedy right now...Pattaya! Anybody wants to know more, hit me up and we can grab a drink.
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This is pure gold. Thank you so much anonymous Internet dude!

"In short, if your idea of retirement or taking a mid life break is somewhere nice, as opposed to somewhere kind of seedy, I think Da Nang deserves a look. You can get a direct flight of about an hour to somewhere seedy when the need arises. And for Americans especially, there's a couple of things that make Vietnam in general an appealing choice. Namely they drive on the right side of the road, they like Americans (apparently something like an 86% approval for America...only 1% less than how Americans perceive themselves!). And finally, there's a really fantastic 1 year visa option for US citizens only...really nice if you don't qualify or don't want a Thai retirement visa.
Anyways, I plan to go back and do a longer stay beginning about a month from now. In the meantime, I'm somewhere seedy right now...Pattaya!"

Golden!

It sounds like you are living the life. I hope to do the same some day. I am trying to get a feel for the main cities I would spend time in, with healthy dose of Thailand mixed in. The 1-year Visa in Vietnam is a big deal to me.

I am interested in:

Bangkok
Chiang Mai
Pattaya
Hua Hin
Rayong

Da Nang
HCMC

...as places to stay for 1 to 3 months at a go.

I guess the big question is, is it worth maintaining an apartment year-round someplace affordable like Da Nang while visiting other cities for 1 or so months at a time. I don't like the idea of buying a place, nor do I want to live out of a suitcase or two as a perpetual traveler.


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57 minutes ago, Nick Adams said:

I guess the big question is, is it worth maintaining an apartment year-round someplace affordable like Da Nang while visiting other cities for 1 or so months at a time. I don't like the idea of buying a place, nor do I want to live out of a suitcase or two as a perpetual traveler.
 

This is the same question I'm often struggling with. Actually it's the question a lot of those that are more nomadic are always discussing, and that everybody else thinks we're assholes for even having the conversation. You have to do your own math as to what's worthwhile, but I've been bouncing around for about 2 and a half years now. Sometimes I worked back in the US and went from one bags to two, but for the most part I've just lived out the one. My thinking is, if you want to live somewhere for a month to 3, and you want to do that at least twice a year, you're probably better off just getting short term rentals and not keeping a place and living out of the bag. When you get sick of that, get a longer term stay. And when you get sick of that, just go nomad again and dump all the shit that you got. It probably only cost you a couple of hundred bucks anyways. It's probably not worth it to keep a place if you're not going to use it, let's say at least 9 months out of the year. And besides, it's easy enough to get a 6 month lease in most places...Vietnam especially seems to be a place where you can get 3 or 6 month leases at prices that are comparable to signing for a year. Of course, if money isn't an issue, just go ahead and get the home base. But if you've got the itch to go nomad, you're better off to go ahead and scratch it when and if you can.

Living out of the bag is actually the easy part. I appreciate my minimalist life style now. The parts I don't like are moving around for what starts to seem like just moving for the sake of moving. Not having a decent chair to sit my butt in for playing some video games. And the difficulty in putting together a solid routine that would allow me to hit the gym more and eat better.

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This is the same question I'm often struggling with. Actually it's the question a lot of those that are more nomadic are always discussing, and that everybody else thinks we're assholes for even having the conversation. You have to do your own math as to what's worthwhile, but I've been bouncing around for about 2 and a half years now. Sometimes I worked back in the US and went from one bags to two, but for the most part I've just lived out the one. My thinking is, if you want to live somewhere for a month to 3, and you want to do that at least twice a year, you're probably better off just getting short term rentals and not keeping a place and living out of the bag. When you get sick of that, get a longer term stay. And when you get sick of that, just go nomad again and dump all the shit that you got. It probably only cost you a couple of hundred bucks anyways. It's probably not worth it to keep a place if you're not going to use it, let's say at least 9 months out of the year. And besides, it's easy enough to get a 6 month lease in most places...Vietnam especially seems to be a place where you can get 3 or 6 month leases at prices that are comparable to signing for a year. Of course, if money isn't an issue, just go ahead and get the home base. But if you've got the itch to go nomad, you're better off to go ahead and scratch it when and if you can.

Living out of the bag is actually the easy part. I appreciate my minimalist life style now. The parts I don't like are moving around for what starts to seem like just moving for the sake of moving. Not having a decent chair to sit my butt in for playing some video games. And the difficulty in putting together a solid routine that would allow me to hit the gym more and eat better.

If the retirement visa situation became too difficult in Thailand I would switch to what you do, maybe 3 months Thailand then 6 months Vietnam or other then 3 months Thailand. That would avoid any daft financial requirements and potential health insurance obligations they bring in. My place in Thailand would allow me to store stuff here for free, motorbike, road bike, other stuff

 

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On 10/04/2019 at 22:58, Budderfli said:

This is the same question I'm often struggling with. Actually it's the question a lot of those that are more nomadic are always discussing, and that everybody else thinks we're assholes for even having the conversation. You have to do your own math as to what's worthwhile, but I've been bouncing around for about 2 and a half years now. Sometimes I worked back in the US and went from one bags to two, but for the most part I've just lived out the one. My thinking is, if you want to live somewhere for a month to 3, and you want to do that at least twice a year, you're probably better off just getting short term rentals and not keeping a place and living out of the bag. When you get sick of that, get a longer term stay. And when you get sick of that, just go nomad again and dump all the shit that you got. It probably only cost you a couple of hundred bucks anyways. It's probably not worth it to keep a place if you're not going to use it, let's say at least 9 months out of the year. And besides, it's easy enough to get a 6 month lease in most places...Vietnam especially seems to be a place where you can get 3 or 6 month leases at prices that are comparable to signing for a year. Of course, if money isn't an issue, just go ahead and get the home base. But if you've got the itch to go nomad, you're better off to go ahead and scratch it when and if you can.

Living out of the bag is actually the easy part. I appreciate my minimalist life style now. The parts I don't like are moving around for what starts to seem like just moving for the sake of moving. Not having a decent chair to sit my butt in for playing some video games. And the difficulty in putting together a solid routine that would allow me to hit the gym more and eat better.

 

Yea this is similar to what I've been doing for a couple years now. I've spent months in Pattaya, BKK, Hua Hin, HCMC, DaNang/hoi an, Hanoi, and KL. As well as trips back to the states to stock up on supplies. I have my favorite cities now, and kind of have my routine within them which makes it much easier coming and going. I tend to accumulate stuff, be it a favorite chair or cast iron skillet which tend stay where they are for the most part; its a bit tough bringing things from one country to another, but storage is easy enough to find with a little effort. I tend to do thailand for about 4-5 months, vietnam for another 4-5 and then a couple months in europe and states over the summer, which seems to work for me. One thing I've noticed is the difference in the rainy season, whereas bkk is August/sept for rainy season and is generally a couple hours of downpours, central and northern vietnam tend to be later, say nov-january/feb and are less downpours and just generally wet all day.  thats kind of how I set my yearly schedule now. I to am an early retiree, far from being able to get a stable long term visa for Thailand, and the visa runs got to be too much. I'm quite happy with the balance now, 4-5-6 months in a place and I'm usually ready for a change, but also nice to come back to places the next year and see the same faces and have a routine already established.  

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