Siam @ Siam, Pattaya

[gmoule]

2 hours ago, George1234 said:

On the flight back to England I was lucky enough to get three seats to myself. I have, of course, seen fellow passengers in the same situation and envied their good fortune from afar. 

However, on my flight home I returned from the toilet to find an Indian passenger now sat in one of those seats (moving from his allocated seat) and now with all his crap set out on the middle seat. Of course I was none to happy. It got worse, he then proceeded to put his feet on the middle seat where they were actually touching me. A step too far and he was told to move or I would have him moved. He argued briefly and then moved himself (and his crap) back to his own seat. 

Now I could never imagine a British person doing that, but then maybe they would and I am just thinking - I wouldn’t do that. Maybe he didn’t represent general Indian behaviour whatsoever and he was individually ignorant. It is hard to know. 

I know my own country (England) best. We specialise in the supply of drunken yobs and their caveman behaviour. But who despises that group more than any other? Well of course, other English people (who are not like them). Maybe the bad of any country stand out and good majority silently resent the behaviour of their fellow countrymen. 

I stayed at the Siam@Siam and didn’t witness any ‘bad behaviour’ from Chinese/Korean guests as such. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, but I genuinely didn’t witness any. Maybe some xenophilic expats who live in Pattaya and experience all nationalities every day of the year can offer an objective analysis.

Ive had a set of 3 seats fallen asleep and woken up to an indian woman basically sitting on my feet,asked what the hell she thinks shes doin she said the seat is free,what she didnt know was that seat on the aisle was the one i purchased so called the stewardess to have her moved and refused to allow her in the window part...

[PGSTC776]

I get what you're saying, George, and it's valid, and probably the high ground.  

Racism is ugly.  Stereotyping is ugly.  And it's definitely narrow-minded to make conclusions about entire populations from just limited anecdotal evidence.

Yet at nearly spot I've visited around the world recently (Thailand, Japan, Korea, Cambodia, Vietnam) the dreaded Chinese tour group of 30-40 is there, usually times 3.  Throw in that the bureaucracy in China has used their control over how their people travel as economic/political weapons (most recently in Korea where Chinese travel dipped by 70% after the government instructed the "travel bureau" to curtail travel away from Korea after a trade dispute), how the locals in most countries seem to be really aggravated by what they view as unfair Chinese practices in their own countries, on top of the rude/obnoxious behavior... and it's not racist or bigoted to see that something is wrong.

I've got no answers, but I do avoid the areas where they congregate like the plague, and I have no doubt I usually have a better time in part because of that.

[George1234]

I agree, it is not racist to state something that is fact. Nor is it racist to have preferences. When I stayed at the Siam@Siam I rarely spoke to anybody, the predominantly Asian patrons kept together in groups, as is their prerogative . However, the previous week I stayed in Bangkok where the hotel was predominantly European patrons. Each night at the bar Germans, Brits, Yanks, Aussies, French and Dutch guys all sat chatting together. A more preferable situation for myself.

[17hrs2freedom]

17 hours ago, George1234 said:

I agree, it is not racist to state something that is fact. Nor is it racist to have preferences. When I stayed at the Siam@Siam I rarely spoke to anybody, the predominantly Asian patrons kept together in groups, as is their prerogative . However, the previous week I stayed in Bangkok where the hotel was predominantly European patrons. Each night at the bar Germans, Brits, Yanks, Aussies, French and Dutch guys all sat chatting together. A more preferable situation for myself.

 

 

 

[jlo19]

I stayed a Siam@Siam in late January and didn't notice any 

On 28/06/2018 at 02:52, 17hrs2freedom said:

While I do the same (I certainly don't go to Patts to discuss politics), I am not politically correct at all. I call a spade a spade when I see it. This dumbing down of information to be politically correct is just shit. Brainless, ridiculous shit.

But I do think Chinese need to be called out on their behavior. When I stayed at Siam @ Siam, I paid using my hard earned money and certainly don't want to hear an ugly Chinese girl burping gutteral burps while I'm waking up enjoying my breakfast. I certainly don't want to test my patience while some rude Chinese guy cuts in front of me in the que, and as certainly don't want to see a Chinese guy eat off the buffet line like a primate. Sure, other ethnicities do the same, blah blah blah, but I'm talking about mainland Chinese. I haven't seen behavior like this in my life and found the whole experience appalling. And we are suppose to ignore it? Why? I said the same thing in my review on Tripadvisor. Google Thailand sending a letter to China about their manners. Its quite sad. Apparently, nobody in China got it, or their desire to burp/shit on the floor instead of the toilet is too strong for them to deny. (Don't even get me started on my story about the Koh Phi Phi boat tour- 1 toilet on an island and 50 Chinese waiting- finally get to it and there is 3 inches of shit all over the floor. You couldn't get anywhere near the toilet without stepping in 3 inches of shit. And they all look at me like "hey dumbass, you going? People are waiting." And not to mention the 100B tip they gave the crew (8 people chipped in) for an 8 hour day).

That and exactly that, is why I won't stay in Chinese tourist majority hotels ever again.

 

 

I stayed at Siam@Siam for a week in late January and didn't see any bad behaviour by other guests regardless of their nationalities; but have witnessed Chinese nationals jumping the queues at airports. 

[Danolo]

On 6/27/2018 at 19:24, George1234 said:

didn’t witness any. Maybe some xenophilic expats who live in Pattaya and experience all nationalities every day of the year can offer an objective analysis.

George.... xenophilic???? really????

Thanks for helping me increase my vocabulary. 

 

[barky bark]

On 6/9/2018 at 04:12, 17hrs2freedom said:

Getting off the lift was always a challenge- they will swarm the elevator before you can even exit and absolutely skip the que and cut you off. We all know this, but this shit just wore me thin after a few days.

I get to relieve my glory days!  Seriously though I am built like a full back and will push the whole pile if they dont let me out!