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The UK has announced it is following the USA's lead and banning all electronics larger than phones on flights from several countries.

It's still unclear when the ban starts and exactly which countries are involved. I have seen Jordan & Qatar mentioned which are both used by BM's to/from Thailand. I doubt many fly via Saudi or African countries!

As some types of battery are banned from checked baggage it's not clear how this will pan out or how long it will go on for.

It could be fairly chaotic at transfers as I can't see Thai airports stopping items on the first flight so passengers could arrive in Qatar or Amman and find things taken off them when their suitcases are already on the plane.

"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."

 

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39343971

 

Emirates & Etihad also included, as well as Turkish and some others.

Going to be a pain if this continues for some time or is extended to other airlines.

Baggage handlers will have a field day nicking stuff!

"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."

 

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Fewer countries on U.K. list:

UK bans laptops in cabin luggage in flights from:
• Turkey
• Lebanon
• Jordan
• Egypt
• Tunisia 
• Saudi Arabia

 

"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."

 

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Last flight earlier this month was with Qatar. Seemed very relaxed no scanner at Doha both coming and going. But yes hopefully things become clearer later.

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Surely this requires a new step of security, right at the gate immediately before entering the plane?

If this policy is to be enforced at the Xray metal-detecting-arch stage of security, it'll be easy to evade since terrorists will work in pairs.  Terrorist #1, who's actually flying to the USA from a banned country, goes through the Xray security post with no electronics in his carry-on bag.  Terrorist #2, who has valid tickets to some other destination at about the same time, goes through the Xray security post five minutes later with hand luggage containing the all-important laptop.  #2 gives the laptop to #1 in the airside lounge some way away from both the Xray security post and their actual gates.  #1 boards USA-bound plane with laptop now in his carry-on bag, and both terrorists fly to their ticketed destinations.  Easy.

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Looks like I will need to go to Kazakhstan later this year, and my best options from LAX were Lufthansa (one stop in Frankfurt) or Turkish (with one stop in Istanbul).

This policy has pretty much cleared that one up for me!

Emirates, Etihad, Qatar and Turkish all have excellent reputations, but there is no way in Hell that I am putting my laptop in a checked bag.  

On the bright side, one of the few major cities with non-stop service to Kazakhstan is Bangkok, so perhaps I will route my trip home so that I can swing by and have some fun!  LOL

 

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59 minutes ago, SirL said:

Surely this requires a new step of security, right at the gate immediately before entering the plane?

If this policy is to be enforced at the Xray metal-detecting-arch stage of security, it'll be easy to evade since terrorists will work in pairs.  Terrorist #1, who's actually flying to the USA from a banned country, goes through the Xray security post with no electronics in his carry-on bag.  Terrorist #2, who has valid tickets to some other destination at about the same time, goes through the Xray security post five minutes later with hand luggage containing the all-important laptop.  #2 gives the laptop to #1 in the airside lounge some way away from both the Xray security post and their actual gates.  #1 boards USA-bound plane with laptop now in his carry-on bag, and both terrorists fly to their ticketed destinations.  Easy.

A good point which does not seemed to have been considered! 

The ban is total bollocks anyway - a few years back a U.K. Paper (The Times I think) ran a feature about a chemist who demonstrated that he could build a bomb powerful enough to bring down a plane using only items that were commonly available airside.

They obviously they didn't go into too much detail but apparently the only limiting factor is the amount of time needed to do it (days apparently) and having a place to work undisturbed. 

 

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One has to ask.... why the fuck, for the last few years, have I and everyone else, had to place our laptops out of their carry bag and into a tray on it's own?  I know it is looking for explosives packed into the body of the machine, but haven't the US and UK just confirmed that it has been a total waste of time, and just another inconvenience to load up on passengers?

Paranoia be thy name.....................

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4 hours ago, footypjman said:

Looks like I will need to go to Kazakhstan later this year, and my best options from LAX were Lufthansa (one stop in Frankfurt) or Turkish (with one stop in Istanbul).

This policy has pretty much cleared that one up for me!

Emirates, Etihad, Qatar and Turkish all have excellent reputations, but there is no way in Hell that I am putting my laptop in a checked bag.  

 

 

Then I guess you cant fly then if you refuse to check the laptop ??  Am guessing the ban will spread quickly worldwide. Will Ipads be covered by insurance in the holds ??

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5 hours ago, footypjman said:

Looks like I will need to go to Kazakhstan later this year, and my best options from LAX were Lufthansa (one stop in Frankfurt) or Turkish (with one stop in Istanbul).

This policy has pretty much cleared that one up for me!

Emirates, Etihad, Qatar and Turkish all have excellent reputations, but there is no way in Hell that I am putting my laptop in a checked bag.  

On the bright side, one of the few major cities with non-stop service to Kazakhstan is Bangkok, so perhaps I will route my trip home so that I can swing by and have some fun!  LOL

As stated in an earlier post from me.  This bad for personal reasons makes me happy... I now have a real excuse to escape and disconnect from work.  In the past I would always work on my flight, but now I can just relax..  I know it sucks for business travel, but you know what... we work so much already, do we really need to work on the plane.

 

I also get that some people watch their own movies and shows from Itunes etc, so i can see how that is a bummer.. I really don't watch TV when home so I usually am very entertaining catching up on months and months worth of movies during the flight

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14 hours ago, davidge said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39343971

 

Emirates & Etihad also included, as well as Turkish and some others.

Going to be a pain if this continues for some time or is extended to other airlines.

Baggage handlers will have a field day nicking stuff!

Emirates and Etihad are based in the UAE that is where their hubs are so travel from UK to Thailand is Not affected the press everywhere  has a moto "Do not let the truth get in the way of a good story" the information for which countries are affected is on both the UK transport & FCO official sites. If you are flying Qatar they are also not affected.

Turkish a popular one is, this is probably because of tensions between Dutch German & Turkish governments.

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Looks like I'm going to have to read kindle on my phone now or go back to those old fashioned paper things [emoji52]


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3 hours ago, mbamber said:

Emirates and Etihad are based in the UAE that is where their hubs are so travel from UK to Thailand is Not affected the press everywhere  has a moto "Do not let the truth get in the way of a good story" the information for which countries are affected is on both the UK transport & FCO official sites. If you are flying Qatar they are also not affected.

Turkish a popular one is, this is probably because of tensions between Dutch German & Turkish governments.

They were included in the USA list - which is what the link in my first post was about. The initial reports were of the UK implementing the same ban.

Later reports said there were fewer countries on the UK list, as I said in my second post immediately after the first one.

However, you conveniently ignored that post so you could play your usual game of criticising other BM's and trying to score cheap points.

"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."

 

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1 hour ago, davidge said:

They were included in the USA list - which is what the link in my first post was about. The initial reports were of the UK implementing the same ban.

Later reports said there were fewer countries on the UK list, as I said in my second post immediately after the first one.

However, you conveniently ignored that post so you could play your usual game of criticising other BM's and trying to score cheap points.

What I was pointing out was there is various papers reporting various bits of information about the UK ban which is false information if people go to the UK government websites  on Transport Dept & Foreign & Commenweath Office they can see the truth I am sorry if this information offends you.

Your Second post does state Emirates & Etihad are affected. Some people maybe unaware which countries the hubs are in.

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I don't like Emirates & Etihad anyway but unfortunately this will bump up the price of the other airlines.

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22 minutes ago, tinkytaylor said:

I don't like Emirates & Etihad anyway but unfortunately this will bump up the price of the other airlines.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/additional-hand-luggage-restrictions-on-some-flights-to-the-uk  

This is the official press report Emirates Etihad & Qatar Airlines are not affected. Only certain Asian European & African Airports are affected.

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23 minutes ago, mbamber said:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/additional-hand-luggage-restrictions-on-some-flights-to-the-uk  

This is the official press report Emirates Etihad & Qatar Airlines are not affected. Only certain Asian European & African Airports are affected.

Yes correct. Emirates, Etihad & Qatar are in the USA ban but not the UK. I tried to clarify that earlier but I've probably just added to the confusion. (just realised there are multiple threads on this - that's probably why)

Prices for other ones will go up because connecting flights will become busier and because of confusion.

Qatar is great btw. Shame. That's the only one I would really fly to SE Asia.

EasyJet will be putting the ban in place on Friday. Officially the ban starts Saturday. This is for UK bound flights only.

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From the 'horses mouth' at Etihad

 

They are only affected to USA

 

& NOT to the UK

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6 minutes ago, tinkytaylor said:

Yes correct. Emirates, Etihad & Qatar are in the USA ban but not the UK. I tried to clarify that earlier but I've probably just added to the confusion. (just realised there are multiple threads on this - that's probably why)

Prices for other ones will go up because connecting flights will become busier and because of confusion.

Qatar is great btw. Shame. That's the only one I would really fly to SE Asia.

EasyJet will be putting the ban in place on Friday. Officially the ban starts Saturday. This is for UK bound flights only.

Yes 2 threads on it and people are getting confused does not help when papers are not checking on the info.Not flown with Qatar do like Emirates from Manchester good flight times for me.

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There are only two types of people in the world, those who can extrapolate from incomplete data......

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I read where the recent commando raid, where the seal got killed, found evidence they are making bombs the size of laptop batteries that you cant tell.   I would rater be without my computer, not matter how inconvenient, than diving towards the ocean, cant imagine how much that would suck.

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I hope this post helps people who are confused. This includes new news about laptop storage on certain airlines.

The ban is now in effect until further notice:

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Flying to and from USA

Turkey, Morocco, Jordan, Egypt, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait

This includes if you connect via these countries - e.g. Fly Emirates from India to New York via Dubai

However, UAE airline Emirates and Turkish Airlines are offering complimentary packing and shipping services at boarding gates to enable passengers to use their electronic devices after check-in and until boarding. This also means passengers flying on two-leg trips from other countries to the US through Dubai/Instanbul or to the UK through Istanbul can use their laptops on the first leg of their flights.

The US ban applies to any device larger than a smartphone. Ambigious but large smartphones should be ok.

The airports affected are (main carrier in brackets):

  • Queen Alia International, Amman, Jordan (Royal Jordanian)
  • Cairo International Airport, Egypt (EgyptAir)
  • Ataturk Airport, Istanbul, Turkey (Turkish Airlines)
  • King Abdulaziz International, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia (Saudi Arabian Airlines)
  • King Khalid International, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia (Saudi Arabian Airlines)
  • Kuwait International Airport (Kuwait Airlines)
  • Mohammed V International, Casablanca, Morocco (Royal Air Maroc)
  • Hamad International, Doha, Qatar (Qatar Airways)
  • Dubai International, United Arab Emirates (Etihad Airways)
  • Abu Dhabi International, United Arab Emirates (Emirates)

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Flying to and from the UK

Egypt, Turkey, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Tunisia and Lebanon.

The British ban applies to any device, including smartphones, larger than 16cm (6.3in) long, 9.3cm (3.7in) wide or 1.5cm (0.6in) deep. However, most phones will be smaller than the limit.

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Be aware that Nintendo's Switch which has been recently heavily advertised for use on a plane is too big for both US and British banned devices.

Necessary medical devices are exempt but need to be screened

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Just to confirm I landed in Manchester from Bangkok with Emirates I had no problems with my electronic devices on the 1st April. as I have stated earlier, so do not trust earlier posts stating otherwise.

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29 minutes ago, mbamber said:

Just to confirm I landed in Manchester from Bangkok with Emirates I had no problems with my electronic devices on the 1st April. as I have stated earlier, so do not trust earlier posts stating otherwise.

That's because Dubai to Manchester isn't on the UK ban list - Emirates for UK is 100% fine!

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I was reading and seeing pics of what these laptop bombs can do, they tried it on an old airplane, it blew a hole big enough for you to walk through.  I

I hate all teh security but cant imagine being on a plane that is only blown up a bit, so it will crash and all the way down I would be thinking, maybe they should have checked better. Horrid way to go

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