Board Members over age 50: When was your last Colonoscopy?

[tt2008]

Alternative is non-invasive MRI scan.

 

Personally I prefer the tender inspection by a TG.

[6853395]

asked him if he could use two fingers instead of one.

When the Doctor asked why, he said it was because he wanted a second opinion.

 

Appropriate avatar image.

[Whalley]

Sounds a bit unbelievable - that a test for colon cancer would result in about 2 deaths per 1000 tests. No one would choose to have the test surely ?

Have I misunderstood ?

No misunderstanding.

 

A colonoscopy is not something you do just as a screening test like the OP suggests.

 

I had to have a colonoscopy due to symptoms requiring one. My doctor warned me of the high complication rate and risk of death.

 

The death rate is high but closer to 1 in 1000 according to my doctor.

 

 

 

http://www.asge.org/assets/0/71542/71544/56321364-c4d8-4742-8158-55b6bef2a568.pdf

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Whalley]

For those board members over age 50, when was your last colonoscopy?

 

And if so, based upon the first one, and the results of the test, what was advised for your subsequent? One year, three years, more than five years, etc.?

 

You really need a new doctor!

 

On another thread you were pushing board members to get a useless vaccine, against the advice of the vaccine manufacturer and the American Cancer Society, based on your quack doctor.

http://www.pattaya-addicts.com/forum/topic/305686-oral-cancer-is-on-the-rise-because-you-eat-pussy/page-3#entry3822189

 

Now you're pushing for a dangerous and unnecessary invasive procedure that might kill you.

 

If every BM took your misguided advise, based on the stats, more than 100 Board Members would die from this unnecessary and invasive procedure.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Skalliwag]

You really need a new doctor!

On another thread you were pushing board members to get a useless vaccine, against the advice of the vaccine manufacturer and the American Cancer Society, based on your quack doctor.http://www.pattaya-addicts.com/forum/topic/305686-oral-cancer-is-on-the-rise-because-you-eat-pussy/page-3#entry3822189

Now you're pushing for a dangerous and unnecessary invasive procedure that might kill you.

If every BM took your misguided advise, based on the stats, more than 100 Board Members would die from this invasive procedure.

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I'm seeing my Doctor on Tuesday,will definately be asking the question.

She ain't no quack.

Scottish lady that says fuck.

I like her a lot.No bullshit this one.

[Whalley]

I'm seeing my Doctor on Tuesday,will definately be asking the question.

She ain't no quack.

Scottish lady that says fuck.

I like her a lot.No bullshit this one.

She will most likely recommend the normal noninvasive colon cancer screening. A simple test for blood in your stool.

[6853395]

On another thread you were pushing board members to get a useless vaccine

 

Now you're pushing for a dangerous and unnecessary invasive procedure that might kill you.

 

Walley, you are troll.  You were trolling me in the another thread regarding the HPV vaccination, and now you're trolling me here.

 

A colonoscopy is not something you do just as a screening test like the OP suggests.

 

No Walley, I, the OP, have not suggested that.  Again, this is a matter between patient and doctor.  Also I mentioned previously that there is a much information and research on the topic of colonoscopy vs. stool test, but I specifically refrained from posting such links (as you have and continued to do) as that is not the intention here and distracts from the discussion when I stated "There are many articles with respect to the subject of colonoscopy vs stool test..." as pointing to selective articles is debating this matter which was by no means the intention of this topic.

 

I made the following statement on Page 1 of this thread, and this certainly applicable to you:

 

> as I state with everything medically or science related on this board, one should primarily go with their trusted primary physician over the internet or PA board members.

 

You are not a licensed medical practitioner.  You are using the internet in an attempt to practice medicine.  Sorry, but becoming a licensed medical practitioner isn't that simple.  I have emphasized, and reemphasized, that when it comes to anything medically or science related on this board, one should primarily go with their trusted primary physician over the internet or PA board members.  Fortunately, most of the board members on this thread (and no, you don't need to post a screenshot in an attempt to depict the number of active or inactive members) are intelligent enough to read and decide for themselves the intent of the discussion on these matters, including the silent viewers who elect to abstain from taking the time to dialogue in such senseless debates.   It is a false allegation, as well as a personal attack, to proclaim that I am "pushing for a dangerous and unnecessary invasive procedure that might kill you.".  That is utter nonsense, and whether the procedure is either a colonoscopy or a stool test is between patient and doctor, and for neither you, nor me, to decide.  It is you who is being misleading here, and you have been arguing generalizations without taking into account for special and unique individual circumstances (i.e. the age matter generally recommended vs. unique circumstances for older men who engage in higher risk behavior on a case-by-case basis).  You are muddying the waters and appear more focused upon confrontation than anything else.

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[Whalley]

Walley, you are troll. You were trolling me in the another thread regarding the HPV vaccination, and now you're trolling me here.

 

 

Sorry if you see it that way.

 

What you post is a great dis-service to Board Members who could be seriously harmed by the medical nonsense you continually post.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[6853395]

What you post is a great dis-service to Board Members who could be seriously harmed by the medical nonsense you continually post.

 

This is not at all true.  I am not instructing anyone what to do, I am not harming anyone, and I have always, without exception, stated that any such matters are between doctor and patient.  This was a healthy and cordial dialogue here until you came along.

 

Nobody can get anything done whether it's a vaccination, colonoscopy, blood test, stool test, etc., without going through their own individual licensed medical practitioner;  a practitioner who's presumably qualified, and faces professional, legal, and ethical matters when performing such medical procedures.  It is preposterous to insinuate that anyone here is going to get a colonoscopy based on anything other than their doctor.

 

These are direct personal attacks and I've reported this to the mods.

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[Whalley]

These are direct personal attacks and I've reported this to the mods.

Again, sorry if you see it that way.

 

It's the information you post and not you that I have serious issue with.

[6853395]

Again, sorry if you see it that way.

 

It's the information you post and not you that I have serious issue with.

 

It's not the way I see it.  You are trolling and conducting personal attacks, and these are reportable matters.

 

If you have issues, or more appropriately, disagree or have a different opinion, that does not justify such conduct.

 

If you have issues with colonoscopy vs stool tests, blood tests, etc., that's an issue you should take up with the healthcare industry, the WCO, the AMA, or the medical professionals. 

 

As BM Harry Brown cited on Page 1 with regards to risk, it noted the following:

 

The rate of complications varies with the practitioner and institution performing the procedure, as well as a function of other variables.

 

You have called my doctor(s) quack(s).  You are neither smarter nor more knowledgeable than my Board Certified licensed specialists.  I am likley among the healthiest and wealthiest on this board, I have high end medical care, and if you're in a city such as San Francisco or Manhattan, NYC, you're not dealing with quacks, and more likely the most renown professionals in these areas.  If there are issues or concerns with the "dangers" of colonoscopy, or any other treatment, for that matter, that's something I'll discuss with the doctors, and yes, complications are less likely based upon the practitioner and institution performing the procedure.  I have an excellent top of the line PPO, not only for medical care, but dental and LTC as well, and I thoroughly research the health professionals I choose.  I know many doctors and I'm aware of the institutions (Stanford, CPMC, UCSF, NYU, etc.) and when a doctor assists me in choosing a specialist, I take the information and reasoning seriously.  My doctors are by no means "quacks" as you proclaim, and it arrogant to claim they're either wrong or incompetent based upon the information you obtain from the internet or talking to your practitioner about what's best for you.  This thread is about colon cancer prevention, the topic was inquiring about who's had a colonoscopy, and whether or not their appropriate was fully covered by my firm of statements of between doctor and patient.

 

In the HPV vaccine, it was cited by others that only downside of getting the HPV vaccine was cost.  It was noted, correctly, that if anyone already has the HPV strain, which can take up ~10 years to be diagnosed (as said by others, not me) that the HPV vaccine will not be cure;  this too was correct.  In the Oral Cancer thread it was correctly noted whether one already has HPV is an unknown;  it was correctly noted that if A) someone already has the strain that the vaccine would be ineffective, and B) if the subject didn't have the strain, it could potentially prevent oral cancer.   Furthermore, you repeatedly stated "it's a waste of $500", which in my opinion, heavily weighting cost, especially such a small amount of money, is not an intelligent way to base such a decision.  First off, my three shots were 100% covered by insurance, and even if it isn't for others, most Americans have an FSA, which reduces the out-of-pocket cost by approximately half.

 

You also mischaracterized the age recommendations as discussed in that thread pertaining to special cases.  While it is true, statistically, that men over of 50 are less likely to be in need of such.  However, men over 50 who also engage in frequent occurrences in oral sex (not withstanding the very small part of the population that travels to destinations such as Pattaya) are an outlying factor from the general sample.  I clearly indicated in the thread the my doctor initially recommended against the vaccine.  However, when I was honest and straightforward about my unique case, we then, after taking all scientific matters into consideration, got me vaccinated.  I also clearly stated in that thread that that too is on a case-by-case basis based upon individuals, and again, between doctor and patient;  there is absolutely no one-size-fits-all conclusion. 

 

In summary, I got the HPV vaccine because:

 

1) My high risk factor of potential oral sex with multiple partners.

 

2) Whether I already have the strain is an unknown whereby,

 

a) If yes -- will not cure, but no downsides

 

b) If no -- may potentially prevent oral cancer

 

3) No known serious side effects ($500-$600, ~250-$300, or even $0 is neither a side effect nor downside as a practical matter)

 

4) Now that I'm vaccinated, I at least know I have reduced my chances of getting throat cancer.

 

(again, if I don't already have the strain, an unknown)

 

Your continuous argument that because you believed that in your particular case as it applied to you was not practical you main arguments were that one might already have it (even though you stated "probably"), it will not cure the HPV (there was consensus that this was strictly preventative), and there were no serious, or significant downsides noted in that thread other than costs.  Furthermore, there were many that were on the same page.

 

The exact comparisons can be made in this thread regarding this colonoscopy discussion.

 

Please stop trolling, in each the threads.  You're just picking a one-on-one fight with me at this point, as you have in the other thread, and the readers don't need to deal with this.

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[bluechef]

Never had one, I am.57 I think you think too mutt, or maybe enjoy someone playing with your arse,

[6853395]

maybe enjoy someone playing with your arse,

 

The prep isn't pleasant, and this is not a game.

 

I am 57

Never had one

you think too mutt

or maybe enjoy someone playing with your arse,

 

Not a mature 57-year-old.

 

It's the biological age, not the maturity age.

[bluechef]

The prep isn't pleasant, and this is not a game.

 

 

Not a mature 57-year-old.

 

It's the biological age, not the maturity age.

Listen you paranoid arse wipe, I don't need my arse checked, maybe you like it, I have recovered from cancer, belive me having it is not pleasant.

[6853395]

Listen you paranoid arse wipe, I don't need my arse checked, maybe you like it,

 

I have recovered from cancer, belive me having it is not pleasant.

 

I'm sorry to hear you had cancer. 

 

Was it colon cancer you had? 

 

If it was some other form of cancer, independent and mutually exclusive from colon cancer, and considering the unpleasant experience, I would assume you might appreciate knowledge on cancer prevention.

 

Just to be clear, people do not seek colon cancer prevention because of paranoia, because they enjoy anal play, and the colon and the "arse" are two different things.  A board member on Page 1 indicated he had a friend die of colon cancer and that he's seriously looking into such prevention measures.

[bluechef]

I'm sorry to hear you had cancer. 

 

Was it colon cancer you had? 

 

If it was some other form of cancer, independent and mutually exclusive from colon cancer, and considering the unpleasant experience, I would assume you might appreciate knowledge on cancer prevention.

 

Just to be clear, people do not seek colon cancer prevention because of paranoia, because they enjoy anal play, and the colon and the "arse" are two different things.  A board member on Page 1 indicated he had a friend die of colon cancer and that he's seriously looking into such prevention measures.

No I had mouth cancer, I had my jaw removed, and 11 teeth, march 2014.nothing to do with hpv, my consultant, who happens to be a main author on the causes , says that hpv is just a smoke screen, it is caused by smoking made worse by alcohol.

[Ackruu123]

Last October. "You have a beautiful colon...See you in ten years." Exact quote from MD.

[Skalliwag]

Last October. "You have a beautiful colon...See you in ten years." Exact quote from MD.

Man,would I like to be flattered like that.

[Billsan55]

Does BF'ing a ladyboy count??

 

Sorry, I couldn't resist.......I know this is a serious topic

 

I had my first colonoscopy at 57. They found pre cancerous polyps and told me to come back in 5 years. I've had so many friends with colon cancer that I don't want to go through what they did.

 

Some people have to really work hard to die :(

[bgtp]

Folks can do what they want. But since the OP asked, I'm 57 and had my first colonoscopy seven months ago. No polyps, recommendation was to have another in ten years. Honestly, the prep and procedure weren't that bad. The eating restrictions the day before (only clear liquids) was the biggest hassle. Up to you ...

[sneradog]

It is interesting that on this issue, there is a discrepancy between the Canadian Cancer Society and the American Cancer Society in the colon cancer screening guidelines.

As was mentioned above, for people without risk factors, the Canadians recommend the stool test and not a colonoscopy. The Americans recommend either a colonoscopy (or a different -scopy) OR a stool test

 

http://www.cancer.org/healthy/findcancerearly/cancerscreeningguidelines/american-cancer-society-guidelines-for-the-early-detection-of-cancer

 

I am not 50 yet, but I think I will pick the stool test when the time comes. I do NOT enjoy having objects stuck up my rectum,

[Billsan55]

I had very big worries about the colonoscopy before I had it done.........the prep work needed to get cleaned out and the actual procedure itself. In actual fact it wasn't a big deal at all, unpleasant.....yes.

 

Now some might say there was a reason why it wasn't a problem for me but I can assure you that I still consider my ass hole to be a one way check valve......exit only!

 

I have to believe that the treatment for colon cancer is far worse than a colonoscopy

[Billsan55]

Besides, a stool sample is just going to be able to detect for blood......maybe too late then.

[ricktoronto]

For those board members over age 50, when was your last colonoscopy?

 

And if so, based upon the first one, and the results of the test, what was advised for your subsequent?  One year, three years, more than five years, etc.?

At age 50 and if no polyps or worse every 10 years or if symptoms arise before that.

[ricktoronto]

My doctor is recommending me to have one at 41 due to family history. But also advised it is a serious decision as 1-3 deaths per thousand result from complications having the procedure. Still weighing up the positives and negatives.

Utter nonsense. Really don't discourage non-mentals over 50 with such silly claims.

 

In a 2008 systematic review of 12 studies totaling 57,742 colonoscopies performed for average risk screening, the pooled overall serious adverse event rate was 2.8 per 1000 procedures.3 The risk of some complications may be higher if the colonoscopy is performed for an indication other than screening.

 

Adverse event does not equal 3 in 1000 dead like a mackerel.