Eating Healthily and Realistically - Your Recommendations

[socrates]

There are a number of threads about - eating protein, not eating carbs, not eating this - eating that etc etc etc

 

However - where do people who are here on holiday eat out and still eat healthily (semi healthily)

 

I do not want to cook in my room - I am on holiday - here are a few of my suggestions -

 

Malamute Coffee Shop - next to Pattaya Memorial - Frozen Fruit Bowl - basically its a fruit smoothie with granola and bananas - plus several other options - this is my breakfast option 150 baht

 

Miyazaki Teppanyaki - 6th Floor Central Festival - freshly grilled meats, miso soup, steamed rice and vegetables set meal under 200 baht

 

Pattaya Meals - delivery service found on Facebook - my favourite is Blackened Chicken - with brown rice containing- peas and currants - a spoonful of guacamole - I add vegetables - 200 baht - very very reliable delivery service with no tips expected

 

S&P - 5th floor Central Festival - they have a spicy grilled chicken dish with rice and veg - expensive at 320 baht

 

Sizzler - lunch special includes the salad buffet - excellent value for money

 

Late night - New York Diner has several options - including salads and soups - reasonable prices for location and quality

 

Please add your suggestions of places to eat - not WHAT to eat or not to eat

 

 

[rollingstonedan]

After a review from Justhanging I went to a place called Wooden Box on Thappraya rd. They do some really good salads. You can build your own. There's some nice food on the menu. I'll be heading back next time.

 

The Coffee Club also do some good food, but at a price.

 

 

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[badboybilly]

I do like SUBWAY in Soi Bukhao .

Healthy salad rolls

[bigbill340]

Laamok is the man to ask!

 

He seems to know where all the healthy places are these days! Oh how a couple of years changes a man! 555

 

 

 

Bill

[Chubzilla]

MClean food is very healthy, and pretty tasty. Lots of protein, low on the carbs. The Thai Peppered with Chicken is my favourite, but I have never had any of the salmon meals. 

 

75 baht for the chicken ones, great value. Only available at Universe Gym, but seems they now do delivery. 

 

Search MClean Food on Facebook if interested, I usually take a few packs home and put them in the fridge, heat up in the microwave when needed. So easy. 

 

[socrates]

I see the word fried in almost all their dishes

[Dr.Winston]

My beliefs about health and nutrition definitely run against the grain...in more ways than one. Recently I've been trying to avoid unsaturated fats, the ones our governments and the food industry have been trying to tell us are 'essential'. I've been trying to keep a steady uptake of unoxidised cholesterol and increase my sugar, particularly fruit sugar intake and drink plenty of milk and have some concentrated chicken broth (Brand, Scotch) every day.

 

Read some of the articles on www.raypeat.com if you have an open mind.

[Soda11111]

I'm trying to find more variety.  I enjoy Sizzler salad bar.  Can anyone suggest another salad bar option which is excellent in the Central Pattaya area? I need more variety of choices for healthy eats.

[geezerrb]

I have probably eat a lot of the "wrong foods" in my 60+ years and I will continue whatever the cost health wise. The one thing I am sceptical about is salads or uncooked food, even eating in what appears to be a top class service restaurant I am suspicious.

This was highlighted when due to unforeseen circumstances I stayed for a couple of days in a guesthouse that was behind a very prestigious restaurant well used by both Thai and Falang and the prices were not "budget". My room overlooked the rear of the restaurant, some of the food prep was "open air", the salad was washed using a tap hose, and seafood was dried on wood tables in the sunlight, the people preparing the food were not the smartly dressed waiting staff or uniformed cooking staff they resembled some of the street beggars you often come across. Even recently I have witnessed in a very popular bar, the "chef" leaving the pool table and with some view of the "kitchen" immediately handling food without washing hands. I worked in "catering" for 14 years and have seen many things but it is a lottery thank goodness for Loperamide Hydrochloride.

[billbill]

I lost 8 pounds on my one month long trip to Thailand this summer. Ate beef salami about two ounces in the morning, followed by some eggs, then ate a Thai dish of rice,  chicken or catfish with different sauces for lunch, some leafy green stuff that was delicious, and a bit of larb moo at a Thai stand for around 70 baht each time on soi 13/4 in Pattaya, and for dinner would eat a thai restaurant of some sort.... fish, rice, noodle soup... the main thing was that I ate about 70% Thai food the whole time, vegetables and snacks as well.... walked a ton.. as well... I felt absolutely better than eating the Western shit that I have been eating since I got back... eat like a Thai and watch the weight fall off... also I did not drink one bit of alcohol and drank close to ten plastic bottles of water a day... had only about 15 sodas the whole month... good luck

[Soda11111]

I have probably eat a lot of the "wrong foods" in my 60+ years and I will continue whatever the cost health wise. The one thing I am sceptical about is salads or uncooked food, even eating in what appears to be a top class service restaurant I am suspicious.

This was highlighted when due to unforeseen circumstances I stayed for a couple of days in a guesthouse that was behind a very prestigious restaurant well used by both Thai and Falang and the prices were not "budget". My room overlooked the rear of the restaurant, some of the food prep was "open air", the salad was washed using a tap hose, and seafood was dried on wood tables in the sunlight, the people preparing the food were not the smartly dressed waiting staff or uniformed cooking staff they resembled some of the street beggars you often come across. Even recently I have witnessed in a very popular bar, the "chef" leaving the pool table and with some view of the "kitchen" immediately handling food without washing hands. I worked in "catering" for 14 years and have seen many things but it is a lottery thank goodness for Loperamide Hydrochloride.

 

point noted! thanks for contributing. since I'm here until April I'm thinking i better prepare lots of my own foods in my condo and minimize outside consumption. dummy me never considered what happens behind close doors in a third world environment. if you can't see them prepping and preparing foods best beware.

[badboybilly]

If you wanted to eat healthy on your holiday then you can buy tuna tins, yoghurts etc from the supermarkets.

 

Many a time i have gone to the supermarket in Pattaya bought a can of tuna, tomatoes, lettuce and bread and made my own sandwiches.

Obviously you need a fridge and some cutlery to do that , i usually bring knive and forks, spoons, platic plate with me anyway.

Im not fussed on Sizzler restaurants, the majority which closed in Australia due to a food poisining episode( eg food not covered)

 

Thats why i never buy those bread rolls, cakes in Tops supermarket that are uncovered !!!

[Scuba+]

I eat mainly street food, and often get them to hold back on salt and sugar.

[Soda11111]

Today I went to Central Festival grocery store in the basement.  I bought bread from the bakery, they slice it.  I bought canned tuna, jar of mayo, and a cut up roasted chicken.  I prepared a chicken sandwich and I have to say it was very tasty, much recommended.  The prices were good too.

[taylor1975]

At home, in the UK i eat 5 eggs a day. I shall be doing the same on my next trip.

 

I think big C has a box of 10 eggs for about 55b. I also liked their cooked meats too.

 

 

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[JamesFerris]

My beliefs about health and nutrition definitely run against the grain...in more ways than one. Recently I've been trying to avoid unsaturated fats, the ones our governments and the food industry have been trying to tell us are 'essential'. I've been trying to keep a steady uptake of unoxidised cholesterol and increase my sugar, particularly fruit sugar intake and drink plenty of milk and have some concentrated chicken broth (Brand, Scotch) every day.

 

Read some of the articles on www.raypeat.com if you have an open mind.

 

There are definite issues with mono and polyunsaturated fats, and there is debate about their health effects vs. saturated.  That being said, unless this person you speak of is using "essential" outside of the standard definition, a lack of the essential fatty acids will kill you dead.  That's why they're essential - the body cannot produce them itself in sufficient amounts to sustain life, and much like the vitamins an minerals, a deficiency of any one will eventually lead you to disease in death.

 

Nothing wrong with ingesting cholesterol - it doesn't raise your blood cholesterol, and in fact is a needed part of every cell membrane.  With respecting to upping your intake of fructose, that's up to you - do be aware that it's metabolized into fat however.  

 

If you're lifting weights and living a healthy lifestyle, you can pretty much get away with any of these fad diets, so long as you're ingesting "whole" foods - fruits, lean meats and dairy, whole grains, etc.  I would say however that there is plenty of research behind most western government food recommendations, and one should be careful with what they read on the internet.

 

Happy trails ^_^

[Soda11111]

still in search for a good alternative to Sizzler salad bar, I'm not inclined to go to the basement in Central Festival grocery and buy their salad bar stuff by the ounce or get the bagged salad they sell in the refer. damn I'm lazy. From reading the posts here it seems Sizzler is the best choice , the only alternative is traveling to Jomtien's Wooden Box Restaurant?

[Dr.Winston]

There are definite issues with mono and polyunsaturated fats, and there is debate about their health effects vs. saturated. That being said, unless this person you speak of is using "essential" outside of the standard definition, a lack of the essential fatty acids will kill you dead. That's why they're essential - the body cannot produce them itself in sufficient amounts to sustain life, and much like the vitamins an minerals, a deficiency of any one will eventually lead you to disease in death.

 

Nothing wrong with ingesting cholesterol - it doesn't raise your blood cholesterol, and in fact is a needed part of every cell membrane. With respecting to upping your intake of fructose, that's up to you - do be aware that it's metabolized into fat however.

 

If you're lifting weights and living a healthy lifestyle, you can pretty much get away with any of these fad diets, so long as you're ingesting "whole" foods - fruits, lean meats and dairy, whole grains, etc. I would say however that there is plenty of research behind most western government food recommendations, and one should be careful with what they read on the internet.

 

Happy trails ^_^

I totally agree on the cholesterol, I make sure I have at least two eggs a day and maybe a portion of liver a week.

 

What Ray Peat claims is that the food industry has created a culture in which these "essential fatty acids" are promoted in unhealthy quantities. He says the actual physical requirement of them is so low that it would be virtually impossible to get too little of them and very easy to take too much. He thinks the fish oil industry is a very dangerous offshoot of all this http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/fishoil.shtml Indeed be careful of what you read, so much of it is food and pharmaceutical industry promoted rubbish.

[badboybilly]

Its fantastic your all eating good....but I know of the healthiest peolple who couldnt beat Cancer.

[Scuba+]

Its fantastic your all eating good....but I know of the healthiest peolple who couldnt beat Cancer.

Eating generally healthy and not being a bloater reduces chances of cancer i think.

[badboybilly]

Eating generally healthy and not being a bloater reduces chances of cancer i think.

mmmmm... Maybe ... But then again i have never seen a fat person with Cancer.

[JamesFerris]

I totally agree on the cholesterol, I make sure I have at least two eggs a day and maybe a portion of liver a week.

 

What Ray Peat claims is that the food industry has created a culture in which these "essential fatty acids" are promoted in unhealthy quantities. He says the actual physical requirement of them is so low that it would be virtually impossible to get too little of them and very easy to take too much. He thinks the fish oil industry is a very dangerous offshoot of all this http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/fishoil.shtml Indeed be careful of what you read, so much of it is food and pharmaceutical industry promoted rubbish.

 

I've been reading this guy's page, and the link you posted..

 

He postulates many evidence based ideas, but then tries to extrapolate conclusions from them that aren't based in the research he's citing.  The original "essential fatty acids" as he notes were (and ARE!) linoleic, (alpha) linolenic, and arachidonic acids (the 20 carbon used to then make DHA and EPA downstream).  But then he seems to infer that that these last 2 are being pushed without evidence whereas that's simply not the case.

 

DHA and EPA are promoted for infants because they are highly present in breastmilk and are critical to brain and nervous system development - and breast milk is still (and i would argue correctly) identified as the "gold standard" for infant nutrition.  Much evidence and (arguably) common sense back this up.  He speaks of ADULT metabolism and makes very good points as to why ADULTS don't need the stuff - but then sets up a straw man saying that it's being pushed for adults.  It's not - not in the mainstream literature.  It's pushed for babies, because if they're not getting breastfed (an unfortunate number of children are not), they need it- and they need it badly.  He quotes animal studies but we all know they don't always hold up metabolically in humans (see vitamin C or countless other examples.)  Data on babies is extremely lacking because we cannot do randomized, double blinded controlled trials on babies for something that might hurt them - at least, not in the civilized world.

 

The effects of OMEGA 3 FATTY ACIDS on "downstream" effects causing inflammation or not are well documented, and all researchers are required to report conflicts of interest in their research.  They can lie of course, and then when they are inevitably discovered, their body of work is tainted and they're never quite trusted again.  

 

I'm not aware of fish oil being so heavily promoted vs. other sources of omega-3...

 

That site and its information are evidence based and the man clearly as an excellent background in the field.  But I can't sign onto many of the more questionable things he's putting forth.

That site should serve as a SINGLE valid and well written source - to be considered along with the larger body of mainstream literature.  From having read through under 10 of the articles posted, he seems to consistently cite very good evidence and data - and then jump just a bit too far in trying to determine causal relationships or conclusions.

 

Again, if you're not eating processed crap and you're having a wide variety of real, whole foods (meat, dairy, fruits & veg, whole grains, etc) and engaging in a proper physical fitness regimen, a lot of this falls by the wayside.  It's really only important if one is trying to manage disease or lose weight or something.

 

Interesting site though, and hey, I can't say I don't tenuously believe some "radical" scientists myself - I still believe that Linus Pauling's data on Vitamin C is underutilized with its research never properly replicated.. most in the mainstream would say the man was discredited.

 

Interesting site.  I look forward to reading more of it - thanks for bringing it to my attention 

[Soda11111]

Its fantastic your all eating good....but I know of the healthiest peolple who couldnt beat Cancer.

That's not a fair assessment imo. I'd much rather strive towards being healthy than not care about myself and be unhealthy.

[riccy]

humans have a broken gulo-gene..  this is why we can't sythesize vitamine C in our own bodies anymore..  like predatory animals still can do,

for example..   a cat can make up to 15 grams of vitamine C in it's own body..  can eat rotting flesh and never get sick ..

we need to eat enough vitamine C daily to stay healthy..   so, i'd take 3 grams of liposomal vitamine C a day ..  regardless of food..

 

on topic :       big street food place on second road, next to 'sabai room' / sabai resort opposite soi 4

                      fresh and healthy food,  i always take something 'kai'  chicken..  good smoothie's too..

[jed§]

The Loaf on Soi Lengkee does a nice, lean, fry up breakfast and the coffee's v. good - it's not cheap though - but I love it when they say, "We loaf you"

I eat the fresh fruit sold on the beach in the day and go to Pitini, Soi Bukkao for my dinner/evening meal, mainly. I do vary it though and need to eat a lot of meat because I go the gym and feel under the weather unless I take in enough protein. I do like adding one or two 'street' snacks/meals every day. I believe that this freshly cooked food is an acceptable healthy option. I'm wary of the salads served in cafe's and restaurants or hotels because of the water they might have been washed in and the amount of time they've been standing around. I can't prove it of course but whenever I've had an upset stomach I'm sure it's because I've eaten a salad. I agree with a previous poster's perception of the Thai's concern for hygiene. They don't seem to really have any. I've been with a family and eaten rice in the open which had had flies landing on it when they was a rubbish heap about 10 ft away. Daft, but I took a chance to be polite.