I Have Fibromyalgia

[legend35]

Hi All ...I have Fibromyalgia ...Has anyone got this illness ? ...How do you get on in thialand ?  Does the massage parlours help which one in bangkok all pattaya do you recommend ?  Thanks in advance...

[dannyboysyd]

You should be ok travelling, go for a gentle oil massage once or twice per day, even try some acupuncture while your there, swimming in the salt water in the ocean is also good for relieving muscle pain. I have CFS which is similar and really find acupuncture helpful, other things that help overcome this condition are meditation and restortive exercise e.g, yoga and tai chi..  

[legend35]

Ok thanks danny..I have no cure ..Is there a cure for CFS ?

[dannyboysyd]

Loads of people have overcame both of these conditions, its not easy but if you make the right lifestyle changes it can be done... Start by learning to meditate, then look at getting into some very easy Yoga, you can also do a lot of stuff with diet and supplements as well.. First off get yourself some magnesium oil, rub it directly into the muscles, most people are low in Magnesium on a cellular level, it will help a lot with muscle pain and stiffness.. Also look into buying the Frolov breathing device, it retrains your breathing and will increase oxygenation on a cellular level, Ive ordered one myself and it looks very promising, but you have to put the work in twice per day for around 20 mins, most health conditions are related to not getting enough oxygen at a cellular level, this simple breathing device will correct that over time.. But I cannot stress enough how important meditation is and learning to relax deeply, that is where your body heals..

[cooky]

Loads of people have overcame both of these conditions, its not easy but if you make the right lifestyle changes it can be done... Start by learning to meditate, then look at getting into some very easy Yoga, you can also do a lot of stuff with diet and supplements as well.. First off get yourself some magnesium oil, rub it directly into the muscles, most people are low in Magnesium on a cellular level, it will help a lot with muscle pain and stiffness.. Also look into buying the Frolov breathing device, it retrains your breathing and will increase oxygenation on a cellular level, Ive ordered one myself and it looks very promising, but you have to put the work in twice per day for around 20 mins, most health conditions are related to not getting enough oxygen at a cellular level, this simple breathing device will correct that over time.. But I cannot stress enough how important meditation is and learning to relax deeply, that is where your body heals..

Quackary. There is sufficient concentration of oxygen in the blood to oxygenate the tissues unless you have a lung disease of some kind, even then, there is enough.

Now if you want to discuss with me about oxygen at the cellular level, particularly its role as the final electron acceptor in the electron transport chain, then I would love to set you straight. 

[legend35]

Cooky what do you suggest for fibromyaglia ?

[dannyboysyd]

Cooky do a bit of research about the Butyko breathing method, over breathing causes a loss of Co2 which leads too less oxygenation due to hyperventilation, You think because you know a few scientific terms you know what your talking about. How is it through these techniques people can drastically improve there health when all doctors can offer is pills to reduce symptoms.

[dannyboysyd]

Read this Dr Cooky

 

http://www.buteyko.info/sr-basicprinciples.html

[cooky]

Cooky do a bit of research about the Butyko breathing method, over breathing causes a loss of Co2 which leads too less oxygenation due to hyperventilation, You think because you know a few scientific terms you know what your talking about. How is it through these techniques people can drastically improve there health when all doctors can offer is pills to reduce symptoms.

Do a bit of research into blood biochemistry. This stuff is quackary. FYI, I do not believe in pill medicine, but with certain conditions drugs can make a difference, which is why we are living longer. 

Understand a bit about physiology and then make a judgement call. There are plenty of wackos out there who are qualified doctors who can preach shite. Take eg any doctor who actually believes in the god thing. how fucked up could they be wrt belief vs medicine? 

Common sense is the bottom line but it is not so common, especially amongst those who can't fit in with society.

[dannyboysyd]

Sorry mate but I'll take 50 plus years of research from russian and soviet scientists over some wanker in a Pattaya forum..

[cooky]

Sorry mate but I'll take 50 plus years of research from russian and soviet scientists over some wanker in a Pattaya forum..

Yes, Russian and Soviet scientists,says it all! Why isn't it mainstream then? Because it's bollocks and thanks for calling me a wanker.

 

BTW,I can't see the relevance of the article. You really should learn some basic cellular biochemistry before you abuse people and promote quackery.

[cooky]

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/buteyko-breathing-technique-nothing-to-hyperventilate-about/

 

This article exposes buteyko as a complete load of shite. It also references studies in reputable journals showing it is shite. Over to you.

[cooky]

Legend.

 

Try this article from the medical journal Anals of the rheumatic diseases. It is evidence based and peer reviewed. I hope the link works as I am accessing it through the medical library.

http://ard.bmj.com.www.ezpdhcs.nt.gov.au/content/67/4/536.full?sid=259b2fdf-30c7-464e-a6a7-c9ee332a2205

 

No it won't work. I'll cut and paste it and send it home and post when I finish work

[tourasia]

Yes, Russian and Soviet scientists,says it all! Why isn't it mainstream then? Because it's bollocks and thanks for calling me a wanker.

 

BTW,I can't see the relevance of the article. You really should learn some basic cellular biochemistry before you abuse people and promote quackery.

I am sure he meant Dr, Wanker 

[dannyboysyd]

Don't bother, I could care less about mainstream medical journals, buteyko breathing has been healing people for a long time yet Dr's refuse to acknowledge its benefits. There have been loads of clinical trials conducted on Buteyko and it's amazing healing effects..

[Judge Dredd]

My mother has fibromyalgia and her way of dealing with it is her state of mind. In her words, "I have to fight this bastard everyday sometimes it gets a draw but most times I win, I won't let this bastard beat me"

 

She is 67 still works 2 days a week and has a very full life

[cooky]

Don't bother, I could care less about mainstream medical journals, buteyko breathing has been healing people for a long time yet Dr's refuse to acknowledge its benefits. There have been loads of clinical trials conducted on Buteyko and it's amazing healing effects..

Yeah, just ignore evidence and scientific trials in favour of what you believe. Maybe the refusal to acknowledge it's benefits comesfrom the fact that there is no evidence that it works. Funny that professionals trust what can be proved rather than some load of bollocks that can't. I bet you believe in God,Santa and the Easter bunny.

[dannyboysyd]

It's also funny how you ignore 50 plus years of Russian research and thousands of testimonials from people who have recovered full health. The reason the mainstream medical establishment doesn't accept breathing techniques is because they have no way of making money from it. They cannot put it in pill form and have a customer for life, they don't want to know about cures..

[cooky]

It's also funny how you ignore 50 plus years of Russian research and thousands of testimonials from people who have recovered full health. The reason the mainstream medical establishment doesn't accept breathing techniques is because they have no way of making money from it. They cannot put it in pill form and have a customer for life, they don't want to know about cures..

You just don't get it, do you? Its like Faith healers, someone claims they were blind and now the can see etc. It is not verifiable because we don't know the starting point. Your so-called 50 Years of research is 50 years of the same unprovable crap which has never been verified. I deal with evidence, most people like to deal with evidence, that way they know it may work and they are not being scammed. Now in my first link I provided you with references tearing apart this quackary. If you are quite sure about this 50 Years of research, produce some evidence that it works, something peer reviewed and independent, not the words of 'believers'. You won't be able to because it is snake oil and quackary. As for making money, well there are alternative therapists everywhere doing acupuncture, herbal medicine chiropractic etc, and they don't seem to have had much of a lroblem

Anyway, when I am able to paste the journal article which shows using EVIDENCE what seems to work I'll let the OP decide if he wants to follow the advice produced by verifiable research or do some quack breathing whose complete premis is based upon incorrect science. Up to him.

[tweedle-dee]

You just don't get it, do you? Its like Faith healers, someone claims they were blind and now the can see etc. It is not verifiable because we don't know the starting point. Your so-called 50 Years of research is 50 years of the same unprovable crap which has never been verified. I deal with evidence, most people like to deal with evidence, that way they know it may work and they are not being scammed. Now in my first link I provided you with references tearing apart this quackary. If you are quite sure about this 50 Years of research, produce some evidence that it works, something peer reviewed and independent, not the words of 'believers'. You won't be able to because it is snake oil and quackary. As for making money, well there are alternative therapists everywhere doing acupuncture, herbal medicine chiropractic etc, and they don't seem to have had much of a lroblem

Anyway, when I am able to paste the journal article which shows using EVIDENCE what seems to work I'll let the OP decide if he wants to follow the advice produced by verifiable research or do some quack breathing whose complete premis is based upon incorrect science. Up to him.

Mate stick with your theory's and beliefs ancient practices and remedies are swept aside purely for the $ and quite sad to read the insults hurled around in a forum to offer help and advice.

[cooky]

Mate stick with your theory's and beliefs ancient practices and remedies are swept aside purely for the $ and quite sad to read the insults hurled around in a forum to offer help and advice.

I disagree.They are alive and well in fact thriving. One can do university degrees in alternative medicine. Also I don't work on theories and beliefs I go on evidence. Up to you if you want to believe in fairy stories.

[zenzen11]

Yeah, just ignore evidence and scientific trials in favour of what you believe. Maybe the refusal to acknowledge it's benefits comesfrom the fact that there is no evidence that it works. Funny that professionals trust what can be proved rather than some load of bollocks that can't. I bet you believe in God,Santa and the Easter bunny.

 

What YOU BELIEVE has MUCH more effect on your body/life than you are giving it credit for.

The ONLY evidence needed for an individual is what works for him/her INDIVIDUALLY.

 

Try it and see.

[dannyboysyd]

Cooky came in here like he is an authority trying to discredit Buteyko breathing, thousand of centres around the world teaching people corrective breathing practices that have helped heal many of there ailments when western medicine had nothing to offer. If a Dr tells you there is no cure for Fibromyalgia what else is there to do besides try an alternative.. You talk about evidence and like science has all the answers, they are constantly changing their theories as new things are discovered, western medicine is based on theories, what the hell are you on about.. Don't come into a post and try to derail it with your mumbo jumbo, we are trying to help people here.. You talk about "belief", the power of belief is very powerful but has nothing to do with why breathing exercises work, if you do the work you get the results, the body gets more efficient at getting oxygenation into the cells..

 

To Legend35, look into Buteyko mate you will find a centre near you by googling it, they even have a centre in Pattaya where you could learn how to do it.. You have nothing to lose mate, give it a go, it could greatly help your condition..

 

Danny

[rollingstonedan]

Stick with it Danny. There's a lot of alternative ( natural ) treatments out there for many diseases and illnesses with proven results.

 

Unfortunately a lot of doctors fail to see past the pill route. Money talks.

[tweedle-dee]

What YOU BELIEVE has MUCH more effect on your body/life than you are giving it credit for.

The ONLY evidence needed for an individual is what works for him/her INDIVIDUALLY.

 

Try it and see.

 

I disagree.They are alive and well in fact thriving. One can do university degrees in alternative medicine. Also I don't work on theories and beliefs I go on evidence. Up to you if you want to believe in fairy stories.

Ha! fairy storys, we are surounded by answers that have been swept aside for pure gain, why do you think we have thousands of edible plants/herbs/berries/nuts/tree leaves/fungi/tree bark/seaweed/natural substances like honey,need i go on? or are they all there just to look pretty.