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They are very easy to spot....walk into a go-go and the Japs/Koreans will be the guys with the young attractive girls on their laps......while on the other hand the guys sitting alone with their thumbs up their arse or with a minger dancer next to them will be the farangs.

 

You might not notice the Asian mongers, but you can be assured that the girls and bar-owners do!!

I had no idea I was japanese or korean...   :GoldenSmile1:   I am always with two or more girls when I go... and leave with another one usually.

 

the question was, are those folks showing up in LK Metro?

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I'll probably get flamed for this; but can assure everyone I mean no offense; but if you want to have attractive dancers and keep prices reasonable for farang punters you may have to prohibit Jap and Korean punters. ( There are bars that allow only Japanese, so what is good for the goose is good for the gander...LOL)

 

 

Once the Asian LDOP punters get wind of a bar having attractive girls, they are on it like flies on sh@t and the place goes tits up ( for farang mongers). :)

 

So now you are racist. No gogo bar in Pattaya allows just Asian customers. They might get many in but I am sure most people are welcome if spending money.

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I'll probably get flamed for this; but can assure everyone I mean no offense; but if you want to have attractive dancers and keep prices reasonable for farang punters you may have to prohibit Jap and Korean punters. ( There are bars that allow only Japanese, so what is good for the goose is good for the gander...LOL)

 

 

Once the Asian LDOP punters get wind of a bar having attractive girls, they are on it like flies on sh@t and the place goes tits up ( for farang mongers). :)

 

 

The most attractive girls will demand the most money , the Japanese and Korean's will happily pay what the girls ask , they therefore will have the pick of the best looking girls in town ..what's wrong with that , it's just supply and demand.

 

Would any BM here not love the idea of owning  Baccara or Sensations , and to walk into your business and see every seat occupied by a big spending Japanese and Korean customers .........I would.

 

 

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I'll probably get flamed for this; but can assure everyone I mean no offense; but if you want to have attractive dancers and keep prices reasonable for farang punters you may have to prohibit Jap and Korean punters. ( There are bars that allow only Japanese, so what is good for the goose is good for the gander...LOL)

 

 

Once the Asian LDOP punters get wind of a bar having attractive girls, they are on it like flies on sh@t and the place goes tits up ( for farang mongers). :)

 

I don't hear the Indian mongers bitching and moaning about the selfish (not sharing) LDOP farang mongers. :-)

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They are very easy to spot....walk into a go-go and the Japs/Koreans will be the guys with the young attractive girls on their laps......while on the other hand the guys sitting alone with their thumbs up their arse or with a minger dancer next to them will be the farangs.

 

You might not notice the Asian mongers, but you can be assured that the girls and bar-owners do!!

Any business if you are the owner you look after your best customers unless you are dumb

Yep good idea to ban your best spending Asian customers

Have you actually ever owned your own business ?

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I really didn't see OP attacking specific establishment or individuals (ie. no direct personal attack), so why all the direct hostility toward BM from some of the bar owners and managers?  OP is posting his projections.  I think other owners and managers post their own projections instead of attacking OP or jumping to the wrong conclusion.  For example, on Mamasan paid, I read that as the total cost for 3 mamasan, but others seems to have read that as cost for EACH mamasan.

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Maybe Brian can be a little more specific as to where his new club will be located. In the initial post he says LK Metro beside the Office A Go Go. On one side of Office is the Crystal Club A Go Go and on the other side (towards Irish Rovers) is a beauty salon which is still operating. Now there is a vacant building next to the beauty salon which is vacant and has a 'for rent' sign up. Now this building has a very small frontage of less than 10 metres and I cannot envisage how a Go Go would operate in it. So Brian is this the building you are referring to? It don't seem like any work going on there.

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 Will open next to the beauty club. the old Russian Casino. Well lasted one day. About boss friend relationship. Why not I said I barfine these girls take them out mainly to pier and have become friends. I think they give good service because they tell me most everything and they stay with me all night and never ask me for one baht. I give if I want and most of the time only pay their bf. They tell me about their customers and their experience. They like me  and some want to go but I never take them. I'm not saying i never bf a bar girl or go go  girl but I have several that I have become close to over time and never had a sexual relationship. they all want to come and work for me and I am confidant they will give good service based on conversations about their bf's with customers. Maybe I'm wrong but think not. I know many go go owners that sleep with their ladies. At glass house i did once and learned quickly that was a bad idea. The next day she was the new boss and all the girls knew it. As far as excluding customers. Come on guys! read my autobiography published soon, The Last Capone. I used to be a big racist mainly because my father was. Throughout life it took a long time but now through life experience I know good and bad in every race, country and religion. Some say all Americans big mouths, all Brits tattooed losers, all indians snakes , but I have several friends from all three countries ....... I exclude only assholes from Kaos no matter what race , religion or country. 

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 The go go will seat 42 narrow but long and on the right side will have ladies dancing basically on you lap so really cozy. Thanks will send design soon. .will concentrate on music and lighting should be very nice lighting with the fire alarm for lady drinks. When that alarm goes off will have a nice little show as mentioned we have our little fire captain aka the little devil 4foot 9 inches  33 kilos who will spank the dancers with her fire hose right to your lap. Have many ideas to make the go go fun and appreciate ideas  from u guys. thanks Brian

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  Construction as I stated before starts on the 5th now, we pushed to the 3rd to make sure can open Feb 1st. 

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Thanks. I look forward to visiting when opened.

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I couldn't be bothered to read the first 17 pages of this thread. All I can say is that I'm sick and tired of getting ice with my beer that is barely one degree below freezing. Imagine that. In civilized countries -- on the occasions we do drink beer with ice -- it is at least TWO degrees colder than freezing.

 

I guess if you have some marginally attractive girls I might stop in, provided of course that you manage to solve the goddamn temperature-of-the-ice problem.

 

May the force be with you.

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 I am pretty confidant I can get walking street quality girls in lk. I have verbal commitment from more than 15 already who either worked for me at glasshouse before or just want a change for a no pressure no cut go go. Some go go's really cut these ladies so their 18,000 baht salary becomes 2,000. We will not cut ladies unless they no show. We will also will not require minimum lady drinks and we will pay them on the first. Many go go's pay on the 6th so if a girl works from the 1st to 31st cannot get paid until the 6th. The go go's do this so if the ladies don't want to work there anymore they get 5 free days work form them. We will be a expat friendly lady friendly go go . 

 Thanks for your post

 

 

I had no idea that these kind of practices are going on.  Why on earth would a girl work under those conditions when there are Facebook and other options available to them?  Clearly the girls hold the cards these days, it's surprising that they put up with that kind of shit from their employers.  No wonder there are so many fatties and elderly chics in go gos these days.

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I had no idea that these kind of practices are going on. Why on earth would a girl work under those conditions when there are Facebook and other options available to them? Clearly the girls hold the cards these days, it's surprising that they put up with that kind of shit from their employers. No wonder there are so many fatties and elderly chics in go gos these days.

We have a winner you have hit the nail on the head in years past many years by the way the girls needed the bars for a means of support a means of meeting punters.

 

Nowdays without question the bars need the girls more so than the girls need the bar that is why it is tremendously important to provide a safe fun and profitable environment for the girls to work in as you say if not why would they bother.

 

If anyone thinks girls today need the bars there are sadly mistaken

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I had no idea that these kind of practices are going on. Why on earth would a girl work under those conditions when there are Facebook and other options available to them? Clearly the girls hold the cards these days, it's surprising that they put up with that kind of shit from their employers. No wonder there are so many fatties and elderly chics in go gos these days.

I know of one Mamason who kept her girls in financial debt at a very high interest rate and the girls cant leave. Then demands more money from the owner or else she will take her girl elswhere and the girls are bound by debt. The owner paid the girls debts, fucked off the Mamason and now has his own stable of loyal girls.
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Good luck with your new bar. Like many others, I'll be happy to drop by when it opens.

 

There have been some interesting points raised in this thread, but the 800-lb gorilla in the discussion that no one has mentioned so far has been over a establishment. There are simply too many bars in Pattaya for all of them to earn a profit. Take any metric you like- tourist arrivals; overnight hotel stays; year-round foreign residents, whatever- and it is painfully obvious that supply outstrips demand by a huge factor. For the bar sector to remain viable, half the go gos and two-thirds of the beer bars should close and never open again as anything P4P related.

 

Today, Pattaya bar owners are in cut-throat competition for slices of a pie that's only getting smaller. The only way a new bar can succeed is to take customers from existing bars. There's no growth in the traditional farang punter customer base (single males from West European and English -speaking countries); any growth in overall tourism has come from China, Russia and India and tourists from those countries aren't the natural customers for classic Pattaya bars.

 

But it's clear: if a bar owner can come up with a new idea that captures not only the attention but also the fancy of traditional farang punters does indeed have a good shot at success. Perhaps your emphasis on nostalgia and turning back the clock is the angle that will attract customers in sufficient numbers to pull profit out of Kaos.

 

But it's a tough row to ho and will ultimately depend on your ability to attract and hold the right staff. So one again, the best of luck with your project.

 

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But it's clear: if a bar owner can come up with a new idea that captures not only the attention but also the fancy of traditional farang punters does indeed have a good shot at success. Perhaps your emphasis on nostalgia and turning back the clock is the angle that will attract customers in sufficient numbers to pull profit out of Kaos.

 

And if that did work then you can guarantee that every Gogo on LK would do the same thing within days.

 

ps...I hope it works and I'll definitely drop in.

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We have a winner you have hit the nail on the head in years past many years by the way the girls needed the bars for a means of support a means of meeting punters.

 

Nowdays without question the bars need the girls more so than the girls need the bar that is why it is tremendously important to provide a safe fun and profitable environment for the girls to work in as you say if not why would they bother.

 

If anyone thinks girls today need the bars there are sadly mistaken

oh they need the barsS, the captial S for the amount of places for a girl to work

 

over saturation and better wages outside p4p mean far more choices and fewer hotties in any one place.

 

hot girls a can easily bounce from place to place, then move city or head to the islands, all of which, you would be well aware of.

 

my mysogjo view: give a women to many options and they become to hard to handle and deal with.

 

and certainly you must have to kiss some ass sometimes to keep them on the books.

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oh they need the barsS, the captial S for the amount of places for a girl to work

 

over saturation and better wages outside p4p mean far more choices and fewer hotties in any one place.

 

hot girls a can easily bounce from place to place, then move city or head to the islands, all of which, you would be well aware of.

 

my mysogjo view: give a women to many options and they become to hard to handle and deal with.

 

and certainly you must have to kiss some ass sometimes to keep them on the books.

Kiss some ass? Na not really but what works best (for me anyway) is to treat them with the respect they deserve despite what they do for work because none of us are any better than they are.

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Kiss some ass? Na not really but what works best (for me anyway) is to treat them with the respect they deserve despite what they do for work because none of us are any better than they are.

 

Very well said. I noticed last night that a couple of girls that had been barfined and were heading off came up and hugged you before they left. The girls there are obviously happy. 

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There's a conundrum that haunts every gogo bar owner who tries to attract chea-, I mean budget-conscious, Charlies: many of his target customers want to spend as little money as possible in a bar, especially on drinks or LDs. Their only interest in visiting a go go is to find a female companion for the night and they consider any money spent that doesn't directly further that goal to be a waste.

 

Basically, the CC's (conscious consumers, if you prefer) sit for an hour or more hugging a mug of discount draft, then try to make contact with the girl of their choice. But they won't buy her a drink until they are sure she's willing to be bar fined and accept a rock-bottom offer for her services. Many of the hard-core CC's will try to swerve both the bar fine and LD's by arranging an after-hours meet up or contact via phone or Face Book. To some on the Pattaya boards, that's the pinnacle of "professional mongering."

 

It's actually the P4P equivalent of U.S. housewives who only shop with coupons at supermarkets. Certainly they are expert shoppers and save a lot of money, but if every one followed their example, the supermarket would go broke. Same-same with go go bars. If every punter at most bought one discount draft, one LD and a 700-baht BF, no go go bar could survive. It's the customers who buy LDs by the tray and ring the bell that allows a bar to operate at a profit.

 

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There's a conundrum that haunts every gogo bar owner who tries to attract chea-, I mean budget-conscious, Charlies: many of his target customers want to spend as little money as possible in a bar, especially on drinks or LDs. Their only interest in visiting a go go is to find a female companion for the night and they consider any money spent that doesn't directly further that goal to be a waste.

 

Basically, the CC's (conscious consumers, if you prefer) sit for an hour or more hugging a mug of discount draft, then try to make contact with the girl of their choice. But they won't buy her a drink until they are sure she's willing to be bar fined and accept a rock-bottom offer for her services. Many of the hard-core CC's will try to swerve both the bar fine and LD's by arranging an after-hours meet up or contact via phone or Face Book. To some on the Pattaya boards, that's the pinnacle of "professional mongering."

 

It's actually the P4P equivalent of U.S. housewives who only shop with coupons at supermarkets. Certainly they are expert shoppers and save a lot of money, but if every one followed their example, the supermarket would go broke. Same-same with go go bars. If every punter at most bought one discount draft, one LD and a 700-baht BF, no go go bar could survive. It's the customers who buy LDs by the tray and ring the bell that allows a bar to operate at a profit.

 

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And yet it is those very people that are belittled on forums such as this by the Thailand experts??? I not saying everyone should go overboard but buying a few LD's and creating a party atmosphere makes a bar a fun place to be imho

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And yet it is those very people that are belittled on forums such as this by the Thailand experts??? I not saying everyone should go overboard but buying a few LD's and creating a party atmosphere makes a bar a fun place to be imho

IMHO CC as described by EP are unimportant as they do no contribute!  They do not contribute to the girls, the do not contribute to the owners and they do not contribute to the overall atmosphere of the Go Go!  A perfect example was at Windmills the other night, good group of guys and girls passing the hat around to get a bit of show going with the girls in the jacuzzi, the girls are happy, cause they can see a pot of gold, start the show and CC comes up nursing the last of his beer and starts trying to finger the girls! It puts the girls and the paying punters off!

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And yet it is those very people that are belittled on forums such as this by the Thailand experts??? I not saying everyone should go overboard but buying a few LD's and creating a party atmosphere makes a bar a fun place to be imho

Mostly it's old-fashioned jealousy and sour grapes; some Pattaya visitors and ex-pats resent the fact others are able to afford a more extravagant holiday or lifesjust as much (or. Another part is grounded in fear and ignorance. Some posters don't like or understand the changes that are taking place in Pattaya and seek to assign blame for what they consider worsening conditions. High rollers and big spenders have become convenient targets. It's easier and more emotionally satisfying to blame them than the real culprits behind the changes to the Pattaya scene, i.e., economic developments inside and outside Thailand.

 

Finally, when it comes to some of the derogatory stuff written about Japanese, Korean and other Asian punters, there's a large measure of misunderstanding about Asian cultures with a sprinkling of raw racism. Asian punters have just as much (or little) right to visit Pattaya as any other foreigners. They enjoy themselves in a fashion that's in line with the cultural norms of their homelands (and Thailand, for that matter). They are spending their own money in ways they deem fit. There is absolutely no valid reason to resent or criticize them.

 

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