Beliefs challenged-how science can dupe you.

[cooky]

WARNING: If you don't want to read my diatribe about fat and cholesterol,forget this thread. 

If you want to know about a few de-bunked myths, maybe read on, but this is my take on actual evidence, but I couldn't be arsed quoting sources yet and will do later.

 

 

I was trained as a scientist, I later became a nurse. I have qualifications coming out of my arse, all of which are evidence-based. I challenge anything new, I ask for proof, I rarely take things on face value, so how was I duped by the saturated fat myth? 

 

Many years ago I was diagnosed with high cholesterol. I couldn't understand why, I don't like the taste of fat, didn't eat fatty meat, butter makes me puke, never eat margarine, but my cholesterol was high and I was told too high. Immediately I had a bit of a problem with this, cholesterol is an integral part of every single cell in your body, your liver makes it, and even if you drink a litre of the stuff, it will not raise your cholesterol levels. Cholesterol needs saturated fat to bind to to transport it and let it do its dirty work, that was the message.

 

Before I was born, Ansel Keys had told the world that saturated fat caused heart disease and basically killed you, and of course cholesterol bound to the saturated fat and clogged your arteries and...heart attack.

 

I wonder why nobody challenged Keys and his findings, people did, but other influences, mostly financial, meant that his findings were accepted and became almost like a scientific law...saturated fat causes heart disease. 

 

To this day most of the medical profession still accepts this, because it was like leg bone connected to the knee bone sort of thing, obvious,observable, people with heart disease had cholesterol plaques. 

 

My high cholesterol was first diagnosed with my high blood pressure, now I have no doubt that is a killer, and at the time high blood pressure and high cholesterol = big risk factor, so I was put on blood pressure meds and statins. I had to make a telephone appointment to speak with the Heart Foundation nurse, so I did. She told me I couldn't eat more than one egg a week. I thought WTF, why, they may contain cholesterol but not much saturated fat. I didn't like what I was being told, it didn't gel with my biochemistry, so I gave it a bit of a fuck off. 

 

Still, for years I went with the saturated fat myth, even 6 months ago I was telling my stepdaughters and Flipper missus (who is letting me go to Pattaya) that the Filipino shite they were eating was really bad for them, saturated fat galore. Then I discovered the truth-The Great Cholesterol Con, by Anthony Colpo. This gut is a body builder I suppose, not a scientist or doctor, but he writes like a scientist, and what is more he backs up everything he says with peer-reviewed references from reputable sources.I first read his weight loss book, and actually was surprised, but cholesterol and saturated fat? No, bollocks, that is like action and reaction are equal and opposite, no denying that absolute, but after a bit of research I bought his e-book. 

 

Now I have quals, like I said, a frigging PhD, I think I know evidence from bollocks. Colpo's book turned my world upside down, not just with respect to the saturated fat and cholesterol thing, but also how absolutely shocking the so-called healthy fats, oils and modern grains are to your health, almost as frightening as when you first realise fatty meat gives you a heart attack, allegedly. 

 

I don't know this guy, I have no interest in his wealth, but I like to challenge thinking where I can. It is an understatement to say this guy challenged my thinking, hell, my deepest and most sacrosanct knowledge.

 

There are more questions than answers, they say, and I honestly cannot do his book justice, and he has many of the answers. Having read it I put some of his thoughts to a few anaesthetists at work, and they were receptive. They, especially where I work, often face the stereotype of things like alcohol abuse, and observations that do not match with what should be, so those with open minds have open minds!

 

I am not trying to preach, convert, or cajole anyone into buying Colpo's e-book, but it is a good read for anyone who cares, and most of the guys I have conversed with here seem to be intelligent guys. My thoughts and beliefs have been challenged, no doubt whatsoever. I hope my leave is granted and I get to Pattaya in Feb to challenge a few more!

 

Cheers

 

[Craven Moorehead]

Look forward to reading his book, thanks. I read that the study that doctors have been using was done in the 60's, and was flawed.

[par47]

Just part of the great pharma con. World is full of made up diseases and their expensive cures.

 

The wonder drug for cholesterol, Statins, has been proven to be no more effective than eating an apple a day ( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/10522841/Apple-a-day-as-effective-as-statins.html ).

 

Also, OP post looks like a copy/paste spam to me!

[cooky]

Just part of the great pharma con. World is full of made up diseases and their expensive cures.

 

The wonder drug for cholesterol, Statins, has been proven to be no more effective than eating an apple a day ( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/10522841/Apple-a-day-as-effective-as-statins.html ).

 

Also, OP post looks like a copy/paste spam to me!

Fuck you pal, original work by me, find it anywhere and I'll leave this forum immediately.

[MickyBangBang]

OP might be interested to learn that there's an interesting video on Netflix called Forks Over Knives, there's a book too, and they have a website here as well. A bit extreme for me, but it worked for Bill Clinton when he switched to it after he had his bypass surgery there a few years ago, so there you go.

[Eastboy]

Interesting read but the field of nutrition is just a minefield of conflicting opinions that just overwhelm the layman such as myself.

One week you hear eggs are bad then the next they are good. The best bet seems to be to experiment with different diets yourself till you find one that seems to work.

[westie1]

OP might be interested to learn that there's an interesting video on Netflix called Forks Over Knives, there's a book too, and they have a website here as well. A bit extreme for me, but it worked for Bill Clinton when he switched to it after he had his bypass surgery there a few years ago, so there you go.

 

I did this for a while. I lost two stone(I wasn't looking to lose it)but I never felt better .

 

I stopped it because of the weight loss

[Scumbag]

Interesting read but the field of nutrition is just a minefield of conflicting opinions that just overwhelm the layman such as myself.

One week you hear eggs are bad then the next they are good. The best bet seems to be to experiment with different diets yourself till you find one that seems to work.

Yes it is a complex issue. Cholesterol is essential for normal cell function. However, statistics show that there is a strong correlation between elevated levels of blood cholesterol and mortality from cardiovascular and coronary heart disease. I think it depends on what sort of cholesterol you have elevated amounts of in your blood.

 

I believe the best diet is to eat as many types of foods and avoid eating the same things on a regular basis. It's not easy to do but it avoids this thing about some foods being good one week and not the next. If you don't eat too much of it there is little difference.

 

If I was to find out that I had dangerous levels of cholesterol in my blood I would not hesitate to take whatever the doctor prescribed. I would use this as an interim measure while I adjusted my diet and then cut the dose as it naturally reduced. There is no way I would want to be on that shit for a long time. There is also no way I would listen to a minority of opinions and not take them to get myself out of a potentially dangerous situation.

[Cerberus]

I have written on this before, my cholesterol is off the charts and has been all my life, After extensive reading I refused Statins. I was recently told during an annual health check that due to my high cholesterol I was under almost immediate threat of a heart attack and that my arteries were probably coated in plaque and fatty tissue. I went for a full 3D scan and walked through the arteries of my heart and lung supply. On a scale of 1 to 7, with one being the best I was a 2.

 

Statins have probably done more harm than any good they could have ever done, John Hopkins just wrote similarly. Pharmaceutical companies have made trillions from statins, one of their greatest cons.

 

High blood pressure can generally be corrected by diet and exercise and in the majority of cases does not need medicating. I guess as always you pay the piper and then decide if you want to dance to his tune.

[Scumbag]

I have written on this before, my cholesterol is off the charts and has been all my life, After extensive reading I refused Statins. I was recently told during an annual health check that due to my high cholesterol I was under almost immediate threat of a heart attack and that my arteries were probably coated in plaque and fatty tissue. I went for a full 3D scan and walked through the arteries of my heart and lung supply. On a scale of 1 to 7, with one being the best I was a 2.

 

Statins have probably done more harm than any good they could have ever done, John Hopkins just wrote similarly. Pharmaceutical companies have made trillions from statins, one of their greatest cons.

 

High blood pressure can generally be corrected by diet and exercise and in the majority of cases does not need medicating. I guess as always you pay the piper and then decide if you want to dance to his tune.

Have you been tested regularly through you life? Perhaps what is required to properly interpret the cholesterol content of your blood is first establishing what is normal for you. Everyone is different and it is an increase above what is normal for you that is important. I don't know the answer but the thought occurred to me as I read your post.

[COLD SODA]

I just love this forum , everyday I learn something new ..

[westie1]

Im only 38 and have gotten my cholesterol checked each year since 2007. Its always been less than 4.5 but this year it jumped to 6.9.

 

I know its not at a dangerous level, but high cholesterol runs on my mums side.I would eat pretty well and im not a big drinker.

[Cerberus]

Have you been tested regularly through you life? Perhaps what is required to properly interpret the cholesterol content of your blood is first establishing what is normal for you. Everyone is different and it is an increase above what is normal for you that is important. I don't know the answer but the thought occurred to me as I read your post.

 

Yep my norm is off the charts, my diet exceptionally clean, it would appear that my body makes the bloody stuff. There has been an increase over the past few years but when it is as high as mine I think the increase is of no importance.

[layow]

 

 

I believe the best diet is to eat as many types of foods and avoid eating the same things on a regular basis.

 

i can promise you eating leafy green vegetables regularly is a very good thing to do

 

and no one will come up with a proper study that contradicts that.

[Dr.Winston]

Interesting read but the field of nutrition is just a minefield of conflicting opinions that just overwhelm the layman such as myself.

One week you hear eggs are bad then the next they are good. The best bet seems to be to experiment with different diets yourself till you find one that seems to work.

I also think the whole cholesterol issue is complicated and often misunderstood. There's a great book called "Fats that heal, Fats that Kill" by Udo Erasmus. He says that it's oxidised cholesterol that is the main problem. As I'm sure you know oxidisation requires heat. light and oxygen so the cholesterol in eggs is 'fine' if your eggs are boiled (no light or air) but not so good if over heated and fried or scrambled.

 

He goes into the molecular structure of fats and and gives example of where saturated fats can actually be better for you than essential fatty acids (unsaturated like Omega 3). Although EFA's are much better for you, essential even, they are also the fats that are the most easily damaged by over heating (frying). Over heating unsaturated fats causes the molecular structure to be damaged to a much greater degree than unsaturated fats so butter can be better for you to fry in than 'good' unsaturated oils. There are versions of unsaturated cooking oils that are less prone to heat damage. The heat damage to fats can cause trans fatty acids which are much worse for you than undamaged saturated fats.

 

I think people concerned about their diet should pay as much attention to what has been done to their food as what it is. I really think, simple, unprocessed natural food is a key to health.

 

Also statins, although effective in reducing the 'bad' LDL cholesterol are not so mysterious as to be regarded as a special addition to certain brands of margarine (often unhealthier than butter because of the heating and processing) and can be obtained by eating plenty of vegetables.

 

I've also read that cholesterol levels are pretty well regulated by the body in most people but that this is not the case for about 30% of us who do need to keep an eye on it. There are just so many other factors involved that I don't see cholesterol levels as any kind of definitive measure of cardio-vascular health on their own.

[Scumbag]

...and no one will come up with a proper study that contradicts that.

I strongly suspect that there would be someone to challenge you on that....lol

 

Anyway as usual tomorrow night will be a meat-fest....

[COLD SODA]

I strongly suspect that there would be someone to challenge you on that....lol

 

Anyway as usual tomorrow night will be a meat-fest....

Same as every night ....lol

[Scumbag]

Same as every night ....lol

Actually I was referring to a BBQ that I am having tomorrow night that the poof I quoted should be coming to...

[layow]

I strongly suspect that there would be someone to challenge you on that....lol

 

Anyway as usual tomorrow night will be a meat-fest....

lamok used to,

 

and

 

i would be upset if it werent

[layow]

added missing quote from the good DR W-O-B

 

I really think, simple, unprocessed natural food is a key to health.

 

 

yep agreed

 

about 3 to 4 times a week

 

alternating chicken to pork sometimes beef and variations of the vegies, and only manow on the lightly boiled vegies

 

sticky rice with manow and nam prick wan, to add some filler.

 

can be boring but builds character lol, actually if i eat badly a few times, i can feel a drop in energy

 

 

that and it costs about 70-100 bht

 

 

 

 

[gapelover]

Your right nutrition can be just a bunch of conflicting bullshit but it's the most simple thing in the world. It's just we like to eat for pleasure that makes it so difficult.

 

But seriously if you're a normal person with no conditions or allergies all you need to do is eat fruit, veg and meat and add eggs and dairy if you want big muscles like me. Get in some regular exercise. Boom, you're healthy.

[Dr.Winston]

 

added missing quote from the good DR W-O-B

 

 

yep agreed

 

about 3 to 4 times a week

 

alternating chicken to pork sometimes beef and variations of the vegies, and only manow on the lightly boiled vegies

 

sticky rice with manow and nam prick wan, to add some filler.

 

can be boring but builds character lol, actually if i eat badly a few times, i can feel a drop in energy

 

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that and it costs about 70-100 bht

 

 

 

 

 

I had a lady on my last trip who told me she was going to have a hotdog for breakfast... I got about two lines into my health lecture before I realised I was talking my way out of a good morning!

[Scumbag]

I had a lady on my last trip who told me she was going to have a hotdog for breakfast... I got about two lines into my health lecture before I realised I was talking my way out of a good morning!

If it is the sort of hotdog I am thinking about there are no dietary health concerns....lol

[Dr.Winston]

If it is the sort of hotdog I am thinking about there are no dietary health concerns....lol

[bob_ny]

I have written on this before, my cholesterol is off the charts and has been all my life, After extensive reading I refused Statins. I was recently told during an annual health check that due to my high cholesterol I was under almost immediate threat of a heart attack and that my arteries were probably coated in plaque and fatty tissue. I went for a full 3D scan and walked through the arteries of my heart and lung supply. On a scale of 1 to 7, with one being the best I was a 2.

 

Statins have probably done more harm than any good they could have ever done, John Hopkins just wrote similarly. Pharmaceutical companies have made trillions from statins, one of their greatest cons.

 

High blood pressure can generally be corrected by diet and exercise and in the majority of cases does not need medicating. I guess as always you pay the piper and then decide if you want to dance to his tune.

Knowing that pharma are a criminal bunch, how do you reconcile testing for something like HIV and the conclusion that HIV leads to AIDS. As this is the result of our population being led to these conclusions by pharma IMO.

 

This is not meant as an attack on you, I admire the care you appear to give your girls in educating them and looking to help even those not in your employ who discover health problems from sex work.

 

But I'm watching the beginning of Ebola charities the same as I watched AIDS charities beginning funded by pharma that made fortunes poisoning people and finger pointing innocents in their efforts to find a happy medium between healing and hurting while making money where perhaps no new or any intervention was necessary.

 

None of what I just wrote is claimed to be accurate or true, maybe just fodder for an interesting novel. So please take it easy if I've stepped on anyone's beliefs or unknowingly besmirched a loved ones life.