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I am informed (reliably) that a group of benefit fraud investigators are in Pattaya at present

 

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  • 4 weeks later...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

 

Wait!

 

I'm employed!

 

Phew.. flashback or what! :rolleyes:

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Are they on holiday , mongering ?

You can be on the right track and still get hit by a train .

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Its all those scouser's trying to cash their giro's at the Pattaya post office

 

Al.

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Looks like somebody in the dole office landed themselves the best job ever. I did once know somebody who was living quite happily just outside Pattaya on invalidity benefit. He just got it paid into his account in the UK and went to the ATM every couple of weeks.

 

It all ended when a jealous friend reported him.

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Sounds like a junket to me... :rolleyes:

 

Surely the department knows when omeone receiving benefts leaves the country.

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Sounds like a junket to me... :rolleyes:

 

Surely the department knows when omeone receiving benefts leaves the country.

 

In the case of the UK at least some types of long term benefits are paid directly into the claimants bank account.

Edited by Dr.Winston O'Boogie

         ความจริงเป็นสิ่งที่ไม่ตายแต่คนพูดความจริงอาจจะตาย                 

The truth is immortal but people who speak it aren't - Thai proverb

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What benefit fraud can someone collect out here? Unless they travel back every 2 weeks to sign on!?!?

 

You can get housing benefit if you rent and the rent is too high. You don't have to be claming Income Support or JSA to qualify for it either.

 

What you can do is sublet your house and continue getting housing benefit paid into your account while you are over there. I get about £1000 a month in benefits at the moment cos my wife isnt working and looking after my daughter. I could easily rent out my house and stay in Thailand on that! lol

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I wouldn't mind betting there are quite a few long term residents of Pattaya whose "limp" disappears once they get off of the plane. Must be the healing qualities of the tropical climate.

         ความจริงเป็นสิ่งที่ไม่ตายแต่คนพูดความจริงอาจจะตาย                 

The truth is immortal but people who speak it aren't - Thai proverb

Karl's Thailand - My YouTube Channel

 

 

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great work if you can find it might nip down to emplotyment office and put in a job application lol

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We are making some head-way with our enquiries but we would need another month to really crack it!

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The truth is immortal but people who speak it aren't - Thai proverb

Karl's Thailand - My YouTube Channel

 

 

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Its all those scouser's trying to cash their giro's at the Pattaya post office

 

Al.

 

Come on Al your giving the scousers a bad name :Drunk1: I cash my Giro at the new BKK airport before I get to Pattaya :Hair_Out1::Cry3:

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Whatever they are doing in Pattaya , they are doing it on the taxpayers money . All expenses paid . Wonder if they claim entertainment expenses ?

 

How do you spot one ?

You can be on the right track and still get hit by a train .

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Cant imagine how they can police over here or enforce any thing......"oh we re from the work and pensions fraud office can you prove your income"...."yes sure i rent my arse in Soi 6 would you like me to show you"....i doubt if any one would give them the time of day. :Hair_Out1:

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Are you guys serious?

 

Where to start?

 

There are people out here coining it off the benifits... unemployment, check.... disability check.... rent the council house out privately move to Pattaya, check..... I could go on but I charge for lessons.

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Come on Al your giving the scousers a bad name :Bravo1: I cash my Giro at the new BKK airport before I get to Pattaya :D:)

Better not get a blow job then Blue it will affect your benefit claim :Bravo1:

 

 

On a more serious note I thought I remembered reading about this before here is the link

 

Pattaya Daily News

 

Dated February 26, 2008 looks like they have been there some time

 

FRAUDULENT EXPATS BEWARE! UK TARGETING FRAUD WITH HI-TECH COUNTERMEASURES

Some unscrupulous ex-pats living in Thailand believe they can get away with daylight robbery when it comes to falsely claiming benefits from their home governments, but the long arm of the law, especially in the UK, is now equipped with advanced technology and is about to scotch such scams in no uncertain terms.

 

Equipped with more extensive powers, UK authorities are now cross-referencing data bases of banks, mortgage companies, utility companies and even student loans, signifying that defrauders’ scam potential is being radically curtailed. This will be considerably enhanced if the British government goes ahead with its latest proposals to make a DNA database of all UK residents!

 

As regards, UK citizens living in Thailand and falsely claiming benefits, the on-line news portal of Media Wales Ltd, icWales, recently reported the case of Yorkshireman, David Martindale, 63, who received a six-month suspended jail term for claiming £27,000 in benefits while actually living in Thailand with his Thai wife.

 

Authorities in Wales, in particular, with the amount of recoverable overpayments reaching £6.3 million, are redoubling efforts to bring fraudsters to justice. icWales reported a whole litany of individual cases of those who thought they could flaunt the law and get away with it. Most cases related to individuals declaring themselves to be unemployed and claiming income support, council tax relief and housing benefits when they were, in fact, working. Between April and January in 2008, 252 people have been prosecuted so far for working while claiming benefits.

 

During this period, 28 suspended sentences have been handed out, three community orders and five supervision orders. Another 760 people have accepted cautions and a further 184 have accepted administrative penalties.

 

Tal Davies, Investigations Manager for Swansea Council, maintained fraudsters had to devise steadily more elaborate plots to cover their tracks. However, Davies warned that the authorities are one step ahead of them and the fraudsters should not be complacent. Davies said “Hopefully cases like this send out the message to those who have committed benefit fraud that it is a crime and they will be caught. These people are taking money from the public purse and we will do our upmost to bring them to book.... Benefits are for the needy, not the greedy."

 

Two high profile cases were Robert Minns and Glenda Askew. Robert Minns, of Townhill, Swansea, was imprisoned for a year after falsely claiming nearly £39,296.81 in benefits. Minns maintained he needed the money to pay for hire cars to visit his sick grandson in Bristol. However, the false benefit claims began at least two years before the child fell ill and continued for five years, until a member of the public informed on him in October 2006. When confronted by investigators, Minns showed no remorse and boasted that it was easy to do and that was why he continued defrauding for five years.

 

In the other reported case, that of Glenda Askew, of Clase, Swansea, she received a four months custodial sentence after she defrauded authorities out of £11,000, pretending her husband was dead. Her scam was revealed after she attempted to avoid a speeding fine by pretending she had also died!

 

These cases highlight intensified efforts on the part of authorities. Lest UK defrauders living in Thailand think they can swindle the government and escape scot free, they should remember that Britain has extradition treaties with Thailand and regularly sends investigative teams over here to track down offenders. One fillip, is that should anyone overhear frank confessions in local bars, the South Wales Department of Work and Pensions is very eager to hear of such cases relating to citizens originally from their area and are no doubt prepared to rewards for such information.

 

As an aside, fear of discovery may also be among the reasons why individuals with an overbearing guilty conscience are prone to commit suicide, especially in Pattaya. This is especially true if they consider they cannot return to the UK for fear of arrest.

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Highly unlikely benefit investigators would bother travelling to Pattaya. Not a lot they can do there but they do have extensive powers to check people's UK financial details. I bet a fair few claiming state pensions claim to live in the UK but really live in Pattaya. And looking at the sort of people you see staggering around Pattaya I would be surprised if there wasn't any benefit cheats amongst them. Can't be too paranoid when you can left be with a large bill to pay.

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Better not get a blow job then Blue it will affect your benefit claim :Whistle:

 

 

On a more serious note I thought I remembered reading about this before here is the link

 

Pattaya Daily News

 

Dated February 26, 2008 looks like they have been there some time

 

FRAUDULENT EXPATS BEWARE! UK TARGETING FRAUD WITH HI-TECH COUNTERMEASURES

Some unscrupulous ex-pats living in Thailand believe they can get away with daylight robbery when it comes to falsely claiming benefits from their home governments, but the long arm of the law, especially in the UK, is now equipped with advanced technology and is about to scotch such scams in no uncertain terms.

 

Equipped with more extensive powers, UK authorities are now cross-referencing data bases of banks, mortgage companies, utility companies and even student loans, signifying that defrauders’ scam potential is being radically curtailed. This will be considerably enhanced if the British government goes ahead with its latest proposals to make a DNA database of all UK residents!

 

As regards, UK citizens living in Thailand and falsely claiming benefits, the on-line news portal of Media Wales Ltd, icWales, recently reported the case of Yorkshireman, David Martindale, 63, who received a six-month suspended jail term for claiming £27,000 in benefits while actually living in Thailand with his Thai wife.

 

Authorities in Wales, in particular, with the amount of recoverable overpayments reaching £6.3 million, are redoubling efforts to bring fraudsters to justice. icWales reported a whole litany of individual cases of those who thought they could flaunt the law and get away with it. Most cases related to individuals declaring themselves to be unemployed and claiming income support, council tax relief and housing benefits when they were, in fact, working. Between April and January in 2008, 252 people have been prosecuted so far for working while claiming benefits.

 

During this period, 28 suspended sentences have been handed out, three community orders and five supervision orders. Another 760 people have accepted cautions and a further 184 have accepted administrative penalties.

 

Tal Davies, Investigations Manager for Swansea Council, maintained fraudsters had to devise steadily more elaborate plots to cover their tracks. However, Davies warned that the authorities are one step ahead of them and the fraudsters should not be complacent. Davies said “Hopefully cases like this send out the message to those who have committed benefit fraud that it is a crime and they will be caught. These people are taking money from the public purse and we will do our upmost to bring them to book.... Benefits are for the needy, not the greedy."

 

Two high profile cases were Robert Minns and Glenda Askew. Robert Minns, of Townhill, Swansea, was imprisoned for a year after falsely claiming nearly £39,296.81 in benefits. Minns maintained he needed the money to pay for hire cars to visit his sick grandson in Bristol. However, the false benefit claims began at least two years before the child fell ill and continued for five years, until a member of the public informed on him in October 2006. When confronted by investigators, Minns showed no remorse and boasted that it was easy to do and that was why he continued defrauding for five years.

 

In the other reported case, that of Glenda Askew, of Clase, Swansea, she received a four months custodial sentence after she defrauded authorities out of £11,000, pretending her husband was dead. Her scam was revealed after she attempted to avoid a speeding fine by pretending she had also died!

 

These cases highlight intensified efforts on the part of authorities. Lest UK defrauders living in Thailand think they can swindle the government and escape scot free, they should remember that Britain has extradition treaties with Thailand and regularly sends investigative teams over here to track down offenders. One fillip, is that should anyone overhear frank confessions in local bars, the South Wales Department of Work and Pensions is very eager to hear of such cases relating to citizens originally from their area and are no doubt prepared to rewards for such information.

 

As an aside, fear of discovery may also be among the reasons why individuals with an overbearing guilty conscience are prone to commit suicide, especially in Pattaya. This is especially true if they consider they cannot return to the UK for fear of arrest.

 

These threats of "High technology" remind me of the campaign in the UK in the 1970's designed to make sure that everybody paid for a TV license. They would show a Hi Tech TV detection van outside somebodies house. The catch line was "He hasn't got a TV license and he's watching Columbo" I didn't have a TV license for years and the never caught up with me.

 

Personally, I take the view that they think it is far more economical to try to make make offenders feel paranoid through advertising campaigns than by actually getting out there and catching them. But I could be wrong.

Edited by Dr.Winston O'Boogie

         ความจริงเป็นสิ่งที่ไม่ตายแต่คนพูดความจริงอาจจะตาย                 

The truth is immortal but people who speak it aren't - Thai proverb

Karl's Thailand - My YouTube Channel

 

 

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they re here looking for the people male and female who are mainly claiming disability in the uk has they dont have to report every 2 weeks and a good job it wants stopping

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The majority of those claiming incapacity benefit get it paid straight into their bank accounts.. they don't have to sign on weekly.

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It is very complicated , but you can live abroad for 26 weeks and still claim most benefits . Longer if you are in the country for some kind of treatment ( eg , in Pattaya for the massage treatments ) .

 

So do not knock someone who has paid into the system most of their life , and due to illness or an accident are now disabled . They can go abroad for a long time officially and legally while still claiming .

 

If you are disabled and cannot work why the fuck should you have to stay in the UK ? Nobody else does .

You can be on the right track and still get hit by a train .

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