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A buddy just tried to get his girl a Visa to the UK..Not a bar girl and has never been employed in the sex trade..She worked real estate..He applied for a Marrage visa but not sure why it was turned down/declined..Whats the % of sucess the 2nd time?

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I've heard it gets worse once you have failed once. Everything is circumstantial though, he just needs to make sure he's right on the ball with everything the next time he applies.

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Had two visas denied... a tourist visa, and then the first settlement visa, even though both times the applications were totally genuine, and in our eyes, the evidence overwhelming. In the end we got married in the local amphur near the embassy and returned with marriage certificates etc.

 

We'd lived together for about 18 months, known eachother for over 2 years, and been totally truthful on the application(s). By the third application we'd been together 3 years. Now been married and in the UK for 4 years. Together for 7 1/2 years, so their early decisions still make me grind my teeth!

 

If it's an honest application, and both parties are sincere, it's worth the hassle. Even on our third attempt we knew the ECO's didn't want to approve it, but they knew we would only be back a month later and gave in. It costs a lot to keep applying though. :Bravo1:

 

We did all the applications without an agent, although a FL agent at the embassy helped us get married, as it was "after hours" when we decided to take the plunge. She cost us bugger all though, as did the wedding, and we had the certificates all signed and sealed within an hour!

 

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All depends in the strength of the application mate. Best thing to do would be to try and find out what grounds it was rejected on and try and correct what it is thats wrong.

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I've heard it gets worse once you have failed once. Everything is circumstantial though, he just needs to make sure he's right on the ball with everything the next time he applies.

 

That not true Sam, my Wife's application was turned down first time. Accepted the second.

 

All depends in the strength of the application mate. Best thing to do would be to try and find out what grounds it was rejected on and try and correct what it is thats wrong.

 

100% hit the nail on the head Panudate. Read the refusal letter, see what the actual refusal is, ie not enough contact, strength of relationship etc etc, leave a month or so and go back to them with more evidence.

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As far as USA goes, I've heard it's easier to get a fiancee visa than a marriage visa. This still true?

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Depends on why you have beed refused, you must be a good case to the Embasy the decision is made on the evidence you have presented.

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the point is where they married its no use applying for a visa until your married and the only legal way is the 3 day marriage no matter what others tell you less than 3 days it is not recognized by the home office in the uk or any embassy so be careful come to the specialists [email protected] for that personal touch no bullshit straight down to business and get the result you want we are the only visa company in Thailand that look after Thailand connections customers from the uk so if they trust us why not you

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Depends on why you have beed refused, you must be a good case to the Embasy the decision is made on the evidence you have presented.

 

This did not happen to me but a friend of mine and I know little of the details..He applied for a finance visa to take his lady to the UK but was declined..I have been told that if its turned down the first time you stand little chance in the future for obtaining a visa of any kind..I dont know about these things because It will never will apply to me since I live here..

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3 Day rule if you are talking about UK Visa can you show me the 3 day rule because i would love to see it ?

 

 

These are the RULES :

 

If you for a reference would like to check JCWI-Immigration Law Handbook or any relevant documentry evidence this rule i have never heard of it.If any marriage was not legal (Ampur) the UK goverment would not isue any entry clearance of any sort !

 

If you are talking about Thai Law this is of no interest: we are only interested in what is required under UK law as i have done lots of these i have never had a problem at all.

 

 

The Entry Clearance Office (ECO) needs to be satisfied that it is intended that a marriage in the UK will take place. Any evidence that may be available that wedding arrangements are in hand may help in this respect. Failing that, the ECO can reasonably expect you to have made some tentative plans for the wedding. The ECO will, however, be aware from our published procedures that "the law relating to marriage in England and Wales does not allow for any arrangements to be made with a Registrar until the foreign national has arrived in the UK".

 

13.10 - Validity of marriages

In an application for entry clearance from a spouse, you must be satisfied that the parties are validly married to each other.

 

The recognition of any marriage which has taken place overseas is governed by the following:

 

  • Is the type of marriage one recognised in the country in which it took place?
  • Was the actual marriage properly executed so as to satisfy the requirements of the law of the country in which it took place?
  • Was there anything in the law of either party's country of domicile that restricted his/her freedom to enter the marriage?

If the answers to the above questions are respectively "yes", "yes" and "no" then the marriage will be treated as a marriage for the purpose of the "spouse" paragraphs of the RULES, whether or not it is polygamous (but see separate guidance on dealing with applications from polygamous partners).

 

As the application for entry clearance will normally be made in the country in which the marriage took place, ECOs will be well placed to determine whether a particular marriage is valid under local law.

 

Consular marriages, civil partnership ceremonies and divorces which take place in foreign missions in the UK are not legal under the UK marriage laws and are therefore not valid for entry clearance applications. You should advise applicants that if they wish to marry, and already have leave to remain in the UK, they should apply for a Certificate of Approval from the Home Office to enable them to go through a civil ceremony in the UK.

 

Marriage by proxy, by telephone or where no ceremony was required

The formal validity of a marriage should be determined exclusively according to the laws of the countries in which both parties are physically present when the marriage takes place. Therefore, a telephone marriage celebrated whilst one of the parties is in the UK will not be valid, because telephone marriages are not valid in this country. However, in cases where the UK-based sponsor was overseas when the telephone marriage took place and the laws of both countries recognise such marriages, then the marriage process should be accepted as valid. Enquiries about the marriage laws of other countries may be referred to MMSR, Home Office.

 

Where ECOs have doubts over the validity of the marriage, the onus is on the applicant to show that it was celebrated in a country that recognises such marriages. In cultures which regard marriage as consisting of an offer made by a man and accepted by a woman, then a (telephonic) marriage should be considered as having taken place in the country in which the proposal had been accepted i.e. where the woman is. When the woman is resident in the UK, and the offer of marriage is made from overseas, then the marriage cannot be considered as valid because the proposal was accepted in the UK. However, if the woman is resident in a country where telephonic marriages are considered as valid then the UK must also recognise this marriage. Proxy marriages should be considered as having been celebrated in the country in which the ceremony took place.

 

If no ceremony is required under the laws of a particular country and a marriage can be concluded by an exchange of promises, it may be difficult to determine the country in which the marriage has been celebrated and under which law it should be considered. You may need to defer a decision on the issue of an entry clearance and request advice from MMSR in the Home Office.

 

 

Hope this is of help regards.

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Anyone know which visa to the US is faster a fiancee visa or marriage?

 

 

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Anyone know which visa to the US is faster a fiancee visa or marriage?

 

 

thanks

 

Bogey

 

Can you start a seperate thread? This one is about UK Visas and your questions are possibly confusing the issue.

 

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the point is where they married its no use applying for a visa until your married and the only legal way is the 3 day marriage no matter what others tell you less than 3 days it is not recognized by the home office in the uk or any embassy so be careful come to the specialists [email protected] for that personal touch no bullshit straight down to business and get the result you want we are the only visa company in Thailand that look after Thailand connections customers from the uk so if they trust us why not you

 

 

 

No visa company can get preferential treatment - if the case stands up then the visa will be granted regardless of whether the client uses an agent or not.

 

Using someone like Azzzey for "advice" with procedure can be well worth the money but sadly many agents in Thailand are neither Home Office registered nor regulated (Azzey IS) and they try to get clients by implying that its "difficult" i.e. by scaremongering.

 

Less than 5% of Visas to the UK applied for in Thailand are declined - that is a stat published on the Home Office website.

 

Boards tend only to focus on the "declines" and not the successes hence why so many people think its harder than ot really is. If the case is genuine the law states that the application cannot be refused - regardless of whether she is an ex BG or not. You have to make your case sound and provide all criteria asked for. Most of the declines are made on the grounds of either:-

 

1. Suspicion of a fraudulent application i.e. they think the girl has lied, most commonly claiming to be a "student" etc. This is something some unscrupulous agents actually recommend!?

 

2. Failing to provide some or even all of the information requested in the application.

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Good post may i say the visa section i believe is a place for informative posts not to push your business interests. I offer free help & add some interesting info for people i hope, if people need my services they may contact me.

 

You can do the application yourself with no worries or you can use an immigration consultant.

 

Good Luck Azzzey.

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Thecomments about WHY it was refused are spot on. Our firts application was turned down. Then we applied days later and were accepted. On the first application we failed to give sufficient evidence of relationship etc, but we corrected this the second time.

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Well done good luck to you both.

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