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This is an account of a 5-night trip to Lao I did last week. It's not really a monger report as I was with TGF but once a monger always a monger, and my mongering eyes did take in a few bytes of data and stored them away on that HDD in my skull. So this is just a general tourist TR, which I hope will be helpful to any BMs who are planning a Lao trip sometime soon.

 

We entered Lao via the Friendship Bridge from Nong Khai. Once you get to the Lao side you'll need to line up for a VOA. Some people get their Lao visa before hand, either from the embassy in BKK or the consulate in Khon Kaen, but most get a VOA upon entry. Depending on your nationality the fee for a 1-month visa is around $USD 30-35. I know Aussies are $30 and Brits/EU $35. Other nationalities can easily find out how much by visiting the Lao Embassy website.

 

If you have a TGF with you then she enters free using her Thai passport. If she doesn't have a passport she can enter for a limited time only with a border pass. I don't know much about this as the TGFs that have accompanied me always have passports.

 

TIP 1: Get USD ahead of time and save some money. I got mine from a gold shop in Udon Thani, if coming from Patts get some USD from a money changer. If you don't have USD then the fee is 2000 Baht, which is almost double. You will also need 1 passport photo, plus a pen to fill in the forms. This may be stating the obvious but it amazes me how many people waiting to enter Lao don't have a photo or ask to borrow my pen.

 

Visa issued you proceed out to the car park to get a ride into Vientiane city approx' 20 KM away. The official rate for a taxi is 300-400 Baht, I got a tuktuk for 200Bt but soon regretted doing so due to breathing all the shitty exhaust fumes out on the road. Next time I'll stop being such a CC and pay extra to go in an AC car.

 

Vientiane is quite a large city and despite several visits there are parts of the city I've never been to but just driven through. This is because the tourist strip is down by the Mekong River and largely contained within a few blocks. Everything you'll ever want in Vientiane is in this tourist belt: hotels, pubs, restaurants, shops, tour agents, banks, money changers, even most of the tourist attractions such as monuments and major temples like Wat Saket can be reached by foot from this area.

 

We stayed at the Anou Paradise hotel. This is an old hotel, probably built in the 1960s, it's showing its age but has a certain old-world charm. The first thing I noticed was all the timber in the building, solid timber floors throughout, wall panels and fittings, wood everywhere. They must have taken out a couple of large teak forests when they built that hotel. Cost was 900Bt a night, including breakfast for 2. The room was large, had AC/hot water/cable TV, and there was a bath. Also wifi is included but I found the wifi pretty useless in Lao, be it at a hotel or in restaurants - halfway through an email the connection would be lost and I'd have to start all over again.

 

There are many budget hotels around Vientiane, priced 600Bt-1200Bt. Most of the newly built hotels are upmarket and pricier, these advertise as "boutique hotels" and average around 2000Bt, a couple have pools, but hotels with pools are pretty rare in Vientiane. One hotel I looked at and will consider next trip is New Lao Paris hotel on Sam Sen Thai Road. It's currently 900Bt a night with breakfast. There are many cheaper places around too, one of my favorites that I've stayed at many times is the Phonethip Guesthouse on soi Inpeng just off the riverside road. Large rooms with AC/TV/hot water cost 480Bt.

 

TIP 2: The currency of Lao is the kip, written as LAK. However, the Thai baht is accepted everywhere and often prices are given in both baht and kip. Also USD is widely accepted. So any of these 3 currencies will be OK in hotels/restaurants/bars. IMO it's better to go to a money changer and get LAK as soon as possible because some places will give you a poor exchange rate if paying in THB. At the time of my visit the exchange rate was 260 LAK = 1 THB.

 

It was approaching evening after checking into the Anou Paradise so we walked down to the riverside and climbed up the stairs to the rooftop Bor Penn Yang bar. This is the best watering hole in Vientiane IMO, the rooftop view of the Mekong River and Thailand on the other side is great, plus the beer is always cold, prices are good, there's a good selection of food, they play great music, and it's one of the few places in town where tourists can pick up local hookers.

 

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On the first night up at Bor Penn Yang (the name means Mai Pen Rai in Thai) I noticed a cute little hooker sitting at a table with her friend, a couple days later I sighted this same girl entering the door to the 4th floor River View massage shop just around the corner from BPY, so I presume she and her friends work up at the massage parlor and head over to BPY to pull punters when things are quiet. I've never been up to this massage parlor but a good friend told me of a massage shop down by the river where you can get a happy ending or a poke, so it may well be the same place.

 

Tip 3: Be a bit cautious about approaching girls up at BPY as many of the customers are guys from Thailand who have brought TGFs along for the trip, so you may be hitting on another guy’s takeaway. Best just sit still a while and check things out before making any moves.

 

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There are of course many other bars and places to enjoy a few beers in Vientiane. The nearby Drop Zone is fairly popular and the Samlo Pub. I've never actually been into the Samlo Pub and didn't know it existed until seeing it this last trip. It's an old dark dingy place, looks a bit rough to me and I suspect it could even be a gay cruising bar. I’m not sure about that; just a sense I got when I looked in the door. For anyone interested in the local gay scene there's the GQ Bar in Chao Anou Road, plus a bathhouse also on Chao Anou just before the GQ Bar. I found that bathouse on an earlier trip to Vientiane about 2 years ago when I was relaxing in the steam room and after my eyes became accustomed to the dark I noticed a few of the other guys in the steam room were giving each other "lollipops" so I deduced that I had found a gay venue.

 

The Samlo Pub, Vientiane (Framed).JPG

 

In general there are not many girls available for visiting Farang in Lao. The great majority of bars are staffed by males. Even up at BPY where both girls and young men work behind the bar, they are mostly university students doing part-time evening work and I've never seen any indication of them soliciting customers. A couple bars around the city have a girl or two and it's possible they can be bought out. There are also a few street walkers, especially around the Nam Phu (fountain) however, ladyboys greatly outnumber RGs, so be aware if that's not your thing. Friends have told me of visits of brothels in Vientiane. I personally have never done this so can't offer any suggestions other than you have a talk to the local tuktuk men.

 

TIP 4: If a girl comes alongside you on a motorcycle in a street in Vientiane and asks to go back your loom with you then almost certainly that'll be a LB.

 

There's lots of good eating in Vientiane and real easy to find places. Along the riverside road (Fa Ngum Road) there are Lao/Thai/Indian/Mexican/Italian plus general western food, also loads of places selling baguette sandwiches, plus fruit shakes or Beer Lao, or other beers if you prefer.

 

Tasty Lao baguette sandwiches  (Framed).JPG

 

Of particular note is Mr. Lo's restaurant selling the unique Vientiane "Roosting Chicken". Unlike other chicken shops where the fowls are grabbed as they scratch around on the ground and taken away to be killed, with the Vientiane "Roosting Chicken", they wait until after dark when the chickens have entered the henhouses and are fast asleep on their perches, then Mr. Lo grabs the roosting chickens and takes them off to have their throats slit. I have no idea why this is but suspect the "Roosting Chickens" are more relaxed and therefore have more tender flesh.

 

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If you or TGF want to do some shopping (TGF shopping? Does the bear shit in the woods?) There are night market stalls set up along the riverside of Fa Ngum Road, my TGF found many bargains there. Also the Talad Sao (Morning Market) a few blocks away on Avenue Lane Xang. There's the old Talad Sao and a new one next door, I far prefer the old one. From Talad Sao you can clearly see the Patuxay Monument a kilometer or so further on, it's one of Vientiane's most famous landmarks and worth walking up for a closer look. The story goes it was built with money that the USA government gave the Lao government to build an airport Runway, instead the Lao built the monument and so it's sometimes jokingly referred to as "The Vertical Runway".

 

The Patuxay Monument (Framed).JPG

 

If you are looking for a post office to buy stamps and send postcards home then the post office is across the road from Talad Sao. Inside Talad Sao are branches of banks, money changers, a couple restaurants & coffee shops. You can buy all manner of goods/clothes/souvenirs, and there's an OK food court up on the 3rd floor level.

 

On my second day in Vientiane as I walked down a street near That Dam (Black Pagoda) I spied a filthy Lao woman going through a trash can. She wore dirty old shorts and a dirty torn T-shirt, her feet were bare and her legs filthy black with dirt. Obviously she was a homeless woman and had been sleeping on the streets for months, if not years. Nonetheless, as she was bent over the trash can searching through its contents I couldn't help notice that behind that layer of dirt was a fine looking ass and a nice pair of legs. Furthermore, as she stood back from the trash can and walked away I saw that she was not so old, perhaps late 20s, and not bad looking either. I was walking in the same direction as she and a few minutes later she joined up with an equally filthy and raggedy dressed Lao man who had been searching through another set of trash cans. She put her arm affectionately around the man's waist and the pair walked off together.

 

I stood there on the spot watching her cute ass move away and thought to myself...Mate! You are missing out on something here. If that was my gal fucked if I'd be sleeping on the street and rummaging through trash cans. By hook or by crook I'd get my hands on enough money to buy a cake of soap, some fishnet stockings, a pair of short shorts, a skimpy top, some makeup, a razor, a hairbrush. I'd check into a cheapo room and get that bitch into the shower and scrub her cute ass squeaky clean and shave her snatch and shampoo her hair. Then I'd dress her up in the short shorts, top & fishnets, and make her up and brush her hair, put a pretty pink ribbon in her hair. And then escort her ass down to the riverside where she'll soon be getting 500-1000Bt a pop.

 

Vang Vieng is about 150 KMs north of Vientiane, on the same route to Luang Prabang, so if you're heading for LP by bus it makes sense to break the journey for a night or two in VV. We took a van from Vientiane which cost only 40,000 LAK (about 150 Bt) and took just over 3 hours. During the Vietnam War the US developed an Air Force base and Runway at VV that was used by Air America. This airstrip, then called Lima Site 6, remains today. Un-used for years it's situated on the edge of the town center close to the bus station.

 

The old Air America Lima Site 6 at Vang Vieng (Framed).JPG

 

Today the town of VV and the surrounding area is noteworthy because of the impressive limestone karst formations, mountains, caves and the Nam Song river. Until late 2012 it was a hugely popular backpacker mecca, as well known on the SEA backpacker trail as Thailand's Koh Phangan and Khao San Road. However the Lao police had a crackdown on the backpacker haunts and closed the riverside bars. As a result VV today has lost much of its former identity and liveliness; it was rather dead during my visit. The Lao government tourism department seems to be targeting the French geriatric market, old souls who come on nostalgia trips, sit around pretending it's still 1923, spend a shitload of money and go to bed at 9PM. There is some evidence of this already in VV as well as Vientiane, Luang Prabang, and way down south in Pakse.

 

Still for nature lovers and adventure seekers there are many things to do in VV. Tubing the Nam Song river is still popular, along with river kayaking trips. Others go rock climbing up the karst formations, while others explore the caves. Plus some of the local Farang restaurant owners have drawn up maps of walking or cycling trips. If these things interest you then you'll enjoy VV. If they don't then there's not really any reason to stay more than a night or two and soak up the impressive scenery. It's worth heading down close to the Nam Song river to find a hotel. We took a room at the Vilayvong hotel which had a great view of the karst formations from our 3rd floor balcony. Cost was 600Bt a night with AC/cable TV/hot water, no breakfast and the usually shitty wifi.

 

Vang Vieng views from the Vilayvong Hotel (Framed).JPG

 

The karst mountains make a splendid backdrop and VV is noted as one of the most tranquil restful spots in all of SEA. Travelers from around the world rave about spending balmy silent evenings sipping a cold Beer Lao on their balconies. Maybe it's like that for 364 nights a year but the one night we spent at VV there just happened to be a Lao wedding party held in a school ground down the road from my hotel. It wasn't until after I'd checked in that the locals began erecting speaker systems on the stage that soon resembled a Black Sabbath concert. All through the night until it finally fell silent around 2AM we were treated to the ear-splitting sounds of locals taking turns toasting the bride and groom and singing their hearts out. Fortunately I'd had a few beers that evening so by the time I hit the bed I was able to half sleep through the worst of it.

 

Sunset over the hills at Vang Vieng (Framed).JPG

 

Earlier that evening we walked around the main bar area of VV, most of which is down by the river. At night with all the colored lights strung up it reminded me of many beach spots in Thailand, sort of like parts Samui or Krabi without the sea. Another glaring difference between these Lao bars and the Thailand bars is the noticeable absence of girls. Nearly every bar I walked past or sat in had young Lao men behind the bar. Where there were girls working in bars I got the feeling they were either GFs/wives or sisters of the Lao guys who were never far away. Same goes for the numerous massage shops at VV, the girls sitting out front to attract customers but their guys also sitting nearby, maybe inside the shops or next to the girls, you even see their babies and little kids hanging around too. So it seems highly unlikely happy ending massages are on offer.

 

Another interesting observation I made with these Lao bars is although they are almost entirely staffed by Lao men I've never in more than a dozen visits over the past decade ever seen fights break out between Lao and Farang or even overheard an argument. You see Farang sitting drinking with Lao bar staff, playing pool together, talking and laughing together. Never once seen any agro. A vastly different situation to Thailand where over the years I've witnessed countless fights, some of them downright vicious, and overheard countless heated arguments.

 

Luang Prabang lies another 220 KM further north of VV and is one of the nicest spots in SEA. I didn't go there this trip but have been there 3 times in the past. I did a detailed TR a couple years ago for another travel forum, so if there's positive feedback to this TR I can repost that LP TR here. Unfortunately in Lao there are not really that many places of great interest and the few places of interest are well away from each other leaving you to make long bus trips on poor condition winding roads, or take expensive flights. In this respect Lao reminds me a bit of a scaled down version of Australia, where there are several sites of immense interest to tourists, such as Kakadu and Ayer's Rock and the Great Barrier Reef, but a bloody long way to go from one to the other.

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Steven B'stard

Very informative,  have always wanted to go up there to do the water tubing / rafting, although time and age may be catching up with me. 

 

Nice report.

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roderick

Sly Fox thanks for a great report. By the way, what exactly is a lolipop- as in the variety you mention somewhere in the bowels of your TR  !!!

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The Sly Fox

Sly Fox thanks for a great report. By the way, what exactly is a lolipop- as in the variety you mention somewhere in the bowels of your TR  !!!

LOL...Aussie slang for a BJ, in that gay steam room I sat watching Lao guys sucking each other off...LOL

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jerry

Good info .

 

I think the visa is 1500Bht when you don't have $US , at least that's what i paid a few weeks ago .

100Bht for a tuk tuk and 200 for an aircon taxi . Just say no to the first 3 and number 4 will take you for this money .

 

The mongering scene in BPY is not that much anymore compared to a few years ago . Nice town though with some

good restaurants to spend a few days .

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The Sly Fox

Good info .

 

I think the visa is 1500Bht when you don't have $US , at least that's what i paid a few weeks ago .

100Bht for a tuk tuk and 200 for an aircon taxi . Just say no to the first 3 and number 4 will take you for this money .

 

The mongering scene in BPY is not that much anymore compared to a few years ago . Nice town though with some

good restaurants to spend a few days .

Maybe the difference due to nationality, two Brits I sat with paid 2000 THB as they didn't have USD. I paid $USD 35. At 2000 THB it's close to double, so well worth buying up some USD in advance.

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flynn

Great information, it will help me a lot, I was thinking of booking the elephant crossing in vv, haven't decided to fly direct from Vientiane to Bkk, or is it a hassle to get to udon Thani to catch a cheaper flight, cheers for putting the tr together

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jerry

Great information, it will help me a lot, I was thinking of booking the elephant crossing in vv, haven't decided to fly direct from Vientiane to Bkk, or is it a hassle to get to udon Thani to catch a cheaper flight, cheers for putting the tr together

 

Flights from Vientiane to BKK are very expensive . Better take a tuk tuk or taxi to the border and a minibus to Udon and fly from there .

It's pretty straight forward .

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Great information, it will help me a lot, I was thinking of booking the elephant crossing in vv, haven't decided to fly direct from Vientiane to Bkk, or is it a hassle to get to udon Thani to catch a cheaper flight, cheers for putting the tr together

 

You can fly direct Vientiane to BKK.But I don't know about it as I always go by land.

 

It's easy enough to get to Udon Thani as well, that's what I did, booked the night before, cost 250Bt, a van picked me up at hotel in morning and took us to the bus station at the rear of Talad Sao. Then we got on a big AC tour bus, over the bridge, and down to Udon. It was fast and comfortable. Very easy to find tour agents in Vientiane to get all the info and make bookings.

 

From Udon there are flights to BKK - both Swampy & DM. Also Air Asia direct flights to Phuket and Chiang Mai.

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mr21

An outstanding TR with useful info and nice pics. I will bookmark this thread and use it as a reference when I plan my first trip to Laos. Thank you for the effort you took in putting this together - greatly appreciated. I would be interested in reading your TR to Luang Prabang if you post here on PA

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Thank you very much for your kind words of encouragement mr21. I'll dig out the LP TR soon and post it here.

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flynn

booked a direct flight from Vientiane to bkk with thai airways $150, probley have a hangover, so couldn't be bothered with the trip to udon,

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am heading to laos maybe friday or monday. just depends. I have been 2 times before one time was just to go across then straight back. and another time i wasted a whole afternoon and a heap of baht taking the tgf's family around to temples they have probably been too 1000 times.

 

This time the tgf does not want to go due to us fighting last time (i wanted to stay for a few nights but she invited 5 family members who only wanted to stay for the day). I'll have to chase up a few bars down there. interesting what you say about the mongering scene there. in the town I live in which borders the mekong river there is at least 40 lao girls "working" here and to be honest i think many are prettier then their thai cousins.

 

Hopefully i'll be able to put my own kinda report up with some pics of the girls. I usually go pretty hard when i get time to myself so i hope there's a 3some or 3 available.

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am heading to laos maybe friday or monday. just depends. I have been 2 times before one time was just to go across then straight back. and another time i wasted a whole afternoon and a heap of baht taking the tgf's family around to temples they have probably been too 1000 times.

 

This time the tgf does not want to go due to us fighting last time (i wanted to stay for a few nights but she invited 5 family members who only wanted to stay for the day). I'll have to chase up a few bars down there. interesting what you say about the mongering scene there. in the town I live in which borders the mekong river there is at least 40 lao girls "working" here and to be honest i think many are prettier then their thai cousins.

 

Hopefully i'll be able to put my own kinda report up with some pics of the girls. I usually go pretty hard when i get time to myself so i hope there's a 3some or 3 available.

And there'll be tons more after the ASEAN thing kicks in. Which river town are you living in mate?

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I'm in Bueng kan which is the most northern town in issan almost 2 hours from nongkhai. 

 

All the working girls i have met here are from laos. but speak pretty much no english.

 

i'm thinking of riding my bike down there. hopefully can find a safe place to park it. hate waiting for buses and stuff from here.

 

And yes from what i recall it was 1500 baht to cross as i didn't have american money. I think in 2011 i paid 1200 baht. This time i'll change some baht to american dollars before i leave. these little scams they sting ya for all over the place really shit me. reading things like this helps you prepare. i guarantee he'll try tell me 1500 baht but i'll show him the american money. save myself 3 or 400 baht before the next set of scammers on other side try charge a fortune for a taxi lol. 

 

My mate just said try share it with others and pay 100baht each

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I know Bueng Kan well, been there numerous times, always stay at The One hotel and eat/drink at different riverside restaurants.

 

Lao visa fees vary depending on nationality. I know Aussie passport is $30USD and UK passport is $35USD.

 

On my last trip over FB in February this year I was talking with a couple British while waiting for VOA to be issued, and they told me they were charged 2000THB. Had they got USD in advance they would have saved around 900THB. If Aussies get charged 1500THB then you can save around 600THB by paying the VOA fee in USD.

 

In the past I've got USD from banks in NK, also Mutt Mee Guesthouse. There's also a money changer in Tha Sadet market.

 

If you really want to save some money on the ride from FB into Vientiane just walk past those taxi touts outside the Immigration building and in the car park to the right you'll see a bus, it'll take you to Talad Sao and costs very little.

 

I probably be in Bueng Kan again in a couple of months, I'll PM you and we can meet up for a few beers.

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No problems. I may or may not still be here. I really like it here but yeah being "single" i do get a little bored at times. Trying to find some work around that will keep me a little bit busy so whether that's hear or elsewhere in thailand who knows.

 

i remember when i first came here the one hotel and tesco was not there. this was in late july 2011. by december it was all open. built so fast considering the size etc of both places.

 

Also a new club that opened which is similar to lucifer. but in thai style where they have a thai band that play inbetween some western dance music. It's more of the high end kinda place i been about 4 times now and rare the girls will look at you. I won a free bottle of whisky last time because it was my birthday. I was in no condition to receive anymore booze but TiT lol.

 

but if you do come up here and i'm here i'll show you some underground places and you wouldn't know existed here. if you speak thai well you will do well with these girls.

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EMS 1

Great trip report.

 

I am in Luang Prabang (Northern Laos - second largest city) now with my TGF. Scorching hot during the days. Interesting country culturally, very, very poor, you won't find any chain restaurants or 7 Elevens here. The Laos people are very friendly, feel totally safe walking around the city at any time, most holiday related items; hotel, food, tours, etc are cheaper then Thailand. Today we went on a jungle trek - down the Mekong in a long-tail boat, hiking in the mountains and exploring caves, elephant trek through a dense jungle and ended the day swimming under a series of very beautiful waterfalls. 1,150 baht per person including hotel pick-up and lunch !!!

 

P.S. I bought some Laos whiskey with a cobra snake in the bottle. I hope I am still able to see in the morning !!!

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Great trip report.

 

I am in Luang Prabang (Northern Laos - second largest city) now with my TGF. Scorching hot during the days. Interesting country culturally, very, very poor, you won't find any chain restaurants or 7 Elevens here. The Laos people are very friendly, feel totally safe walking around the city at any time, most holiday related items; hotel, food, tours, etc are cheaper then Thailand. Today we went on a jungle trek - down the Mekong in a long-tail boat, hiking in the mountains and exploring caves, elephant trek through a dense jungle and ended the day swimming under a series of very beautiful waterfalls. 1,150 baht per person including hotel pick-up and lunch !!!

 

P.S. I bought some Laos whiskey with a cobra snake in the bottle. I hope I am still able to see in the morning !!!

How you feeling after that Lao-Lao?

 

Yes, LP is a nice spot, it's also fun to do the boat trip on Mekhong, from LP to ChiangRai (upstream) or the other way. Some great scenery on that trip. I've done the Pak Ou cave trip from LP, that's interesting, didn't bother with the waterfalls as I've seen loads of them already in Thailand.

 

Are there many tourists in LP at the moment? I know last trip there it was getting very "yuppie" with sidewalk cafes and upmarket "boutique" hotels.

Love that night market in LP, so pretty to walk through and see everything. There's a similar night market now in Vientiane, but from memory the one at LP is more enchanting. We found some good value places to eat and drink in the night market, I hope they're still around.

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How you feeling after that Lao-Lao?

 

Yes, LP is a nice spot, it's also fun to do the boat trip on Mekhong, from LP to ChiangRai (upstream) or the other way. Some great scenery on that trip. I've done the Pak Ou cave trip from LP, that's interesting, didn't bother with the waterfalls as I've seen loads of them already in Thailand.

 

Are there many tourists in LP at the moment? I know last trip there it was getting very "yuppie" with sidewalk cafes and upmarket "boutique" hotels.

Love that night market in LP, so pretty to walk through and see everything. There's a similar night market now in Vientiane, but from memory the one at LP is more enchanting. We found some good value places to eat and drink in the night market, I hope they're still around.

I still can see after drinking the Laos cobra whiskey !!! Lots of young Western European backpacking couples in LP right now. The night market is still going strong and you are right, the best food for value.

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Big Casino

Good trip report, visited myself a few years ago, shame you hadn,t been before aS would have  saved me asking for a photo and a pen plus catching the crowded bus over as didnt realise taxis had special permits to cross.

Anyway another good watering hole is the spirit house on the banks of the Mekong, bit of a mecca for backpackers.

 

 

Big C

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kantutero

was in Vang Vieng about 8 years ago and it was full on, including a disco with a few available girls and Amsterdam style cafes where they served hash, mushrooms and smoothies while playing reruns of old tv series. The riverside bars were a blast but the dangers were there from the start and it look little prescience to realize their would be incidents that ended the riverside bachanaal. . Even then there were undercover cops on the river and in bushes with binoculars looking for people smoking weed by the river. Fines ranged from 300-500 USD I was told and only the cafes were like a sanctuary. Bummer they had no swingers club set up! 

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was in Vang Vieng about 8 years ago and it was full on, including a disco with a few available girls and Amsterdam style cafes where they served hash, mushrooms and smoothies while playing reruns of old tv series. The riverside bars were a blast but the dangers were there from the start and it look little prescience to realize their would be incidents that ended the riverside bachanaal. . Even then there were undercover cops on the river and in bushes with binoculars looking for people smoking weed by the river. Fines ranged from 300-500 USD I was told and only the cafes were like a sanctuary. Bummer they had no swingers club set up! 

Reruns...lol...Friends. VV is world famous for watching Friends. Yes, I first went there some years ago and saw it like you describe. It was all being cleaned up when I made that last trip.

 

last night I was drinking in soi Chaiyaphum and looking over into the Triangle bar and thinking it reminds me of BPY in Vientiane. Of course Triangle is not up 4 flights of stairs but the layout and lighting and general ambiance made me thing of BPY.

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SLEUTH

Must of missed this one SF

 

Cracking informative TR with great pictures!

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The Sly Fox

Must of missed this one SF

 

Cracking informative TR with great pictures!

Thanks very much SLEUTH, I appreciate your compliment.

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